Spider Man 3

[Sazumechan]

Ok i was watching hero's on nbc and they showed a preview of spider man 3 oh my gosh does it look good!Harry has got his fathers equipment and he attacks spider man (who he now knows is peter.)and thats all it showed but i think its gonna be great!what do you guys think?

[desertphoenix]

Oh I remember seeing the trailer a [I]while[/I] ago. Almost completely forgot the movie's opening day is in May. Thank god for [spoiler]Venom[/spoiler] or else I would of been screaming about how long i have to wait. But i can wait.

[RobinWH]

i can't wait !!
i LOVE all the SpiderMan movies and this is going to be the best yet !

[Kenshin DX]

I think what they are doing with Spiderman is completely stupid. I mean they are going to fit in Symbiote , Harry's revenge , and Sandman into one movie? They are going to have to make this film long or rush through it fast. I also don't like they are changing how Uncle Ben died making Sandman the killer instead of some random guy. It just seems awkward. I'm sure it Will still be good it cant be nearly as bad as X-Men 3 :rolleyes:

[desertphoenix]

[quote name='Kenshin DX']I think what they are doing with Spiderman is completely stupid. I mean they are going to fit in Symbiote , Harry's revenge , and Sandman into one movie? They are going to have to make this film long or rush through it fast. I also don't like they are changing how Uncle Ben died making Sandman the killer instead of some random guy. It just seems awkward. I'm sure it Will still be good it cant be nearly as bad as X-Men 3 :rolleyes:[/quote]

X-men 3 wasn't that bad. Infuriating, but enjoyable.

A lot of things seems to be going on with Spiderman 3, but it still looks like it's going to be kind of a good movie with the three major villains, even though i don't remember Sandman at all. He reminds me a lot of hydro though. So far, there have been more good comic book movies than bad ones imo.

The irony of just seeing a TMNT commercial again, i think i that might be a must see also. :animeswea

[Kenshin DX]

[QUOTE=desertphoenix]
even though i don't remember Sandman at all.
[/QUOTE]
That's because he sucks and Marvel scooped up the bottom of the bag of villains lol.[


[QUOTE]The irony of just seeing a TMNT commercial again, i think i that might be a must see also. :animeswea[/QUOTE]

TMNT is either going to kick *** or ruin my childhood memories. So i'm not sure whether Ill see it.

[r2vq]

[quote name='Kenshin DX']That's because he sucks and Marvel scooped up the bottom of the bag of villains lol.[/quote][color=#007520]I'm going to have to disagree there. Sandman was a pretty cool villain, and in the 60s cartoon was even more fun to watch than ol' Doc Ock.

Imagine a fight with the webslinger against a villain that absorbs Spidey's blows right before transforming their own hand into a mallet as hard as diamond to smack our favourite wall crawler across the room. This guy can use the sand around him as an extension of his own body, and hide in the sand whenever he feels like it.

This'll be a great eye villain, if anything.

[quote name='desertphoenix']even though i don't remember Sandman at all. He reminds me a lot of hydro though.[/quote]I'd say the reason he's not as memorable is because he wasn't in the 90s cartoon very much. Though, interestingly enough, he apparently worked (and merged) with Hydroman once to create an unintelligent mud monster...

-r2[/color]

[Kenshin DX]

[QUOTE=r2vq][color=#007520]
I'd say the reason he's not as memorable is because he wasn't in the 90s cartoon very much. Though, interestingly enough,[B] he apparently worked (and merged) with Hydroman once to create an unintelligent mud monster...[/B]

-r2[/color][/QUOTE]

I actually remember that lol

The reason I don't like Sandman is because they could use cooler villains like Carnage.
Where the hell is Carnage? Fans would go nuts if he was in it. Green Goblin and Doc Oc were very cliche villains and the most well known which is why they probably chose them. But maybe villains like Kraven , Silver Sable, Black Cat(throw in a little love interest there), Electro would be cool. At least they are not using Chameleon that would be uberlame.

[r2vq]

[color=#007520]Black Cat would definately be smexy, but her costume reminds me so much of the X-Men movie costumes and I worry about association.

Carnage is without a doubt the one that would follow Venom, but you can't have a Carnage movie without a Venom plot first. And I think putting them into the same movie would be rushing the storyline way too much. The original comic was really, really slow and scary when introducing the Venom character, even the 90s animated cartoon (which moves too fast for me to enjoy these days) drew it out to at least feature length.

Now, when it comes to Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus, you have to keep in mind that they are, were, and always will be Spider-man's [b]arch[/b]-enemies. I don't deny Venom's resemblance and lineage with Spider-man (whether by Promethium X or Secret Wars replicator) but this all came later, around when Todd McFarlane was working with Spidey. Ock and Gobbie were villains first and have survived (so to speak) to this day.

