Girls asking guys out

[Roxie Faye]

[color=#9933ff]This is kinda inspired by Forgotten Hero's advice thread (though how I got it from there we'll never know).

The thing is, I feel like one of society's rules is that guys are supposed to ask girls out, and girls aren't [i]really[/i] supposed to ask guys out.

Why do you think that is?

And, what's you're whole opinion on girls asking guys out? I'm interested in hearing answers from the guys, as well as the girls. [/color]

[Sojiro47]

I'm kinda old-school, so I've always ask the girl. But my most recent relationship was brought about by the girl. This was kind of weird, but I was cool with it. I think that if the boy is too afraid to make his move, but the girl wants the relationship to grow, then she should ask. But this opinion is a very recent opinion that I have formed. I didn't always think it should work this way.

[Shane12_01]

Well, I guess it has just been in our culture for so long that it just seems unatural (sorry can't spell) to have the girls ask the guy. Then again, maybe, it has to do with the girls being "easy" if they ask guys out. That comes more from the girls side for saying that. I think, girls are meaner to eachother than guys are its kinda sad :animeswea ; so that might be an influence, is your "reputation".

idk in my true oppinion, if a girl is interested enough to ask me out, cool, I don't mind :animesmil . It doesn't bother me as much.

[eleanor]

[color=dimgray] The US is still a patriarchal society at its core. I could list tons of examples:

1) "Father passing on his daughter" during marriages.
2) If a boat is about to sink, women and children would still probably be the first to get on the safety boats. Or at least it would be the "right" thing to do in today's society.
3) The military is made up mostly of guys.
4) I could go on, but I won't.

This whole culture won't end until women actually start thinking/acting like true equals. As in, we can't expect guys to not hit a girl or be pampered. When you're outside in the cold, you can't expect the guy to take his coat off and give it to you. Do I think this? No, I'm still pretty traditional, but it's just my theory.

I have no doubt that this will change, albeit slowly, but for now it's the norm. [/color]

[Semjaza]

I don't really see what the difference is. The result is called a "couple" for a reason. I think all of it is give and take... if you're a girl and you like a guy, go for it.

[Ol' Fighter]

I'm old fashioned too and I think the guy should ask out the girl but of course it shouldn't really matter anyway because if the guy likes the girl a lot I say there's a much higher chance he'll ask her out first if the girl likes the guy more there's a much higher chance she'll ask out the guy, right?

[Morpheus]

This is an issue that tends to really get on my nerves. I've heard many girls say that they would never ask a guy out because they are afraid of rejection. Well guess what? Rejection is a two way street. If a guy asks you out and isn't hurt by the rejection, chances are he didn't give a rats *** about you. Guys have feelings too, and ours are as easily thrown to the wolves as girls' feeling are. Girls tend to think that asking a girl out is nothing to a guy, and that's about as far away from the truth as you can possibly get. Guys get intimidated a lot easier than girls do.

[Retribution]

[size=1]I'm definitely agreeing with Lunox here. In theory, it should be a two-way street. But guys, if you intend on getting a girlfriend and you know she likes you, don't wait. It'll be fatal.[/size]

[The13thMan]

[QUOTE=Lunox][color=dimgray] The US is still a patriarchal society at its core. I could list tons of examples:

1) "Father passing on his daughter" during marriages.
2) If a boat is about to sink, women and children would still probably be the first to get on the safety boats. Or at least it would be the "right" thing to do in today's society.
3) The military is made up mostly of guys.
4) I could go on, but I won't.

This whole culture won't end until women actually start thinking/acting like true equals. As in, we can't expect guys to not hit a girl or be pampered. When you're outside in the cold, you can't expect the guy to take his coat off and give it to you. Do I think this? No, I'm still pretty traditional, but it's just my theory.

I have no doubt that this will change, albeit slowly, but for now it's the norm. [/color][/QUOTE]
[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]My personal opinion on this matter is that they shouldn't act like true equals because they aren't. To say men and women are equal is to imply that you can judge the two sexes, and you simply can't. Men and women are different, that's all there is to it. Does that mean one has less potential than the other? Of course not. Does it mean one should have less rights than the other? Nope, it's not the case. But it does mean that we should treat each other differently. The man should always protect the women and children first, simply because they are, on the whole, more capable. Now, if it's obvious that a woman is stronger than a man then it should be the other way around.

