Money- Root to all Evil?

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]Humans in general have problems with being content with what they have materialistically. This is especially problematic in modern, vibrant, capitalistic societies where you are, more or less, constantly assaulted by what is 'newer', 'better' and more stylish than what you currently have. I doubt any major company wants you to be fully content with yourself- they want you to go out and buy their newest product, whatever it may be and bombard you with how affordable it is to do so.

Evil is a pretty vague and strong word. Saying that it's the root of all Evil is a step up from that. Certainly it's problematic- conspicuous consumption is like a disease in America and I'm sure it's just as prevalent in other countries with a high standard of living. I agree with others here- 'evil' can be traced back to humans. Not because of the creation and development of money/modern economics (which wasn't really evil but certainly convoluted), but because humans are just flawed creatures and can be easily captivated in the pursuit of their own happiness.

Some people want money to lead them to Arcadia and I doubt it can. Luxuries make life more comfortable, they amuse and delight but they cannot really make your life constantly fulfilled and happy.

It takes more than just items and things to do that.

Oh yeah, btw, you guys can come over to my house and play my X-Box 360. Even Yahweh, the "source of all happiness", is invited to do a little Gears of War or Dead Rising.

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[Chiyasha]

[QUOTE=Bláse][size=1][color=slategray]I lost track of what everyone was talking about.

Anyway. Money, the root of wickedness? Nonsense.
I'm a gold digger in training, so I may be slightly biased... but I think that money is a solid foundation to everything. It gets you what you want, when you want it. If you have a handful of cash, you can be anything you want.
Besides, who ever said money can't buy love and happiness? That's some BS they are feeding you so you grow up with "morals." You want love? Go pick up a hooker. Money sure does buy you some time with those foxy ladies. Or men. Whatever floats your boat..[/color][/size][/QUOTE]


Oh yeah, money should be a solid foundation to everything. But after I've read various opinions and criticisms in this discussion, I guess money can give me happiness... in a materialistic way. Money ain't evil because it's an object with no force (good / evil) and it's a thing to encourage fairness in trading. Oh yes, I am trying to answer Allamorph's q:

[quote name='Allamorph][FONT=Arial']Okay, here I?m going to refer you back to my first post. If man invented money to avoid stealing (and other crimes), then why are we still faced with the existence of stealing (and other crimes?[/FONT][/quote]

Hmm, I guess now money is to be seen as a demanding thing and people would do anything to get money, good or evil ways. Apart from encouraging fairness in trading (and other legal matters), money encourages people to steal (or to attempt crimes) instead of avoiding people from stealing (or from attempting crimes i.e paid crime act). Maybe money is the bridge to existing possibilities... especially bad possibilities. Please criticise if you don't find my answer unsatisfying.

[quote name='Bláse][size=1][color=slategray]Worried about being evil? Well, if it's a sin, sins are forgiven... so whip that wallet out and do whatever you damn please.[/color'][/size][/quote]

Of course God won't hate people who abuse the use of money because in my opinion, God created humans for them to learn to deal with the situations in order to put life at ease, regardless of beliefs (religious or custom). Praying isn't the only thing to do, we need to work to live and to have a happy life. So then, with the existence of money, it's up to us to use 'em (heh, we know ourselves that we fall easily when it comes to be offered with money. X_x).

Today might be the last day for you guys to speak out your opinions/criticisms here!

Before I go, I would like to thank you guys: Sara, Allamorph, The 13th Man, Hanabishi Recca, Box, Blase, DeathKnight, dranixe, Darktactic, Aaryanna, captain linda, thepinkprincess, vegeta rocker, indifference, Box, black rurouni, neomonkey, Demoness Satoe, James and Kurayami Oji! Thanks for speak out for this discussion! Appreciated! ^_^

[Hanabishi Recca]

[quote name='Chiyasha']It's true that money cannot buy 'real' happiness but to me, money CAN![/quote]

So, you are saying that money can't, but it can for you? Thats stupid. Maybe you could use english so someone can understand that statement!

Maybe you can get your facts together also.