While Octavius is the evil version of the scientist that Parker is, Osborn is a personal family friend that uses Parker's personal life against him. I think Goblin made a logical choice for the first film, and Octopus was a wonderful choice for the second film. If it wasn't justified enough, watch the train fight between Ock and Spidey again, or the fight on the side of the building. You just can't do that sort of fight with any other villain and that's what made Ock so perfect.

Venom will be sick though. I hope the trailers don't spoil his appearance, and I'm shocked they've shown so little about him yet.

-r2[/color]

[Boo]

[quote name='Kenshin DX']Where the hell is Carnage? [/quote][size=1]That was exactly what I thought after trying to find out whether he'd be in the movie. Or at least the guy with the fishbowl on his head. Mysterio, was it?

[i]Just because they rock more than sandman[/i].[/size]

[Gavin]

[SIZE=1]Interesting, most interesting.

I hadn't realised there were going to be some many villains in Spiderman 3, I thought it was just going to be Spidey versus Venom. That said I have to agree that there were way better villain choices than Sandman, his interesting powers aside, the retcon of sorts to tie him to the plot is poor at best. Uncle Ben's death by a nameless criminal was meant to show how personal and impersonal crime could be.

Personally my choice would have been Black Cat, not only would it require an uber-sexy actress but it would create even more personal dilemmas for Peter, and we all know it's the personal development as well as the visual feasts which make Spiderman movies good.

Just out of curiosity who would OBers like to see play Black Cat ?[/SIZE]

[Sazumechan]

[QUOTE=Gavin][SIZE=1]Interesting, most interesting.

I hadn't realised there were going to be some many villains in Spiderman 3, I thought it was just going to be Spidey versus Venom. That said I have to agree that there were way better villain choices than Sandman, his interesting powers aside, the retcon of sorts to tie him to the plot is poor at best. Uncle Ben's death by a nameless criminal was meant to show how personal and impersonal crime could be.

Personally my choice would have been Black Cat, not only would it require an uber-sexy actress but it would create even more personal dilemmas for Peter, and we all know it's the personal development as well as the visual feasts which make Spiderman movies good.

Just out of curiosity who would OBers like to see play Black Cat ?[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

Halley Barry.i dont know if i spelled that right but anyways she has already played cat woman so i think she would be a perfect fit for black cat.

[Andrew]

[quote name='Sazumechan']Halley Barry.i dont know if i spelled that right but anyways she has already played cat woman so i think she would be a perfect fit for black cat.[/quote][size=1]Uch! Are you crazy? Halle Berry sucked as Catwoman (Almost as much as the whole movie sucked) and she's not even that sexy! Plus she's already played Storm, quit hogging good characters with a mediocre (piss poor in my opinion mind you) actress![/size]

[size=1]It'd definately have to be someone far more shapely than her anyway. I don't have any ideas in mind right now, just know I wouldn't want her![/size]

[size=1]As for Spidey, I'm once again finding myself anxious for it's release, even though both moives have been somewhat disappointing for me. Don't get me wrong, they were great movies, but maybe not great Spidey movies. I personally don't agree with the choice of Maguire for Parker/Spidey. Sure he can fit the suit, but he doesn't have the comedic charm that Spidey should have.[/size]

[Boo]

[quote name='Andrew][size=1']I personally don't agree with the choice of Maguire for Parker/Spidey. Sure he can fit the suit, but he doesn't have the comedic charm that Spidey should have.[/size][/quote][size=1]You're right. He only has the nerdy aspect.[/size]

[James P. Galvatron]

My Black Cat pick is Rosario Dawson not only was she hot in Clerks 2 but very very hot :animeblus in Sin City 1 and now shes gonna be in Sin City 2 :animeswea I must see it.

[r2vq]

[color=#007520][quote name='Boo][size=1']You're right. He only has the nerdy aspect.[/size][/quote]I'm going to have to disagree with that, on the grounds that when I'm watching a Spidey fight scene I don't think "That was a good dodge, but I think Spidey seems a bid nerdy."

For more evidence of Maguire not being just the nerd in our favourite wall crawler, check out his audition tape for Spider-man. Most of the Sony execs were actually reluctant to give him the suit until they saw the tape of topless Toby tossing thugs in the alley.

Now, when it comes to [/color][font=Arial Black]Black Cat[/font][color=#007520], she has to be shapely, and she has to be blonde. In this case, I'm going to have to point towards Elisha Cuthbert. She even has that mischevious look that Black Cat should have.

-r2[/color]

[Boo]

[QUOTE=r2vq][color=#007520]I'm going to have to disagree with that, on the grounds that when I'm watching a Spidey fight scene I don't think "That was a good dodge, but I think Spidey seems a bid nerdy."