When it comes to asking girls out...haha, if my girlfriend read this she'd get a good laugh. She was the one who asked me out and pushed for the whole relationship, basically because i was in an...odd position? Also very inexperienced with the whole matter. I have no problem with her being aggresive...as a matter of fact i really like it, it's hot. ^L^ And besides, it's 2006, it's not uncommon for a girl to ask a guy out anymore.

Later.
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[Retribution]

[QUOTE=The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]My personal opinion on this matter is that they shouldn't act like true equals because they aren't. To say men and women are equal is to imply that you can judge the two sexes, and you simply can't. Men and women are different, that's all there is to it. Does that mean one has less potential than the other? Of course not. Does it mean one should have less rights than the other? Nope, it's not the case. But it does mean that we should treat each other differently. The man should always protect the women and children first, simply because they are, on the whole, more capable. Now, if it's obvious that a woman is stronger than a man then it should be the other way around.

When it comes to asking girls out...haha, if my girlfriend read this she'd get a good laugh. She was the one who asked me out and pushed for the whole relationship, basically because i was in an...odd position? Also very inexperienced with the whole matter. I have no problem with her being aggresive...as a matter of fact i really like it, it's hot. ^L^ And besides, it's 2006, it's not uncommon for a girl to ask a guy out anymore.

Later.
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[size=1]So wait, what does your first paragraph have to do with the topic at hand if you agree with the crux of Lunox's argument?[/size]

[The13thMan]

[quote name='Retribution][size=1']So wait, what does your first paragraph have to do with the topic at hand if you agree with the crux of Lunox's argument?[/size][/quote]
[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]In all honesty, nothing at all. ^L^ I was just going off on a tangent. I do that a lot... and i'm trying to stop myself from doing it at this very moment. But at least i did throw in that second paragraph to not be completely off topic.


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[Horendithas]

[COLOR=DarkRed][quote name='The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]My personal opinion on this matter is that they shouldn't act like true equals because they aren't. To say men and women are equal is to imply that you can judge the two sexes, and you simply can't. Men and women are different, that's all there is to it. Does that mean one has less potential than the other? Of course not. Does it mean one should have less rights than the other? Nope, it's not the case. But it does mean that we should treat each other differently. The man should always protect the women and children first, simply because they are, on the whole, more capable. Now, if it's obvious that a woman is stronger than a man then it should be the other way around.[/FONT'][/COLOR][/quote]Nice contradiction you?ve got going there. Being stronger doesn?t necessarily connect into one being more capable. Maybe at lifting weights but not on the entire playing field called life, which is far more than simple strength. First you go on the tangent that neither one has less potential but you then turn around and nullify that statement by saying man should protect the women and children because they are more capable? Aren?t you forgetting the ?[I]Does that mean one has less potential than the other? Of course not[/I]? remark at that point?

Don?t be fooled into thinking that being physically stronger makes you more capable somehow. I?m sure that?s not what you meant, but you are contradicting yourself quite a bit here. Your whole argument would make sense if you were saying people are not equal, forget the plumbing, and then take a closer look to see if they are really more capable than another person. Because in that sense, you could apply this to guys as well since obviously there are going to be guys who are stronger than other guys and the same goes for women.

Anyway, as for the topic, I see nothing wrong with a girl asking a guy out. Usually the people I run into who think guys should be the one asking the girls are either going by what their elders tell them or by their religious views. The main religion here in Utah teaches their members that the men are the one who goes out and provides and the woman is the one who stays at home. And that it?s the man?s responsibility to ask the woman out, offer his coat in the cold, etc. It didn?t make them any more capable, as all these boys are doing is what others before them have done. They are following instructions instead of thinking outside the box. I?ve even run into a few who think a girl who asks a guy out is too forward for doing so. So plenty of girls simply won't ask a guy out for fear of being thought poorly of for doing so. [/COLOR]

[The13thMan]

[QUOTE=indifference][COLOR=DarkRed]Nice contradiction you?ve got going there. Being stronger doesn?t necessarily connect into one being more capable. Maybe at lifting weights but not on the entire playing field called life, which is far more than simple strength. First you go on the tangent that neither one has less potential but you then turn around and nullify that statement by saying man should protect the women and children because they are more capable? Aren?t you forgetting the ?[I]Does that mean one has less potential than the other? Of course not[/I]? remark at that point?