Chiyasha.. you say that the Catholics back then were prosperious? Maybe so. What does that have to do with this though? If you really want to say that Christians are prosperious then look at them today. I'm not talking about the ones that don't know who they are in Christ and just sit back there doing nothing - never taking action. Look at the ones that want to move higher.

I see alot (I'm not kidding) of Christians that don't really want money because then they think they are doing evil. But, as said before, money isn't evil. Its you don't wrong with money. Money in these ladder days can cause alot of evil. It can even buy people. It can buy fornication, death, and other really bad things. Did you know that you can even rob God by not giving tithe? I bet everyone here has heard that at least once. But it you love money so much that you can't even give God any, then you are robbing God.

If you bribe someone, then that is an example of money being used ignorantly (and its wrong on your part). Its when you love money that you are doing wrong. Of course if you decieve someone with money thats wrong too. But its not the money thats evil, its your actions and emotions.

Thanks for your time, and wish me a happy birthday =D

Dae

[The13thMan]

[QUOTE=Allamorph][FONT=Arial]Oh, wow. Looks like I?ve got some catching up to do. First, clarification time.

[FONT=Arial]Ehh, actually, you mean [U]contradictory[/U]. You seem to know, from your following post, how to demonstrate a hypocrite, but a hypocrite by definition is a person whose [I]actions[/I] are in opposition to their stated beliefs. What I said was not inconsistent from what I believe, it was inconsistent with what [I]you[/I] believe.[/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Ok, i'm a bit tired right now. I stayed up late last night finishing an essay. So i'm not all here right now. But i'll try to explain as best i can.

In my head you're still a bit hypocritical, though it's hard to explain what i mean as i don't think you quite understand. You said the love of money is the root of evil and to make that statement you....urrrrgggh, i can't think. Maybe you're right? ::scratches head::

If you're contradictory you're often times also hypocritical. Aren't those words synonymous? ::shrug:: It doesn't matter, it's an irrelovant tangent to this argument, lets not go any further in it.
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Love ? the action ? is [I]what[/I] we actually feel towards some object, whether it be siblings, parents, boy/girlfriends, husbands/wives, pets, ourselves, or inanimate objects, and in spite of the fact that said object may not be able to return that love. As a feeling, or dormant action if you will, love can (please note: not does, [B]can[/B]) breed covetousness, lust, greed, anger, despair, and a myriad of other sinful emotions and thoughts. And yes, despair, along with depression (not necessarily hormonal, mind you) are counted as sins. That has an explanation and proof, but they have no place or bearing in this thread. As an outward action, love can beget hoarding, murder, bribery, blackmail ? again, the list can go on. This is what the proverb is referring to. Does that help?[/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I didn't really need help understanding the "love of money is the root of evil" proverb. I pretty much get it.

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[QUOTE=Allamorph]
Oh, and in regard to your metaphor, there, I think you either misunderstood the original ?root? metaphor or else just decided to twist it to your purposes. I?m a good guy, so I?ll assume the former.

The dirt has absolutely nothing to do with the root metaphor; it?s simply the surrounding environment. As for the root itself, you seem to be thinking of [I]any[/I] root, while, taken in context (again with the context), the word ?taproot? would help elucidate a few things. I know that is not what the proverb uses, but the meaning of ?root? there is ?source?, and ?taproot? proffers that image readily. Have you eve tried to get rid of those pesky dandelion weeds (or any weeds ? spearmint, for that matter) in your yard? Actually, I think I [U]will[/U] use spearmint plants here. My mother started growing spearmint plants in our front garden a few summers ago. Interestingly enough, spearmint seems to thrive in our soil; at one count, I totaled over 220 different sprouts, and all in a little under 70 square feet, which is a pretty small area. We attempted to pull them out once, but it didn?t work. What I discovered pulling up the hordes of little things was that there were generally ten to thirteen spearmint shoots on one root, and the root that I?d pulled up had severed somewhere underground. This meant that the parent root, or taproot, was still entrenched down there, capable of producing more plants. Which it did.[/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I don't believe i misunderstood the metaphor. Though if the root was originally a tree root or not, i don't know. I just made it into one for simplicity's sake. To say it's a root means that there are a things that branch off from it as a direct and indirect result. And the dirt thing was sorta just me kidding around. Though i do like the dirt being the environment, that works.

