Gaming Faith in Sony

[AnimeHeroX]

Well the PS3 been releashed as usually people are running over each other to get one when of course 20 out 50 people got them where i am and with the stupid price of 600 dollars here's the question i pose to all of you Have anyone of you lost faith in sony pulling this crap on all the playstation fans although i'm pretty sure the the buzz around this thing is over their won't be as many sony fans anymore.

[DeadSeraphim]

[COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial]Sony is hard to put faith in by default, cause it says a lot of really stupid and absurd things in the press that just consistently show that they're living in their own, personal, Sony bubble. They've made claims as far reaching as "XBox 360 is just following in our footsteps with online play" to "Wii's controller is a clear rip off of ours". It's meant to cater to the fanboys, sure, but to the rest of the world - you know, the people who can see the ******** for what it is - it's just strange, stupid behaviour.

I mean, the fanboys will always have faith. Even if they wait in the rain for a week to get a console and don't receive one, they'll put it down to Sony being so popular they sold out, not Sony didn't have enough for everyone. I strongly doubt any of Sony's recent actions will sway them, really. For the people who aren't so blindly devoted to the big PS though, Sony has lost a lot of credibility in their eyes. From the endless lawsuits, to the asking price of the console, to Sony's consistently bizarre press releases surrounding the launch... it's all just eroded at their image, honestly. Sony is less "the big innovator who brought gaming into a new age" now, and more "the big imitator who still thinks they are lord and master of the gamingverse... but not" at this point.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[2010DigitalBoy]

[COLOR=DarkOrange]I can't loose faith in Sony when I've never had faith in Sony.

As a former tendie fanboy, I've never thought much of the PS consoles. Even when I started getting into RPGs (and therefore bought much more PS2 games) I never liked Sony. Why? Because their consoles are pieces of crap, that's why! As I've said in other threads, I went through 3 origional PS2s -- 2 due to faulty programming.

If I ever read 'disk read error' again, I'll go crazy!

And let's not get started on the PSP... a device that I still have not seen any use for other than watching movies in class -- which even if I had a PSP I wouldn't do.

The PS3? No thanks. When I got the PS2 in '02 I never even got any games for it till late '03 and I still managed to get every game I wanted (around 30) so I figure it doesn't matter if I take a while to get the PS3. [/COLOR]

[Death God]

yeah it was a bad idea to make the PS3 $600.

and i find all this crazy stuff happing because of people trying to get a PS3 hilarious.

just imagine what the next psp will cost............


money.

its a crime.

[NashvilleDream]

I'm rather irked at Sony atm. They're being increadably stupid.
They shouldn't have rushed to release the PS3 when it wasn't even ready yet. They should have waited, worked out the bugs, and made enough where they wouldn't sell out.

The only reason I'll have for getting the PS3 is if they put KH3 on it (*is addicted*) As Enix has ruined squaresoft and FFXIII won't be worth it.

[Rachmaninoff]

Well it?s kind of hard to lose something that I never had. I?m less than thrilled at the price for their newest system and so I have no immediate plans to get one. But then I feel the same for xbox and the Wii, though since they aren?t so expensive I?m more likely to get them first. Now if they could only have games I like for the system. So far the Wii only has Zelda and since I have a gamecube I already picked it up for that system. The xbox has so far failed to have any game that really interests me. I'm sure they are fun, but none of the really appeal to me.

In the end, Sony is not only going to have to come down on the price, but also have a good line up of games I actually want to buy before I even consider getting the system. And they are a long ways away from actually doing that. So I?ll probably stick with my gamecube and playstation2 since both of them have plenty of games I like and other games that I?ve yet to even pick up. More than enough to keep me happy for the next couple of years while I wait for Sony to have better games and a more reasonable starting price. Plus one can hope that by then they will have worked out any of the more serious bugs new generation consoles end up having.

[silpheedpilot]

[COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1]I'll never lose faith in Sony. Ever. Love the company. Always have.
Then again, I'm pro-game. Who cares if the system costs $600? Its not the first time I've payed $600 for a system and it certainly won't be the last.