Don?t be fooled into thinking that being physically stronger makes you more capable somehow. I?m sure that?s not what you meant, but you are contradicting yourself quite a bit here. Your whole argument would make sense if you were saying people are not equal, forget the plumbing, and then take a closer look to see if they are really more capable than another person. Because in that sense, you could apply this to guys as well since obviously there are going to be guys who are stronger than other guys and the same goes for women.
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[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I understand how you can think i'm contradicting myself here, but i'm not. You simply misinterpreted what i wrote, but i do not blame you, i blame myself. I often times don't fully explain what i mean, or i leave out something crucial to the understanding of it all.

In this case i'll say this, potential and actuallity are two totally different things. Men and women both have the potential to be just as strong as one another, but in actuallity men, on the whole, are stronger than women. Do you now see how that is not a contradiction? If women were usually stronger than the other, then it should be men and children first. But it's not that way, and rightfully so.

As for strength not being more capable, i suppose that makes sense it certain situations, but those weren't the ones i was talking about. I was trying to give an example, but (haha) i didn't. I should've gave a specific example. I didn't mean to say that physical strength made you more capable in "life." In most practical terms it does, but there are situations where it doesn't. And of course there are way too many other things that you need to be successful at life, but i won't even try to get into it. The rest of this argument is pointless, as there's no way to prove your point.

I don't fully understand what you mean by your second paragraph...i don't think i disagree with it, or ever did. ::shrug::

Anyways, if you would like to bring up more of my contradictions, please do. I'll explain what i meant...or simply admit that i'm a crazy person that constantly contradicts himself... ^L^

Hell, i'll just admit it now. I'm a crazy person that constantly contradicts myself. =D
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[Horendithas]

[COLOR=DarkRed][quote name='The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]In this case i'll say this, potential and actuallity are two totally different things. Men and women both have the potential to be just as strong as one another, but in actuallity men, on the whole, are stronger than women. Do you now see how that is not a contradiction? If women were usually stronger than the other, then it should be men and children first. But it's not that way, and rightfully so. [/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]That makes more sense than comparing capable to strength. But I am curious as to the part about it not being a case of women are stronger and the rightfully so bit. Why is it rightfully so? What brings you to the conclusion that it's right that generally men are stronger? Putting aside the actual physical aspects, what else makes you believe that? Is it religion or some other factor? [QUOTE=The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]As for strength not being more capable, i suppose that makes sense it certain situations, but those weren't the ones i was talking about. I was trying to give an example, but (haha) i didn't. I should've gave a specific example. I didn't mean to say that physical strength made you more capable in "life." In most practical terms it does, but there are situations where it doesn't. And of course there are way too many other things that you need to be successful at life, but i won't even try to get into it. The rest of this argument is pointless, as there's no way to prove your point.[/FONT'][/COLOR][/quote]Ah, but I didn?t know that. ;) And now that I do your original post makes more sense instead of coming across as a contradiction. Besides I?m not necessarily looking for you to prove your point, just to understand what your original one was. [QUOTE=The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I don't fully understand what you mean by your second paragraph...i don't think i disagree with it, or ever did. ::shrug::

Anyways, if you would like to bring up more of my contradictions, please do. I'll explain what i meant...or simply admit that i'm a crazy person that constantly contradicts himself... ^L^

Hell, i'll just admit it now. I'm a crazy person that constantly contradicts myself. =D
[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]That?s fine, I was getting the impression that you yourself thought being stronger made you more capable. But not anymore since you explained further. That paragraph comes from dealing with idiots who have more muscles than actual brainpower. And the mistaken belief that many of them have that being stronger makes them more capable.