Not exactly sure what a taproot is. Is it like a main root or something? Is it the omega root!? o_o

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[QUOTE=Allamorph]
The point of that blithering was to illustrate the whole ?source? point. The evil ?grows? outward from the ?root?, the (action) love of money. Direction is irrelevant. Up, down, sideways, above ground, in the dirt, it doesn?t matter. The point is that evil originates from the love of money, which is a [I]human[/I] action. True, it is man that makes the choice to love money, but man also possesses the ability to choose otherwise; the evil is rooted in the chosen action.[/FONT][/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I don't really think evil originates from the love of money. I think you can go much further to find the origin. I see the love of money more as a branch while the "taproot" is something more like....free will, man, or God/Satan. Here's a rough draft of the root i have in mind:

God-man-free will-chioce between good and bad-the choice to do bad or lie-evil stuff

Or without religion:

Man-free will-the action of choosing evil

That's just how i see it.
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[QUOTE=Allamorph]
[FONT=Arial][B]Warning! Sermon Ahead.[/B]
You know what happiness I am going to tell to you. It sounds trite, it sounds cheesy, it sounds overused, but it?s still true. Absolute happiness, along with contentment, peace, joy, etc., comes from one source. God (aka YHWH, The I Am), and his Son Jesus Christ, the Messiah. Know Him (Him meaning the Trinity here ? a paradox to us), believe that Christ?s innocent death paid for your sin and accept that payment, and you will know these that I have listed. [B][I][U]Now[/U][/I][/B], with that said, I am not here to force that off on any of you who read this. This is only my statement of the truth. You may disagree, you may condemn me, but I [I][B]will not[/B][/I] interfere with your choice to do so. Believe what you will, find your own answers. That ability was given to you and is yours to exercise, and I have no right to interfere.

Okay, the sermon?s over.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Thank God. Actually...i'm agnostic, so thank god if he exists. @_@

^L^
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[QUOTE=Allamorph]
[FONT=Arial]Maybe so. However, you failed to produce any competing options, so I cannot agree with you, nor can I disagree. Give me something to work with. Or did you just object to my saying ?absolute?? If so, I will defend my statement to the death, for there are such things as absolutes.[/FONT][/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Yeah, i just objected to you saying absolute.

I actually smiled when you said you'd defend it to the death. That's one thing i often enjoy arguing about, the existance of absolutes. Though usually this can turn into a religious debate very quickly...and those never go anywhere. It's always, god exists, no he doesn't....and so forth. So we can argue it or not, i'll let you make the call.
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[QUOTE=Allamorph]
[FONT=Arial]Okay, here I?m going to refer you back to my first post. If man invented money to avoid stealing (and other crimes), then why are we still faced with the existence of stealing (and other crimes?[/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I actually thought that same exact thing when i read his statement. I guess i didn't actually post those thoughts though, so you beat me to it. But yeah, i agree.
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[QUOTE=Allamorph]
[FONT=Arial]Oooh, dangerous statement there, buddy. Free will and choice go hand in hand. Without one, we lose the other. Also, as I stated above, free will is [I]not[/I] the root, it only presents the option. (BTW, why the ?So there?? There?s no need for anger here?.)[/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I know free will and choice go hand in hand, that's what i said. I don't really understand what the disagreement is over this.

I think maybe we don't have the same definition for the word "root". When i think of it i think the origin that leads to whatever we're talking about, in this case an evil action. That's why i wouldn't really consider the love of money as the root of evil, cuz i think you can go further than that.

Hah, i wasn't angry! I even put the little smiley face thingy after i said that! The "^L^". It was sorta like a childish so there, it was meant to be humorous. Ah, but i guess that's harder to catch on a message board. Oh well.

I don't feel like i did a really good job explaining myself in this post, but i really don't have time to go any further right now, so i'll leave it at that.