Think about it. Now, I know some of you may not be Xbox fans either but lets put it into perspective. The PS3 costs $600, correct? Correct. How much does the high-end Xbox 360 cost? $400? Yes. Howa bout the HD DVD player? $250. Boom. You've just payed more for an Xbox 360 than you would've if you bought a PS3. Not to mention paying for Xbox Live if that's your cup of Joe. Howa bout the wireless headset? $60.

See what I'm saying here?

So what if the PS3 costs $600 out of the gate? You're gonna pay that much if you're gonna enjoy the Xbox to its fullest. Even the Wii isn't safe from the grasp of moeny conflicts. $250 for the system, then maybe $40 for some good HD cable. $60 a pop for the whole controller setup. Wii points for the downloadable games. (And I know many of you younger gamers will be all over the retro games so you can see what we, the older crowd, played back when.)

The fact remains; games cost money. You need to spend money to enjoy your games. Its a fact. Its always going to be like that so all I can say is suck it up and stop bashing Sony for being so blunt with their pricing. (Among other things, but all systems have defects.) If anything I applaud Sony for slapping that $600 sticker on the system. At least they're not slapping us in the faces like Xbox and Nintendo with hidden 'fees'[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[DeadSeraphim]

[size=1][color=indigo][font=arial]You're talking about optional add ons with the system versus the system by itself. It doesn't work that way, chump. You can still enjoy an XBox 360 in all its gaming capacity without ever buying a HD-DVD player, the PS3 is $600 base, largely because because of a Blu Ray drive that is losing Sony money to produce and is having an extraordinarily hard time getting support from HD movie enthusiasts. $600 versus $400 with the later [I]option[/I] of getting a HD-DVD player? You might not see it because you're a Sony fanboy, but the average consumer's gonna go for the $400 and will not give a **** about Sony's amazing bluray drive.

As for the Wii argument... So? PS3 has a ****load of issues regarding HD tvs, so that will call for a whole new TV for some (at this point in time, at least), you have to pay to get old PS games off Sony's marketplace anyway, and to top it off, retro gaming on the PS3 looks like [i]****[/i] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCD9TwLrVs&eurl=]checkit[/url]). Take the wool from your eyes for a minute and look at things in perspective - it's an expensive, powerful console, with a lot of potential, but it is by no means the best and its prohibitive price is just the start of its problems.[/font][/color][/size]

[Rachmaninoff]

[quote name='di.fm][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1]The fact remains; games cost money. You need to spend money to enjoy your games. Its a fact. Its always going to be like that so all I can say is suck it up and stop bashing Sony for being so blunt with their pricing. (Among other things, but all systems have defects.) If anything I applaud Sony for slapping that $600 sticker on the system. At least they're not slapping us in the faces like Xbox and Nintendo with hidden 'fees'[/SIZE'][/COLOR][/quote]No one is saying they should hand it out for free. Being a customer isn?t about sucking it up, it?s about making sure you are getting a good deal and plenty of people feel that the price is on the steep side. Don?t let your love of the company blind you to potential price gouging. Or to people having legimate concerns.

I honestly don?t know enough about it to know if that price is reasonable. But look at it from my standpoint. I?m a college student who works part time. The price of that console is more than my rent, utilities and food for an entire month. The rest of my money goes to paying for school.

I never said systems didn?t have defects either, only that I would rather wait until they are found out especially due to the different nature of the technology of their system. And I?m sure somewhere down the line they are going to nail you with hidden costs, everyone does.

Also the thing DeadSeraphim brought up about the backwards issue. Who wants to play their games only to realize they look terrible and all for the lovely price of 600? I?d heard about that but hadn?t seen a video showing it yet. I would have thought they would have taken the time to fix something like that instead of leaving people in the position of still needing a playstation 2 if they want their games to look decent. Pretty poor planning on their part in that area. Why offer backwards compability if it's worse than the previous console?

I don't have faith in any company, I've always been the type to wait and see and right now my vision is that Sony has a ways to go before I'd purchase their newest system.

[Charles]

They will fix the backwards compatibility with a firmware update eventually.