As for contradicting yourself, don?t we all at some point? ;) But there?s no need to point anything else out as you?ve clarified what you meant. Well other than my question about the rightfully so part as I'm curious to hear your response. [/COLOR]

[The13thMan]

[QUOTE=indifference][COLOR=DarkRed]That makes more sense than comparing capable to strength. But I am curious as to the part about it not being a case of women are stronger and the rightfully so bit. Why is it rightfully so? What brings you to the conclusion that it's right that generally men are stronger? Putting aside the actual physical aspects, what else makes you believe that? Is it religion or some other factor? Ah, but I didn?t know that. ;) And now that I do your original post makes more sense instead of coming across as a contradiction. Besides I?m not necessarily looking for you to prove your point, just to understand what your original one was. That?s fine, I was getting the impression that you yourself thought being stronger made you more capable. But not anymore since you explained further. That paragraph comes from dealing with idiots who have more muscles than actual brainpower. And the mistaken belief that many of them have that being stronger makes them more capable.

As for contradicting yourself, don?t we all at some point? ;) But there?s no need to point anything else out as you?ve clarified what you meant. Well other than my question about the rightfully so part as I'm curious to hear your response. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Darn, i feel like i'm letting down your curiousity now. Instead of having some interesting reason for saying "rightfully so," it was simply another misunderstanding. Gosh...i have got to stop being so unclear. 'Tis a curse! A wicked wicked curse!

Anyways, it's not rightfully so that men are stronger than women, it's rightfully so that men protect the women (as in, women and children first in the sinking boat scenario), because they, typically, are stronger. If women were generally stronger, then i'd expect it to be reverse and i'd say that was rightfully so. I'd say the biggest reason men are stronger than women is culture, but that's totally off subject.

So anyways, i hope i've cleared things up for you. If there's anything else then just let me know. =D


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[MissWem]

[COLOR=DarkRed][FONT=Arial]Though a highly debated topic, general consensus you will find is that it's okay for a lady to ask a guy out. Either that or people are just agreeing so they don't sound anti-femenist or sexist or like mysogynists.

But it's still somewhat socially more unacceptable for a woman to ask a man out because western society is still evolving from the old tradition where men take charge and women follow. I myself have been semi-brought (only semi because my Dad is still quite traditional but then my mum encourages independence) up to look for a man who will take care of all my needs, be the gentlemen, drive me around and pay for my movies.

By personal experience asking a guy out (for the first time) earlier this year was by far one of the best decisions I've made to date. He had no intention of asking me out because he didn't think I was interested, so it worked out.

I also feel like I should say that I agree with The13thMan. Men and women are already fundamentally different due to biological reasons. However different doesn't always mean inequal, it's like comparing a red apple to a green one. They both have differing flavours, one tends to make a better soup whereas the other is nicer on its own yet both are good for your health and are both apples. I hear tell they're effective doctor repellants.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Raina]

[COLOR=Blue]Isn't a guy asking a girl out, and a girl asking a guy out, kind of a personality issue? I know girls who ask guys out. And I know girls who wait for guys to ask them out. I myself, am too shy to ask a guy out. And my bf was too shy to ask me out. So I did the best I could to make opportunities for him to ask me out. And I tried to show that I was interested in him.

I asked him for his number. I asked him if he would like to go out sometime as friends. I asked him if I could help him study (in just 1 subject). He then made the choice to give me his number. He decided where we should go and when. He decided to come to library early to study with me.

So with us, it was a two-way thing. We're dating now, because of the effort we both put in. Because we are equal. :catgirl:

I try to pay for my own food, etc, because I feel bad when he pays for me. And I also want to be independant. But he won't let me pay for anything. I only paid for my own food twice, and paid for his drink once. And that was only because I wanted to, and fought for my right to do so. He felt bad that I paid, so in that way, he understood how I feel when he pays for me. So now, if I really wasnt to pay for myself, he lets me.

I think I went off topic... I'm not sure. :animeswea
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is culture, beliefs, etc effects our personality to some extent. So I think that a girl asking a guy out is just a part of it.
I hope I made sense... :animeswea [/COLOR]

[TheResplendent]

[QUOTE=Raina][COLOR=Blue]Isn't a guy asking a girl out, and a girl asking a guy out, kind of a personality issue? I know girls who ask guys out. And I know girls who wait for guys to ask them out. I myself, am too shy to ask a guy out. And my bf was too shy to ask me out. So I did the best I could to make opportunities for him to ask me out. And I tried to show that I was interested in him.

