DETHKLOK!("Metalocalypse")

[Aberinkula]

[COLOR="Olive"]I don't follow the Hot Topic thing. The only I've gotten there was a family guy T-shirt. otherwise, I hate the place.[/COLOR]

[James P. Galvatron]

Will someone for the love of lucifer give me a freakin breakdown of the diffrences of Black Metal and Death Metal it bothers the hell out of myself and a friend of mine we listen to the both to the point where I minds have melded into a non identifiable way to determine the two.

Also I don't like Hot Topic or the scene that it presents and damn HIM I only like 2 to 4 of their songs and I hated Venus Doom listened to a ripped version of it. The only thing I would ever buy from Hot Topic is trip pants and thats cause they are nice addition to my usual dress. Though at this point and time I have no pairs because I can't afford them why must they be expensive for the poor college student and trendy so when you wear them people try to label you.

[Justin]

First wave black metal is more or less just a direct descendant of the Venom brand of early extreme metal. Extreme as it got back then, anyway.

From Venom forward you have the earliest divisions in the evolution of the two. Bathory and Celtic Frost are seminal in black metal's development; whereas death metal is more influenced by Possessed. You also can't ignore Mercyful Fate's influence on black metal, and Slayer's influence on both.

But from Possessed forward, death metal developed the idea of being a balance of fast, heavy, and technically sound. They chose this aspect of metal over the traditional arrangement styles, as well as the traditionally over-the-top live performances. Death metal, I think, found its true father in Death, which is where it gets its name. They join Deicide and Morbid Angel in the 'unholy trinity.'

By the time death metal reached its early height, the genre had evolved further and further away from organization in the traditional sense, and further away from any kind of effort at an entertaining live performance. It also reached a height of popularity most thought impossible. The first example of all these features was Cannibal Corpse, who released the first extreme metal record to ever crack the Billboard Top 200.

Death metal's popularity was to the chagrin of the younger and less developed Second Wave of black metal. I read a quote(from either Dead or Euronymous), where the quoted said he remembered someone once telling him that you could walk into any American high school and see ten Morbid Angel T-shirts. It has even been mused, by Euronymous, that Dead killed himself because of this rising popularity of what black metal devotees considered to be their opposite.

So black metal brought out, in force, what they believed death metal had destroyed. Good arrangements, a stage show to be remembered, and a deeper meaning than the hollow obsession with gore. Black metal began to stand for something, where they believed, fairly accurately, that death metal stood for very little.

Now, you may ask, which is better? That is a matter of taste. I enjoy both. I respect both equally for all that they represent individually. I like the experimentation of black metal, as well as the arrangement and lyrics. But I enjoy the brutality and technical prowess of true death metal. I even more enjoy the melody of melodic death metal, a second movement with roots more based in thrash than either of the two previously discussed movements.

I also like the death metal approach to a stage show. I like to be relaxed on stage, and just let natural charisma rule my performance, rather than flashy stage get-ups. But that's just me.

It's like I said, man. Being underexposed and not a musician, I doubt you'll be able to instantly recognize the differences that are plain to Jake and me. I can say that, because I've been in your shoes. And I've asked the very same questions and expressed the very same frustrations at the answers. But I promise you, we're not just pretentious. The differences are there, and they are astounding.

-Justin

[Jakehammaren]

Kam has indeed provided an accurate history lesson. I'll break it down nice and simple:

Death metal = technicality, brutality, down-tuned guitars.

Black metal = atmosphere, haunting melodies, atmosphere, emotion, atmosphere.

In a nutshell. They're vastly, vastly different. Really. If any black metal band heard you call them a death metal band, they'd have your head, no joke.

[James P. Galvatron]

Thanks I'm a fan of both and some bands seem to include all of those and I get confused as to which they are.

[Aberinkula]

[COLOR="Olive"]I went to my local F.Y.E and I bought No World for Tomorrow... :)

And The... DETHALBUM! I love this album. my favorite song Fist Fisted was my first listen. Haven't heard much becasue Co&Ca's album comes first. But I'll check back with all my thoughts later.[/COLOR]

[2010DigitalBoy]

[quote name='Revolver'][COLOR="Olive"]my favorite song Fist Fisted was my first listen.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkOrange"]It took me a minute to decide wether that was an intentional parody of the song or you just had horrible grammar XD[/COLOR]

[Aberinkula]

[COLOR="Olive"]Yeah, I made an oopsy! it's [B]Face [/B]Fisted not Fist Fisted. Duh! XD[/COLOR]