As for faith in Sony--I'll have some faith when they stop losing exclusives. Most of you have probably heard about Virtua Fighter 5 being the latest "exclusive" to receive the Assassin's Creed treatment. Once Metal Gear Solid 4 and Devil May Cry 4 get ported, I'll literally have no reason to invest in a Playstation 3 for a while.

The price tag will be fine enough if Sony can fix up the many nagging problems annoying unfortunate early adopters, while ponying up the cash to give me something that I can't already play on the 360. The price tag is not offensive when you consider the technology that Sony is pushing but such a price tag automatically raises scrutiny and expectation. Right now, there's simply no justification for a purchase.

[Magus]

[QUOTE=Charles]They will fix the backwards compatibility with a firmware update eventually.

As for faith in Sony--I'll have some faith when they stop losing exclusives. Most of you have probably heard about Virtua Fighter 5 being the latest "exclusive" to receive the Assassin's Creed treatment. Once Metal Gear Solid 4 and Devil May Cry 4 get ported, I'll literally have no reason to invest in a Playstation 3 for a while.
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[size=1][color=blue]Talk about being out of the loop. What about the Assasins's Creed treatment? Microsoft and Nintendo have access to that title or something? So it's a high possibilty that MGS4 and DMC4 will get imported to other consoles as well? Or am I just way off?

Edit: Forgot to keep on-topic as well. Faith in Sony... Can't say that I've had faith in any console really. The way I see it (or rather, the way I am) is that I just get a console that I think that will have my type of games. In sony's case, more than likely, I will get it, but not for $600. I'm too cheap to even cough up $400 :animesmil And instead of me saying having faith in a console, because I use to say I lost faith in Nintendo, but I never had faith from the get go, so I'll say I merely lost interest.[/size][/color]

[Charles]

[quote name='Phenom][size=1][color=blue]Talk about being out of the loop. What about the Assasins's Creed treatment? Microsoft and Nintendo have access to that title or something? So it's a high possibilty that MGS4 and DMC4 will get imported to other consoles as well? Or am I just way off?[/size'][/color][/quote]

Both turned out to be "timed exclusives." They were both initially announced for the Playstation 3 only and later on the developers announced Xbox 360 versions.

It's been rumored that Konami will force a MGS 4 Port for the 360, similar to what Capcom did to Resident Evil 4 when a Playstation 2 port was announced. And, with the sales that Capcom is enjoying on the 360, it would surprise me if they [I] didn't[/I] port DMC 4 over. Like I said--Resident Evil 4. $$$$$$

I just think it's weird to talk about having "faith" in any video game company. If a console is offering good games and good features I get it. There's no faith involved. It's all about making informed decisions.

[Hanabishi Recca]

I've never had much faith in Sony for doing anything good. Its a good try for what they are doing, but the way that they are going for the goal is insane and stupid. There are a couple of reasons I will NEVER have faith in Sony unless they will change the system in a awesome way. Like making it right the first time, that means making good parts to go with it, making sure it doesn't get too hot and if so insert some fans ( thats happening to the 360) and probably make some better games.

Mostly I like Nintendo, but some of the games for the 360 seem good. I won't get a PS3 until much much later in the year. They always mess up in the beginning. No questions about it. I know some people out there that did pay the 600 big ones for the PS3 are going to get really pissed off at their PS3 later since it doesn't read the game correctly. Then they will have to buy another ( Or pay someone to fix it which is more $$$) which is how Sony makes their sells.

I'm probably just going to wait and see if they are even going to have any good games for it, probably a couple then I'll get it. But I won't go buy it without seeing something I want first. So far VF5 is one of the things I want, but I found out that it is coming out on the 360 later (Which I want for GOW,Prey, and a couple more) just a couple months later in Feb. and thats insane. I think that the Wii and the 360 are much better buys since I already see games I want. Wii sports are pretty fun too, I got to free play it.

Thanks for your time,

Dae

[Charles]

I was thinking about ignoring this reply out of kindness but I have to quote it.