I asked him for his number. I asked him if he would like to go out sometime as friends. I asked him if I could help him study (in just 1 subject). He then made the choice to give me his number. He decided where we should go and when. He decided to come to library early to study with me.

So with us, it was a two-way thing. We're dating now, because of the effort we both put in. Because we are equal. :catgirl:

I try to pay for my own food, etc, because I feel bad when he pays for me. And I also want to be independant. But he won't let me pay for anything. I only paid for my own food twice, and paid for his drink once. And that was only because I wanted to, and fought for my right to do so. He felt bad that I paid, so in that way, he understood how I feel when he pays for me. So now, if I really wasnt to pay for myself, he lets me.

I think I went off topic... I'm not sure. :animeswea
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is culture, beliefs, etc effects our personality to some extent. So I think that a girl asking a guy out is just a part of it.
I hope I made sense... :animeswea [/COLOR][/QUOTE]


[font=tahoma]That's exactly it, it IS dependant on personality. Those who adhere to the "traditional ideals" will support the idea of guys asking girls out, whether you are a guy or a girl. Where as others who have changed along with the times will have different ideals. What it really comes down to is what kind of a person you are as an individual though. This can be based off a number of things, such as religion, upbringing, personal beliefs, etc etc.

I've met girls who actually enjoy being the ones to make a first move, and i've met others who absolutely refuse to even if they like somebody. I personally think it wouldn't be such a horrible thing if girls let on how they felt more often and asked someone out rather then vice-versa.

Flirting and signs can be fun, don't get me wrong. But it's sometimes hard for guys to figure out how girls feel exactly and making the mistake of saying something out of line is something that's usually a sole deciding factor in whether or not she stays interested if she is. 9 times out of 10, if a guy is interested in a girl it's really rather obvious. Unless he goes out of his way to hide it.

Things like who pays for dinner or who picks who up work essentially the same way, they are based on personality but also adhere to a particular ideal of tradition. I've had relationships where we take turns paying each week for whatever it is we do when we go out, personally I think that is the best way to go about it. Not only is it fair, but it balances out the choices and dosen't put pressure on either party to feel like they are not involved enough in decision making or generosity. Of course there are exceptions such as if one person dosen't have a job, etc etc. But in any case, i see balance and equality has the best way to go about things in a relationship as far as what you lay out on the table, but it's always good to keep a few hidden tricks. Like buying her a small gift out of nowhere for whatever reason when she chooses where to go, or change things up and take her somewhere she didn't expect that you know she'd like if you've planned something typical. This dosent work all the time, it's more special if it's sporadic. Of course where I place "her" can be replaced with "him" as well. I just speak from my own POV. [/font]

[Aaryanna]

[COLOR=Red][QUOTE=MistressRoxie][color=#9933ff]The thing is, I feel like one of society's rules is that guys are supposed to ask girls out, and girls aren't [i]really[/i] supposed to ask guys out.

Why do you think that is?

And, what's you're whole opinion on girls asking guys out? I'm interested in hearing answers from the guys, as well as the girls. [/color][/QUOTE]Well I certainly have to agree with you based on how I was raised and taught from a religious sense. I was always given the impression from other church members and in classes in church that I was suppose to prepare for being married and raising kids and that it was the guys duty to do the rest. I don't really agree with it and I no longer attend church. But still, most of the girls I know who are my age or a little older get too freaked about the idea of asking a guy out as if it's not proper or something.

I've never given any thought to asking a guy out myself for the simple reason I still find most guys my age immature and irritating. I know they all aren't like that, but honestly most of the time they only seem to be interested in trying to either get a peek in my shirt or to get in my pants so to speak. >_<

Anyway, in the end I think it doesn't really matter who does the asking. I would have to say it depends on how you yourself feel about it. I've always been pretty forward with how I feel about stuff so I would imagine that if I do meet someone and find myself attracted to them, I probably would ask them out. But until that actually happens, I don't know for sure what I would do.[/COLOR]

[Gavin]

[SIZE=1]Interesting, most interesting.[/SIZE]

[QUOTE=MistressRoxie][color=#9933ff]The thing is, I feel like one of society's rules is that guys are supposed to ask girls out, and girls aren't [i]really[/i] supposed to ask guys out.

Why do you think that is?