Later.
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[Darktactic]

[quote]
Originally Posted by [B]Allamorph[/B]
[FONT=Arial]Although this sounds stupid, what about household trash cans? What about when I buy clothing for a homeless man? What about when I donate money to help my town?s high school band buy instruments? Don?t be so pessimistic.[/FONT][/QUOTE]

Those are things that technically aren't good or bad (to me). There are many ways to look at them individually. Trash cans can been seen as evil (For example, because they represent technology and you're a Luddite), and so can anything else. Facts can be interpreted in various ways, even altering the fact itself you might argue by changing the nature in which it is perceived. Is the glass half full or half empty? It's just a matter of preference.

[inactive]

[QUOTE=Bláse][size=1][color=slategray]I lost track of what everyone was talking about.

Anyway. Money, the root of wickedness? Nonsense.
I'm a gold digger in training, so I may be slightly biased... but I think that money is a solid foundation to everything. It gets you what you want, when you want it. If you have a handful of cash, you can be anything you want.
Besides, who ever said money can't buy love and happiness? That's some BS they are feeding you so you grow up with "morals." You want love? Go pick up a hooker. Money sure does buy you some time with those foxy ladies. Or men. Whatever floats your boat.

Worried about being evil? Well, if it's a sin, sins are forgiven... so whip that wallet out and do whatever you damn please.[/color][/size][/QUOTE]

Wow. I find this post tremendously disturbing. I've been following this discussion for some time now, but I haven't actually posted anything because I don't generally care to express my opinions... Especially in intense debates like this one. :animeswea

So you think people shouldn't have morals? You think people can be evil because sins are forgiven? Well buddy, if everybody thought that way, people like Hitler would be ruling the world, committing horrendous sins, making life a living hell, all the while thinking "It's okay--I'll be forgiven".

You REALLY think that money can buy love and happiness? Just "go pick up a hooker" you say. Do you REALLY believe that that's love?!? There's a HUGE difference between love and sex. The best things in life are free. Money can't buy you happiness, and it certainly can't buy you love. Material posessions don't give you happiness either. That's just greed, and that doesn't lead to anything good.

Why are you trying to defend greed? Why are you trying to defend EVIL?

I REALLY hope you don't plan on living your life by this standard, or with this logic, because it isn't at all a good thing.

:animeangr Argghh... I just had to get that off my chest.

[inactive]

[QUOTE=Bláse][size=1][color=slategray]*looks at the post above*

Apparently no one can handle sarcasm anymore.

Pity.[/color][/size][/QUOTE]
Gah! You were being sarcastic? I'm so sorry! But there was really no way for me to know! I feel so bad. :animedepr

I guess I just got a little worked up. I actually DID think you were serious though. :animeswea

[The13thMan]

[QUOTE=Bláse][size=1][color=slategray]*looks at the post above*

Apparently no one can handle sarcasm anymore.

Pity.[/color][/size][/QUOTE]
[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Hey bud, it's hard as hell to tell a sarcastic comment from a serious one on a message board. It's all text, baby. And the only way people can know are with the hints you give 'em. Also if somebody knows you from being sarcastic in previous posts. A little "jk" at the end of a sarcastic comment does wonders, though it's not the most graceful. This is all from experience, too often have people not caught my sarcasm. :animeswea

Anyways, just be careful. ^L^


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[Sangome]

[QUOTE=The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Hey bud, it's hard as hell to tell a sarcastic comment from a serious one on a message board. It's all text, baby. And the only way people can know are with the hints you give 'em. Also if somebody knows you from being sarcastic in previous posts. A little "jk" at the end of a sarcastic comment does wonders, though it's not the most graceful. This is all from experience, too often have people not caught my sarcasm. :animeswea

Anyways, just be careful. ^L^


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[size=1]A more "graceful" method outside the "j/k" bit is also the sarcasm tag, which goes something like this -

zOMG!! HIZ TEH BEST EVAR YA?![/sarcasm]

Y'know, for future reference. =) Just incase "j/k" doesn't work for you. I've needed both alot though, believe you me, especially on messages.

Now let's veer back on topic, shall we? >o[/size]

[Ol' Fighter]

Money, money, money, I must say I'm sorry for this but I hate money it's a key element on why people do the corrupted things they do and I believe if we had something other than money I don't know what things could be a liitle different.