[QUOTE=di.fm]Think about it. Now, I know some of you may not be Xbox fans either but lets put it into perspective. The PS3 costs $600, correct? Correct. How much does the high-end Xbox 360 cost? $400? Yes. Howa bout the HD DVD player? $250. Boom. You've just payed more for an Xbox 360 than you would've if you bought a PS3. Not to mention paying for Xbox Live if that's your cup of Joe. Howa bout the wireless headset? $60.

See what I'm saying here?[/quote]

What?

Joe, I know that you're not a Sony fanboy. Right? Or have you recently landed a Sony PR job that I'm not aware of?

First of all, as a gamer, I love options. Right now, it's not entirely clear which format is going to be the victor--HD DVD or Blu-Ray. So, I'd rather not be forced to invest in either format. At least if HD DVD fails, I will not have wasted $200 on the add-on. So, boom!

As far as hidden costs are concerned (and Blu-Ray is a big one in and of itself), the 360 came bundled with a wired headset, at least. Does the Playstation 3 come with a headset at all? From what I've heard, it does not.

Also, what if I want to watch my great new Blu-Ray movies in high definition? Or play my games in high definition? I'd be screwed if I bought a Playstation 3 expecting something as fundamental as component cables to be included. But, then again Microsoft included them with the Xbox 360, so go figure.

Let's not even get started on the Playstation 3 upscaling issue.


[quote]So what if the PS3 costs $600 out of the gate? You're gonna pay that much if you're gonna enjoy the Xbox to its fullest. Even the Wii isn't safe from the grasp of moeny conflicts. $250 for the system, then maybe $40 for some good HD cable. $60 a pop for the whole controller setup. Wii points for the downloadable games. (And I know many of you younger gamers will be all over the retro games so you can see what we, the older crowd, played back when.)[/quote]

Yes, "so what" if the price is justified beyond the PS3 being a Trojan Horse for Blu-Ray tech--but it isn't. "So what" if I hadn't been playing most of the PS3 launch line-up in superior condition since early this year on the 360. "Playstation 3. So what?" is right. It should be the official slogan surrounding the system right now.

You're also mistaking the Wii for an HD system; for most consumers who buy the Wii, HD won't even be a concern. I would say that it's a bigger crime on Sony's part for forcing gamers to buy the component cables seperately when HD is the cornerstone of Sony's next generation plans.

But, you know, I'm not even going to compare the Wii pricing to the Playstation 3's price. I could buy a Wii and several games for the cost of a PS3 alone.

Let's look at the Xbox 360 instead. I walked into EB yesterday and bought Project Gotham 3 for $19.99 and saw many other quality titles for under $30. Many of these games cost $60 for the Playstation 3.

On the bright side of things, at least EA is bringing back 2D sprite-based gaming with Fight Night's crowd's. Although, I'm not sure that's a good thing.

Stop trying to play the cost game.

[quote]The fact remains; games cost money. You need to spend money to enjoy your games. Its a fact. Its always going to be like that so all I can say is suck it up and stop bashing Sony for being so blunt with their pricing. (Among other things, but all systems have defects.) If anything I applaud Sony for slapping that $600 sticker on the system. At least they're not slapping us in the faces like Xbox and Nintendo with hidden 'fees'[/quote]

Yes, games cost money. Thanks for clarifying that. So, you can bend over and let Sony rape you for $600 if you want, while applauding at each thrust, but I'll wait until there are some games worth playing.

[Semjaza]

Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous to quote an HD-DVD player as an absolutely required thing for the 360. It's completely optional and doesn't affect gameplay in any sense. I have a 360 and have no desire to buy the player.

Maybe some one else wants to run off and watch the largely horrid selection of currently available Bluray movies, but I sure don't. If anything, people should be slightly bothered about that being included to begin with considering it's essentially the SOLE reason it's been so hard for them to produce units. Most places don't even think they'll be caught up with production estimates for several months yet. We're talking about a company that claimed they'd have 1,000,000 units at US launch, then down to 400,000 and then really only had about 200,000.

I have to stick with Charles on this whole component issue thing. You cannot get HD without that, at the very least. MS was big on HD as a major factor of their system, but Sony is pretty much pushing it as "if you don't have this, you're stupid". To not include them at all is ridiculous.

