eleanor Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 [QUOTE=Sara][color=#b0000b][size=1] The fact is, no matter what [i]does[/i] happen with Saddam Hussein, his punishment will never ([i]can[/i] never) be equal to the magnitude of his actions. So what is the goal at this point in time? Are we trying to exact revenge on him, or are we trying to finally put an end to a long, painful story? [/size][/color][/QUOTE] [color=dimgray] I feel silly saying 'revenge', seeing as Sadam never really did anything to us, but drawing out Hussein's death would be ridiculous. People over 70 in Iraq aren't allowed to be sentenced to death, and since Hussein turns 70 in April of next year they should probably get a move on. I doubt it'll prolong until spring of 2007, though.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 [quote name='Starwind']The only travisty to justice in this case was the fact that it took so long to find him guilty. Anyone who's kept tabs on the news, knows that this has further divided the nation and that things are only going to get worse unfortunatly.[/quote] [SIZE=1]Oh yeah, because you know most war-crimes tribunals that are carried out by the U.N. itself in the Hague tend to take less than a week to condemn someone of being guilty of crimes against humanity. Be realistic here, Saddam's trial has been rigged from day one, his lawyers are even protesting the fact that the Iraqi government have themselves interfered with the trial. If people want to see real justice done here, and not some petty PR stunt that will be forgotten in five years time, send Saddam to the Hague and allow him to received a just trial like anyone deserves. Just because he has denied these rights to others does not automatically mean we can take the moral high-ground and deny him the right to a fair trial.[/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchen Sink Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 [QUOTE=Gavin][size=1] If people want to see real justice done here, and not some petty PR stunt that will be forgotten in five years time, send Saddam to the Hague and allow him to received a just trial like anyone deserves. Just because he has denied these rights to others does not automatically mean we can take the moral high-ground and deny him the right to a fair trial.[/size][/QUOTE]Indeed. The Iraqi trial was farcical and a downright joke. Saddam's trial didn't serve any real justice, it was more like a state sanctioned lynch mob. The real surprise here is that anyone can think it was anything but. In the end, all Iraqis got was lynch mob justice, accentuated by the fact that nearly everyone who decided to stand for Saddam and give him a fair trial were murdered by the death-to-Saddam zealots. Oh, by the way, taking the moral high ground in this sense would be giving him a fair trial. "Mr. Saddam, you gave none of your dissenters a fair trial, but we're taking the moral high ground here, you'll be tried in the Hague by the international community!" In the end, even the Nazi's were given better treatment with regards to their war crimes trials. That speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 [QUOTE=Kitchen Sink] In the end, even the Nazi's were given better treatment with regards to their war crimes trials. That speaks volumes.[/QUOTE] I dunno...just about everyone hated the Nazis then. They killed even more people, and Hitler was crazier than Hussein. I've heard of some famous Nazi mass murderer-generals being caught living in America in the 80s. Those did seem pretty fair(I saw it on Unsolved Mysteries, so I probably don't know the half of it). But then if Hitler would've been caught, I'd bet that the trial would be much further from "fair" than Hussein's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 [quote name='Box']I dunno...just about everyone hated the Nazis then. They killed even more people, and Hitler was crazier than Hussein. I've heard of some famous Nazi mass murderer-generals being caught living in America in the 80s. Those did seem pretty fair(I saw it on Unsolved Mysteries, so I probably don't know the half of it). But then if Hitler would've been caught, I'd bet that the trial would be much further from "fair" than Hussein's.[/quote] [SIZE=1]Little known fact, Hitler would have gotten away with his Third Reich had be not been stupid enough to invade Poland. As for Nazis living out past Nuremberg, that's true, although at this stage any survivors will be in their late 80s now, though given Europe's total abandonment of the death penalty, I think they're safe from the hangman. In regard to Hitler, he did himself a favour by committing suicide, they'd probably have filleted him rather than just hanging him.[/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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