On the other hand(I'm about to contradict myself)I believe its the greedyheartedness of people that makes money seem bad when it's actually just a object that people view as a outlet to power.

"Feel the magic spores as they sprinkle on your face".

[Darktactic]

[QUOTE=The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Hey bud, it's hard as hell to tell a sarcastic comment from a serious one on a message board. It's all text, baby. And the only way people can know are with the hints you give 'em. Also if somebody knows you from being sarcastic in previous posts. A little "jk" at the end of a sarcastic comment does wonders, though it's not the most graceful. This is all from experience, too often have people not caught my sarcasm. :animeswea

Anyways, just be careful. ^L^


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Sometimes it's just easier to put "Beware, I'm a frequent user of sarcasm and satire." in your signature. Tends to clear things up. I don't really like using "j/k" because it sounds almost as if you're retracting your statement. Expressions are practically made for sarcasm :rolleyes:.

[Allamorph]

[FONT=Arial]Sorry. I?ve been out for a couple of days and seem to have fallen heavily behind in this discussion.

*reads all posts*
*blinks a few times, bewildered*

Okay, so [B]Bláse[/B], I would love to address a couple of the things in your first post, but?well?honestly, I am stymied. What exactly were you sarcasm-ing and what was serious? Please help me out here; I do [I]so[/I] hate it when my eyebrow twitches.[/FONT]
[quote name='Chiyasha'] Hmm, I guess now money is to be seen as a demanding thing and people would do anything to get money, good or evil ways. Apart from encouraging fairness in trading (and other legal matters), money encourages people to steal (or to attempt crimes) instead of avoiding people from stealing (or from attempting crimes i.e paid crime act). Maybe money is the bridge to existing possibilities... especially bad possibilities.[/quote]
[FONT=Arial]Well, my point was that money is simply the catalyst for the evil, one which other items could be substituted for, though not quite as universally, since. As you so adroitly pointed out, money can be used to procure a whole bunch o? crap, for lack of (or in spite of) a better term.

That money is a bridge to existing possibilities I will wholeheartedly agree with.[/FONT]
[quote name='Chiyasha'] Of course God won't hate people who abuse the use of money because in my opinion, God created humans for them to learn to deal with the situations in order to put life at ease, regardless of beliefs (religious or custom). Praying isn't the only thing to do, we need to work to live and to have a happy life. So then, with the existence of money, it's up to us to use 'em (heh, we know ourselves that we fall easily when it comes to be offered with money. X_x).[/quote]
[FONT=Arial]No, He won?t. But then, He doesn?t hate anyone ? He created everyone, after all. What He hates is [I]sin[/I], since He is holy and without it. Unfortunately, that is [I]also[/I] a subject for another discussion, so I shall leave it be. (Jays, I can?t say [I]anything[/I] without opening up more worm cans. Ah, well. So be it.)

I would like to address the reason for our creation, but I am unsatisfied with my own argument. It has too many spaces left for questions that would be easier to answer succinctly in one post, rather than having me get muddled over and over again. I agree with everything else you said, though ?need? may not be the [U]absolute[/U] best word to use there. (Oops, I did it again.) We are not [I]required[/I] to do good after salvation, but at the same time it behooves us to. And, not doing so would be , to borrow the words of Cpt. Jack Sparrow, ??unbelievably stupid.? It all depends on whether we wish to reflect our God to the rest of the world or to sully His name. The latter of which, sadly, happens a great deal of the time.

Oh, and I am terribly sorry that you might be leaving. [I]Quietis exsisto in vobis, Amicus. [/I]

[B]Hanibishi Recca[/B], that was most uncalled for. Even though you made some good points, your initial choice of words was extremely derisive and therefore your statements were tainted. I am disappointed and ashamed. Also, raising the Catholic issue was actually a very understandable question, else I would not have taken time to answer it. As far as those Christians who never take action, that is a demonstration of complacency, which can lead to apathy and slothfulness. Focusing only on the ambitious ones might not have been the best tactic to take.