And even if you ran out and bought them, Bluray won't reach its true resolutions without HDMI cables instead. Many Bluray films use HDMI as a test for copy protection. So, basically, without it, your apparently important movie playing aspect of the system is pretty stunted.

As for Live, I'm not sure what to say. You can buy yearly packs with extra items (MS points, an arcade game) on sale most of the time. I've never spent $50 a year on Live and I probably never will have to.

You're paying for functionality well beyond what Sony's service offers in essentially any way. Whether its simple chatting, message sending, leaderboards or just plain gaming online. The problem with Sony's service is that each company runs its own servers... meaning, what happens when there's an issue? What would Sony do about it? It especially becomes scary if you love playing a really obscure title online. Would a smaller publisher really be willing to run those servers itself for the life of the system? Considering the things that happened with Dreamcast, who can even say?

It's less than the price of most games on either system. If we were just going to count things that go along with gameplay, that $50 barely cuts in to anything.

[Horendithas]

[COLOR=DarkRed][quote name='Charles']Yes, games cost money. Thanks for clarifying that. So, you can bend over and let Sony rape you for $600 if you want, while applauding at each thrust, but I'll wait until there are some games worth playing.[/quote]That just made my day Charles. :rotflmao: You have such a nice way of putting things. [QUOTE=di.fm][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1]Think about it. Now, I know some of you may not be Xbox fans either but lets put it into perspective. The PS3 costs $600, correct? Correct. How much does the high-end Xbox 360 cost? $400? Yes. Howa bout the HD DVD player? $250. Boom. You've just payed more for an Xbox 360 than you would've if you bought a PS3. Not to mention paying for Xbox Live if that's your cup of Joe. Howa bout the wireless headset? $60.

See what I'm saying here?[/SIZE][/COLOR][/QUOTE]I have thought about it and instead of forcing their customers to buy stuff they don?t need they?ve given them the option. HD DVD players isn?t a new thing and who wants to fork out the extra money for a feature they may already have? There?s a whole world of consumers who already have an HD DVD player and don?t want to pay the extra for something they don?t even need.

Sony?s trying to ram the whole thing down your throat instead of giving the buyer options like Xbox did. You?re going off of the assumption that the person buying it doesn?t have any of those items. My parents are a good example of this, they love to watch movies but don?t play any games whatsoever. So when my bother picked up his Xbox he didn?t waste an addition $250 for a HD DVD player that he didn?t even need since he lives with my parents still. And even when he moves out, he?s not much of a movie person and doesn?t really plan on getting it at all. [quote name='di.fm][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1]The fact remains; games cost money. You need to spend money to enjoy your games. Its a fact. Its always going to be like that so all I can say is suck it up and stop bashing Sony for being so blunt with their pricing. (Among other things, but all systems have defects.) If anything I applaud Sony for slapping that $600 sticker on the system. At least they're not slapping us in the faces like Xbox and Nintendo with hidden 'fees'[/SIZE'][/COLOR][/quote]The actual price of the game isn?t the issue here, it?s the stupid way that Sony is trying to force the whole package on everyone as if it makes them a better choice some how. Xbox and Nintendo aren?t putting out hidden fees, they are letting the customer pick and choose to some extent what they want. Where Sony?s taking the attitude of we provide everything unlike the others, when I reality it just shows how inflexible they?ve become over the years. They?re bogging their customers down with stupid expenses without any consideration to those people who only want to play games and don?t give a damn about all the ?our system does so much more? junk. I don't even use HD for anything so why would I want to fork out the extra money for it?

That?s about as dumb as buying a truck that can haul stuff when all you need is a car to get to work. Why pay for stuff you don?t need when you can go to Xbox, buy the basics and then later if you do need the stuff you can just upgrade.

Sony on the other hand is outright trying to screw you over from the very beginning and trying to make it look like the others have hidden fees, instead of realizing that they missed the chance to cater to their customers needs. About the only faith I have in Sony is that they are continuing their streak of missing the mark when it comes to really being there for customers. I don't have any faith in any of the companies, I never did. I just go with the one that gives me the best options along with games I actually like. And Sony is a long ways away from that at the moment. [/COLOR]

[Charles]

Maaaan, when you've got indifference not being indifferent, you definitely know you're wrong.