And, what's you're whole opinion on girls asking guys out? I'm interested in hearing answers from the guys, as well as the girls. [/color][/QUOTE]

[SIZE=1]Personally I have no problem with girls asking guys out, heck one of my more recent girlfriends was the one to start off the relationship, we'd go out, have fun and split the cost of the date at the end of the night. If society wants to get to a point where men and women are able to hold the same roles in society, I see no point in returning to old roles pointlessly. That said, I'd certainly have to be the one to propose.[/SIZE]

[Sara]

[quote name='Gavin][SIZE=1']... I see no point in returning to old roles pointlessly. That said, I'd certainly have to be the one to propose.[/SIZE][/quote][color=#b0000b][size=1]What if your significant other proposed to you, first? Would you say no?

If you like someone, and you think they like you back, ask them out. That goes for guys and girls. Maybe it's just a result of how I was raised, but I don't see why the question would even come up.[/color][/size]

[11100000101]

Like MissWem said, most of people here (maybe everyone) agree that girls can be the ones who start a relationship, according to their respectives personal particularities. However, there is still a lot of prejudice, if I can put it like that, specialy amongst older people. To give an example: my schoolmate's dad obligued her brother to put a dress and humiliated him because he was helping her to do the dishes. And we study in a good school, besides her mother having her own store, that is, she's relatively independent.

But, back to the asking out question, if it is that simple and acceptable girls having this behavior, why do people keep questioning it? I don't mean that it shouldn't be discussed. What I mean is that this fact being surprising, not for people here, but in general, is the proof of the existence of the "prejudice".

[Fyxe]

[size=1][color=slategray]Once I heard that guys usually expect the girl to make the first move. Which I never knew. Maybe that's true for the majority, maybe it's not.

For me, it's been half and half. Some of the relationships I've been in, I've asked the guy out. And in some, I've been asked out. I did realize, though, that whoever made the first move tended to be the dominant person in the relationship. The two guys that I asked out, I made all of the moves. The two guys that asked me out, they made all the moves.

So... since I'd rather not be the "man" in the relationship... I prefer to have the person ask me. I mean, I don't like being dominant even when I'm with a girl.

My whole take on this thing is that you should do whatever feels more comfortable to you. If you really want to get into a relationship with someone, ask them out. It shouldn't matter.[/color][/size]

[Guest NIKI12345]

[QUOTE=Shane12_01]Well, I guess it has just been in our culture for so long that it just seems unatural (sorry can't spell) to have the girls ask the guy. Then again, maybe, it has to do with the girls being "easy" if they ask guys out. That comes more from the girls side for saying that. I think, girls are meaner to eachother than guys are its kinda sad :animeswea ; so that might be an influence, is your "reputation".

idk in my true oppinion, if a girl is interested enough to ask me out, cool, I don't mind :animesmil . It doesn't bother me as much.[/QUOTE]


Me and my friends who are girls fight over guys alot. Since I'm a tomboy type of girl I notice that all the guys at my school are almost friends. I mean for you guys it seems like all you need to do is say hi and your like best friends forever or until football season.

I think that some boys should become braver or at least let the girl know how you feel. Then she will take care of the rest, but really its really easy for me as a girl to ask a guy out. To me you get accecpted or rejected so it doesn't really matter :D

[Rachmaninoff]

[quote name='Aaryanna][COLOR=Red']Well I certainly have to agree with you based on how I was raised and taught from a religious sense. I was always given the impression from other church members and in classes in church that I was suppose to prepare for being married and raising kids and that it was the guys duty to do the rest. I don't really agree with it and I no longer attend church. But still, most of the girls I know who are my age or a little older get too freaked about the idea of asking a guy out as if it's not proper or something. [/COLOR][/quote]They do the same to the guys, tell us how it?s our place to protect the woman and to provide for them and essentially do all the asking out as well. Gotta love those religion classes right? ;)

Personally I don?t have any issues over the girl being the one to ask me out. There are a few girls I positively cringe over when they do this, but that?s more because the girl in question is either overbearing or controlling or a shrill little brat that I?d rather die than date.

But for the others who are just more open and honest about how they feel, I have no trouble with them at all. I just wish that the one I truly want to date would finally say yes or would somehow ask me out. :animesigh