Happy birthday. (^_^)[/FONT]
[quote name='The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic] If you're contradictory you're often times also hypocritical. Aren't those words synonymous? ::shrug:: It doesn't matter, it's an irrelovant tangent to this argument, lets not go any further in it.[/FONT'][/COLOR][/quote]
[FONT=Arial]Yes, you are. No, they aren?t. I agree. Subject dropped as irrelevant.[/FONT]
[quote name='The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic] Not exactly sure what a taproot is. Is it like a main root or something? Is it the omega root!? o_o[/FONT'][/COLOR][/quote]
[quote name='Allamorph][FONT=Arial']The point of that blithering was to illustrate the whole ?source? point.[/FONT][/quote]
[FONT=Arial]A taproot is the root that the rest of the plant grows from. ?Nuff said. As to your outline, I?m going to save that one for a later post because it will exhaust me.[/FONT]
[quote name='The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Thank God. Actually?i?m agnostic?.[/FONT'][/COLOR][/quote]
[FONT=Arial]Heh. I thought you?d say that.[/FONT]
[QUOTE=The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Yeah, i just objected to you saying absolute.

I actually smiled when you said you'd defend it to the death. That's one thing i often enjoy arguing about, the existance of absolutes. Though usually this can turn into a religious debate very quickly...and those never go anywhere. It's always, god exists, no he doesn't....and so forth. So we can argue it or not, i'll let you make the call. [/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[FONT=Arial]All right. Still, that?s another ?another thread? issue, but I?d love for us to have at each other. And who says it has to be religious? But of that later. Like I said, why not? Oh, and you start the thread. Since my stance is a one sentence post (meaning it might get locked), you know what it is, [I]and[/I] you already know what arguments to make, you?d be the better choice.[/FONT]
[quote name='The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Hah, i wasn't angry! I even put the little smiley face thingy after i said that! The "^L^". It was sorta like a childish so there, it was meant to be humorous.[/FONT'][/COLOR][/quote]
[FONT=Arial]Ah. ? Oh.
Heh; I thought you were thumbing your nose.[/FONT]
[quote name='Darktactic'] Facts can be interpreted in various ways, even altering the fact itself you might argue by changing the nature in which it is perceived. Is the glass half full or half empty? It's just a matter of preference.[/quote]
[FONT=Arial] *cough*
[quote name='Ace Ventura, Pet Detective']Ree?hee?hee?hee?hee?hee?heeahly?[/quote]
Okie dokie. Well, the fact is that half of the glass?s total volume is occupied by water. Full or empty implies connotation, and facts run alongside denotation; how something sounds as opposed to what it means. Yes, facts can be [I]interpreted[/I] in various ways, but that doesn?t change their truth.

Say I?m a high school student with a major English paper due in three days. I enter a room in which my mother happens to be sitting and she asks me, [B]?Is your paper done??[/B] I dodgily answer, [B]?It?s taken care of.?[/B]

Now, to her that means that yes, the paper is done, since that is the sentence?s actual meaning. However, my interpretation was that, since I had planned to start it the following evening, the [I]issue[/I] wis ?taken care of?, and not the paper itself. My reason for this is that I wished to avoid a tedious lecture on procrastination, which would have been given had I told my mother exactly what was going down. Instead, I put my spin on it, knowing exactly how she?d misinterpret my interpretation. Essentially, I lied. Technically, I told the truth that she didn?t want to hear in the manner she wanted to hear it. I couldn?t change the fact; I only changed her [I]perception[/I] of the fact so that she was ignorant of it.

Well, that took less time than expected. Again, too bad Chiyasha?s leaving us. I enjoyed her company. Or his company. :animeshy: Yeah. Umm.....that's a little awkward....[/FONT]

-A

[Chiyasha]

[QUOTE=Allamorph][FONT=Arial]Well, that took less time than expected. Again, too bad Chiyasha?s leaving us. I enjoyed her company. Or his company. :animeshy: Yeah. Umm.....that's a little awkward....[/FONT]

-A[/QUOTE]

:animeblus :animestun Ey ey ey! I am not leaving!?! What I was trying to say was I wanna stop discussing about this matter on that day! Ooh... so sorry. :animeswea Anyway, I am a 'she'. :catgirl: Please, don't be awkward. :animeswea Guess this discussion will never end. Oh well, I don't mind.