[SunfallE]

[COLOR=RoyalBlue]I just gotta laugh at the idea of having faith in a company when all of them are out to make a profit not brighten your day somehow. I?ve always went with whatever system has the type of games I enjoy playing and has the best deals as well. And even then I go back and forth between some of them.

I started with Nintendo SNES since they had a number of really great RPG games that I enjoyed. And though I enjoyed the 64, at that point the games I loved seemed to be going to Sony instead. So I later switched to the Playstation2. Then when The Wind Waker came out I finally broke down and got the Gamecube since before then they didn?t have enough games that interested me plus at the time they had a good offer where buying the console meant you got the game too so it was a more attractive package, and now that I?ve got Twilight Princess for it I feel more like I got my money?s worth out of that console.

Xbox, Playstation3 and the Wii are all consoles I have no interest in for several reasons. In addition to cost, none of them have enough games that I want so I see no reason in forking out the money for them.

So to turn around and purchase a Playstation 3 just because it has the extra features for movies, well that?s a huge waste for me since I have no interest in the HD DVD aspect or any of the other things they are claiming. I buy consoles for playing games not for watching stuff. I?m disappointed that they bundled it all together making it where I have no choice if I want to play their games.

At this rate I?d buy a Wii or an Xbox first. Just so I don?t have to pay for features I don?t need or even want at this point. I?m not going to buy a Playstation3 with stuff I don?t need out of some misguided idea that I need to be loyal or have faith in Sony or any other company for that matter. [/COLOR]

[silpheedpilot]

[QUOTE=DeadSeraphim][size=1][color=indigo][font=arial]You're talking about optional add ons with the system versus the system by itself. It doesn't work that way, chump. You can still enjoy an XBox 360 in all its gaming capacity without ever buying a HD-DVD player, the PS3 is $600 base, largely because because of a Blu Ray drive that is losing Sony money to produce and is having an extraordinarily hard time getting support from HD movie enthusiasts. $600 versus $400 with the later [I]option[/I] of getting a HD-DVD player? You might not see it because you're a Sony fanboy, but the average consumer's gonna go for the $400 and will not give a **** about Sony's amazing bluray drive.

As for the Wii argument... So? PS3 has a ****load of issues regarding HD tvs, so that will call for a whole new TV for some (at this point in time, at least), you have to pay to get old PS games off Sony's marketplace anyway, and to top it off, retro gaming on the PS3 looks like [i]****[/i] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCD9TwLrVs&eurl=]checkit[/url]). Take the wool from your eyes for a minute and look at things in perspective - it's an expensive, powerful console, with a lot of potential, but it is by no means the best and its prohibitive price is just the start of its problems.[/font][/color][/size][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1]Man, I never said it was the best and I'm no Sony fanboy. Charlie can vouch for that through all his di.fm bashing this week.

Anyway, chump, let's not mince my words here. This goes for all of you.
While I never specified, I never said that you MUST buy the wireless headset for the Xbox 360. I never said you MUST buy the HD-DVD player for the Xbox 360. I merely said that to experience it at it's COMPLETE- FULLEST, note that I did say complete- fullest not gaming-fullest, You would have to shell out as much as the PS3. Lets scroll back up to make sure thats what was intended...annnnnnnnd...yes.

Now, I'm not sure where you work but I work at EB Games and there isn't a day that goes by without someone coming in and asking about the HD-DVD player or someone coming in and touting the Blu-Ray and these are folks that look like 'average consumers' to me.

Oh, whats this? Do 'average consumers' come into my store and ask about the PS3? Why, yes di.fm, they do!
And what do they do when I tell them we have 360's available?
They say; 'No! We want the PS3!'

Go to hell on the 'average consumer' thing because the 'average consumer' doesn't even want to pay $400 for a gaming console.

Let's head back to the retro-gaming thing for a minute, but lets avoid Nintendo for now because it seems they've been granted immunity this time around because they have done damn well. Abooouuuutt how many Xbox 360 games are backwards compatible? Like 300-ish compared to it's 500-ish library? Something along those lines, correct? Yeah. How many of them are utter crap? A good portion? Yeah. At least, if in low-quality, the PS3 can play ALL games from PS1 and PS2.

Yeah, yeah. Say what you will about quality control , but not being able to play ALL my 360 games right off the bat and without a hard-drive is pretty 'low-quality to me.

Anyway, I'm done for the night I've said what I've needed to say so bring on the fire-works, sir. I know that sharp tongue is going to start lashing. You too, Charlie cause I know you're gonna jump in there somewhere.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[DeadSeraphim]

[size=1][color=indigo][font=arial]The average consumer doesn't buy from EB (see: Best Buy, Walmart), [i]gamers[/i] and [i]gamer's mums[/i] buy from EB. Also the PS3 doesn't have full support for its entire retro library to begin with (it has issues with a lot of games, but they're mainly **** so you'll be right, huh?). Finally, here's a tip: working at EB doesn't make you the authority on HD-movies and console sales, it makes you an employee of EB where people happen to ask about PS3s and BluRay (I like how you didn't explicitly say they're BUYING PS3s). Try not to get the two concepts mixed up next time, kay?[/font][/color][/size]

[Semjaza]

I don't really agree that you need to buy every little add-on to get the system's COMPLETE FULLEST anyway. I can play every game with what's available on either system. This isn't mincing the words as much as it's just disagreement lol.

So, what, when PS3 gets official wireless headsets and wireless steering wheel controllers and every thing else like that, we'd have to buy them too? Did anyone even list a headset for the PS3? Or how about Linux, since I can run it on there? Or a keyboard to plug in to it?

I mean, I understand your point, but by that logic every time something new is introduced, you'll have to add to the cost of having the [i]complete fullest[/i] system again. Neither the 360 or the PS3 would ever stop adding up in what you're supposedly paying for to enjoy them to the fullest. It almost completely invalidates the purpose of adding up the costs.

[Kenso]

[quote name='DeadSeraphim][size=1][color=indigo][font=arial]The average consumer doesn't buy from EB (see: Best Buy, Walmart), [i]gamers[/i] and [i]gamer's mums[/i] buy from EB. Also the PS3 doesn't have full support for its entire retro library to begin with (it has issues with a lot of games, but they're mainly **** so you'll be right, huh?). Finally, here's a tip: working at EB doesn't make you the authority on HD-movies and console sales, it makes you an employee of EB where people happen to ask about PS3s and BluRay (I like how you didn't explicitly say they're BUYING PS3s). Try not to get the two concepts mixed up next time, kay?[/font][/color'][/size][/quote][size=1]Of course he doesn't talk about people BUYING PS3s. They can't, because Sony decided they weren't even going to produce enough for their pre-orders, let alone for other people who hadn't pre-ordered because they weren't sure about it yet. And that's one of the problems Sony consistently has - they don't care about us, and they purposely hype up everything and under produce to create a false demand for their system.
I didn't even bother to buy a PS2 until last year. The fact that I did not feel inclined to buy a PS2 until 5 years after its release, as I'm not the type to buy a console for only one or two titles, makes me leary about even bothering to think about the PS3, which is looking to have the same problem. (By the way, Sony had backwards compatibility issues with the PS2 also, so the fact that they exist with the PS3 shouldn't surprise anyone.) I'm seeing two, maybe three (and one of them isn't technically announced yet) games on the PS3 I'd actually want to play, and I am not going to shell out $600 for them (especially being that one is MSG4, so I'll wait for the port, which I'm fairly certain will happen, as the 360 has games I'd actually want to play).
And I'm definitely going to have to agree with the 'average consumers don't shop EB' comment. I'm a gamer, and I don't shop EB, and when I do go in there, I often know more about what I'm asking about then the employees do.
On top of that, the fact remains that within the next 6 months, there's likely to be recalls for at least 3 entirely separate reasons, because Sony's quality control is utterly horrendous, and they do not know how to release a system that works right the first time.
Anyway, I think I'll leave it at that for now. I'm out.
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[silpheedpilot]