Anyway, to your opinions, I am not sure how to reply to this:

[QUOTE=Allamorph][FONT=Arial]No, He won?t. But then, He doesn?t hate anyone ? He created everyone, after all. What He hates is [I]sin[/I], since He is holy and without it.[/FONT]

-A[/QUOTE]

Now I am starting to aware that love of money can be evil... but to consider this as a sin... it's deep.

And what's with the metaphor matters?! Guys, you don't have to make your arguments anesthetically argumentative. Am not dissing or anything!

And Blase...

[QUOTE=Bláse][size=1][color=slategray]*looks at the post above*

Apparently no one can handle sarcasm anymore.

Pity.[/color][/size][/QUOTE]


Don't mean to be rude... you are not supposed to be sarcastic. I have received many strong arguments and opinions about this and they proved to be useful to change the way I think. I am a sarcastic person too but I won't use it at times like this! Be serious, will you?

Well, I guess... and I realised... money isn't everything. Last week, some event happened to me. Where materialism was put aside. I don't know really. Now I care less of my 3-month allowance cut due to pay half of the full price of my mobile (cell) phone. Money is not yet a primer thing to me, I suppose. It's my dad who's into money. But he's a considerate, hard-working man, although speaking of money all the time but the way he conveys money is not greedy-like. I don't know, maybe one has a different point of view.

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]Money is merely an indicator of value, it has no real value itself. Hence money is an indicator of evil.

If you have any money you are evil.

[QUOTE=Bláse][size=1][color=slategray]*looks at the post above*

Apparently no one can handle sarcasm anymore.

Pity.[/color][/size][/QUOTE]
Don't worry, people are stupid.[/size]

[Allamorph]

[quote name='Baron Samedi][size=1']Don't worry, people are stupid.[/size][/quote]
[FONT=Arial]Wizard's First Rule, if I'm not mistaken. And too often true. An individual person is actually quite intelligent, but people collectively are stupid. (Lemmings, anyone?)

The other stuff ? was it sarcasm or otherwise?[/FONT]

EDIT:
[quote name='Chiyasha'] :animeblus :animestun Ey ey ey! I am not leaving!?! What I was trying to say was I wanna stop discussing about this matter on that day! Ooh... so sorry. :animeswea Anyway, I am a 'she'.[/quote]
[FONT=Arial]And [I]I[/I] thought you were leaving the thread. I never thought you might leave the OB. Hooray for Mass Confusion!!! :animesigh

[I]Grazie[/I], my dear, I thought you were. I am the walrus ? I mean, a guy.[/FONT]

[Darktactic]

[QUOTE=Allamorph]

[FONT=Arial] *cough*

Okie dokie. Well, the fact is that half of the glass?s total volume is occupied by water. Full or empty implies connotation, and facts run alongside denotation; how something sounds as opposed to what it means. Yes, facts can be [I]interpreted[/I] in various ways, but that doesn?t change their truth.

Say I?m a high school student with a major English paper due in three days. I enter a room in which my mother happens to be sitting and she asks me, [B]?Is your paper done??[/B] I dodgily answer, [B]?It?s taken care of.?[/B]

Now, to her that means that yes, the paper is done, since that is the sentence?s actual meaning. However, my interpretation was that, since I had planned to start it the following evening, the [I]issue[/I] wis ?taken care of?, and not the paper itself. My reason for this is that I wished to avoid a tedious lecture on procrastination, which would have been given had I told my mother exactly what was going down. Instead, I put my spin on it, knowing exactly how she?d misinterpret my interpretation. Essentially, I lied. Technically, I told the truth that she didn?t want to hear in the manner she wanted to hear it. I couldn?t change the fact; I only changed her [I]perception[/I] of the fact so that she was ignorant of it.

Well, that took less time than expected. Again, too bad Chiyasha?s leaving us. I enjoyed her company. Or his company. :animeshy: Yeah. Umm.....that's a little awkward....[/FONT]

-A[/QUOTE] Wait. What are you arguing against/for? Is money good or evil? What I'm saying is that money can be both good and evil, based on the facts. It isn't just "good" or "evil". What I gather from what you're saying is that the facts may be ignored, but not lied about. So what are the facts that show that money is clearly one or the other (and if you aren't for one side or the other, why are you arguing with me :animedepr )?