[quote name='DeadSeraphim][size=1][color=indigo][font=arial]The average consumer doesn't buy from EB (see: Best Buy, Walmart), [i]gamers[/i] and [i]gamer's mums[/i] buy from EB. Also the PS3 doesn't have full support for its entire retro library to begin with (it has issues with a lot of games, but they're mainly **** so you'll be right, huh?). Finally, here's a tip: working at EB doesn't make you the authority on HD-movies and console sales, it makes you an employee of EB where people happen to ask about PS3s and BluRay (I like how you didn't explicitly say they're BUYING PS3s). Try not to get the two concepts mixed up next time, kay?[/font][/color'][/size][/quote]

[COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1]Yeah, yeah. I didn't say they were buying them because I thought you were smart enough to know that it's damn hard to buy anyway because there isn't that many out there to begin with. So sorry o' holy one.

Of course working at EB Games doesn't make me the authority on HD movies and Blu-Ray but because the store is in a mall and the PS3 plays Blu-Ray and the Xbox 360 has an HD DVD add-on and because the 'average consumer' goes to the mall on a regular basis, see's my store and must think; 'Well, he must know about it.', it does in fact make me the 'authority' in their eyes. Although this time I'm in the wrong for not saying it was located in the mall where 'average consumers' buy from. (see: Old Navy, Sears, Verizon and, oh yeah, EB Games.)
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[Aaryanna_Mom]

[QUOTE=di.fm][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1]Of course working at EB Games doesn't make me the authority on HD movies and Blu-Ray but because the store is in a mall and the PS3 plays Blu-Ray and the Xbox 360 has an HD DVD add-on and because the 'average consumer' goes to the mall on a regular basis, see's my store and must think; 'Well, he must know about it.', it does in fact make me the 'authority' in their eyes. Although this time I'm in the wrong for not saying it was located in the mall where 'average consumers' buy from. (see: Old Navy, Sears, Verizon and, oh yeah, EB Games.)
[/SIZE][/COLOR][/QUOTE]I think you missed DeadSeraphim's point. The mall isn't the average consumer's choice for shopping unless they are looking for something more specific. As a parent I along with other parents I know, avoid the mall because it's usually more expensive than places like Best Buy and WalMart or even Amazon who ships it right to your door. If you think malls are the in thing, stop and think about how there are more WalMarts around than malls. Because people will often go there first.

And another thing I've also learned as a parent. Stores do not hire people based on their actual knowledge of the products they sell. I've run into employees more ignorant about games than I am. I never take the word of any employee when getting stuff to give my children. I've spent to much time having to turn around and then go back to get the correct item since often I've been told the wrong thing.

As for the actual topic itself, as a parent I was deeply disappointed in what Sony did, their price along with including things I understand are not needed to play games, they've effectivly put it beyond my ability to buy for my daughter as it's far to costly. Even if they did have them in stock I couldn't afford it.

By making everything all inclusive they've effectively ruled out anyone who doesn't make more money than the average person. Over the years, the cost of items has not gone hand in hand with what a person makes. A decent car costs as much as a house did when I got married. There's nothing great about a company or any other one that claims they are passing the cost on to the consumer when they've made sure you have costs that aren't needed for your kids to play games.

I never had faith in Sony to begin with, but I remember when people use to look more favorably on the name as it meant you were getting a good product. Now it's more of a what idiotic thing have they done now instead of being impressed by their latest gadget.

[hidaboy]

Sony :animecry: :animecry: :animecry:
yes, i have lost faith. my reason, releasing a console at $600, and this whole $100 games. personally i think they made a bad move making such high quality games that people can only by the system and sit their and stare at it because they can't afford games as well (not saying that high qaulity is bad or anything). My theory, they shoud have started out with decent plot, mid-grade graphic games then release the better games and make more money once they got gamers hooked. thats about i have to say on the matter so later.
oops, i lied, is this just a myth i've heard talking to the gamers i associate with or can the ps3 only play ps3 games?