[Horendithas]

[COLOR=DarkRed]Now I know this post here was already explained in that their intent was to be sarcastic, which by the way I figured it was. ;)[QUOTE=Bláse][size=1][color=slategray]I lost track of what everyone was talking about.

Anyway. Money, the root of wickedness? Nonsense.
I'm a gold digger in training, so I may be slightly biased... but I think that money is a solid foundation to everything. It gets you what you want, when you want it. If you have a handful of cash, you can be anything you want.
Besides, who ever said money can't buy love and happiness? That's some BS they are feeding you so you grow up with "morals." You want love? Go pick up a hooker. Money sure does buy you some time with those foxy ladies. Or men. Whatever floats your boat.

Worried about being evil? Well, if it's a sin, sins are forgiven... so whip that wallet out and do whatever you damn please.[/color][/size][/QUOTE]But I am curious as to why you found this post so upsetting. Because putting the sarcasm aside, it?s not offensive or immoral either. Because morals aren?t absolute. [quote name='medafunk']So you think people shouldn't have morals? You think people can be evil because sins are forgiven? Well buddy, if everybody thought that way, people like Hitler would be ruling the world, committing horrendous sins, making life a living hell, all the while thinking "It's okay--I'll be forgiven".[/quote]I?m kind of curious as to how you interpreted this as a they were saying people shouldn?t have any morals. Morals are very subjective and vary depending upon both the society and religion or lack of religion in which one was brought up in. The same goes for evil, what one society considers evil another considers normal. [QUOTE=medafunk]You REALLY think that money can buy love and happiness? Just "go pick up a hooker" you say. Do you REALLY believe that that's love?!? There's a HUGE difference between love and sex. The best things in life are free. Money can't buy you happiness, and it certainly can't buy you love. Material posessions don't give you happiness either. That's just greed, and that doesn't lead to anything good.

Why are you trying to defend greed? Why are you trying to defend EVIL?

I REALLY hope you don't plan on living your life by this standard, or with this logic, because it isn't at all a good thing.[/QUOTE]On some level money can buy you love and happiness, it really depends on what type of love and happiness you are after. Again this is dependant upon what beliefs you were raised with.

In a sense here you are taking your own moral system and attempting to force it on a complete stranger. I can pretty much guarantee you that picking up a hooker isn?t going to turn someone into the next Hitler. Prostitution has been around for centuries so that?s proof right there. ;)

Anyway, there?s my two cents, in a way both posts were rather entertaining. Blase in how they were poking fun at all the people (in general, not here on the boards) being so serious about how money is the root to all evil and your response as it just reinforced that concept, that people take the idea that money causes all the evil in the world to seriously.

If you were to take away money, for those people who have such tendencies, well they would simply find another means to get what they want. Those who are genuinely evil will use what ever method works to get what they want and money is but one of the tools out there for them to use. [/COLOR]

[Baron Samedi]

[QUOTE=Allamorph][FONT=Arial]Wizard's First Rule, if I'm not mistaken. And too often true. An individual person is actually quite intelligent, but people collectively are stupid. (Lemmings, anyone?)

The other stuff ? was it sarcasm or otherwise?[/FONT][/QUOTE]
[SIZE=1]Fantastic series, but I wasn't referring to it in my comment. More just that people often miss sarcasm, instead opting to take offence at what is often clearly a joke.[/SIZE]

[Allamorph]

[quote name='Baron Samedi][SIZE=1']Fantastic series, but I wasn't referring to it in my comment. More just that people often miss sarcasm, instead opting to take offence at what is often clearly a joke.[/SIZE][/quote]
[FONT=Arial]Yep. Even me occasionally, though I use it a good deal as well. Still, sarcasm, sardonicism and irony are a great deal harder to communicate in this setting, so I tend to avoid it.

And yes, it is indeed a fantastic series. I just saw the connection and brought it up; that's how I work. One has that tendency after being raised on Holmes.[/FONT]