For more evidence of Maguire not being just the nerd in our favourite wall crawler, check out his audition tape for Spider-man. Most of the Sony execs were actually reluctant to give him the suit until they saw the tape of topless Toby tossing thugs in the alley.[/color][/QUOTE][size=1]Still he's only a nerd. It has nothing to do with how awesome you can throw bad guys in a trash can. It has everything to do with charisma. And from where I'm looking, he's terribly lacking in what Andrew called "his comedic charm", which I think is one of the better aspects of Spiderman.[/size]

[Gavin]

[QUOTE=r2vq][color=#007520]Now, when it comes to [/color][font=Arial Black]Black Cat[/font][color=#007520], she has to be shapely, and she has to be blonde. In this case, I'm going to have to point towards Elisha Cuthbert. She even has that mischevious look that Black Cat should have.

-r2[/color][/QUOTE]

[SIZE=1]Great choice r2, I hadn't even considered Cuthbert.

Also I agree with Boo and Andy, Spidey's comedic side has always been one of my favourite aspects to him, Maguire is just a little too dour most of the time for my tastes.[/SIZE]

[Andrew]

[SIZE=1]*Is just posting so Gavin doesn't have to double-post*

I just got back from seeing it now and I'm still coming down from my Spider-Fangasm.

In the words of Stan Lee: "Nuff said"[/SIZE]

[Dodeca]

[SIZE=1]I went to see Spidey 3 today with some friends. I still can't believe I managed to get a ticket without a reservation, given that it's release day and all, and that I bought said ticket less than 5 minutes before it was set to start. : P

Overall, I loved it. The action scenes were superb, and there's nothing more entertaining than watching Toby make a total fool out of himself every now and then. Let's face it - when it comes to looking like a complete idiot, he's perfect.

Though, 2 things in particular annoyed me;

1. What is [i]with[/i] the writers and killing off the bad guys at the end of each film? You just [i]can't[/i] kill off super-villians like that, yet they do it [i]every[/i] damn time. [Sure, the Batman films did it, but most of said films were [i]crap[/i].] The Green Goblin, sure, they needed to kill him to give Harry a reason to follow in his footsteps, but getting rid of Doc Ock, [spoiler]Venom [i]and[/i] frickin' Harry[/spoiler], some of his greatest arch-enemies [b]ever[/b]?!? What the-? [spoiler]No doubt they would've killed Sandman too if they didn't need him for that 'I forgive you' scene, though it's not as if anyone'd care about [i]him[/i] kicking the bucket. He was only a minor villain anyways[/spoiler]. It's a travesty, I say.

2. Stan Lee. I'm fed up of seeing him taking cameo roles in anything and everything super-hero related. [I]Heroes[/I], [I]Spiderman 3[/I], other things I can't remember... enough is enough! >.<[/SIZE]

[RobinWH]

It seems as if you need to be schooled on this subject. I'll start with number 1.

The green goblin dies in the comic to give rise to the hobgoblin (Harry), so we all know he actually is dead. Now as for Doc Oc, they never actually say he dies. All you see is him sinking into the water. There's no dead body found so there's nothing that says he was killed off in the movie. It's been said before, even in comics, if you don't see a dead body the bad guy isn't dead, and even if you see a dead body there is nothing to stop the writer / creator from bringing them back.

Now for number 2. You should be slapped for bad mouthing Stan "The Man" Lee. He doesn't just take "cameo roles in anything and everything super-hero related". He is in the Spiderman movies because HE CREATED SPIDERMAN. He was also in The Incredible Hulk movie too. Gee I wonder why... He made a cameo in Heroes probably because they asked him to. The conversation between Ando and Hiro right before Stan Lee's Cameo mentioned life and it not being like a comic book. Then the bus doors open and the driver is none other than Stan Lee. It's just like when they had George Takai make a cameo. His license plate said NCC 1701, which is the nomenclature of the USS Enterprise. Aside from that, "comics" have a strong presence in Heroes, so why WOULDN'T they want a comic icon such as Stan Lee to make a cameo.



[QUOTE=Dodeca][SIZE=1]I went to see Spidey 3 today with some friends. I still can't believe I managed to get a ticket without a reservation, given that it's release day and all, and that I bought said ticket less than 5 minutes before it was set to start. : P

Overall, I loved it. The action scenes were superb, and there's nothing more entertaining than watching Toby make a total fool out of himself every now and then. Let's face it - when it comes to looking like a complete idiot, he's perfect.

Though, 2 things in particular annoyed me;

1. What is [i]with[/i] the writers and killing off the bad guys at the end of each film? You just [i]can't[/i] kill off super-villians like that, yet they do it [i]every[/i] damn time. [Sure, the Batman films did it, but most of said films were [i]crap[/i].] The Green Goblin, sure, they needed to kill him to give Harry a reason to follow in his footsteps, but getting rid of Doc Ock, [spoiler]Venom [i]and[/i] frickin' Harry[/spoiler], some of his greatest arch-enemies [b]ever[/b]?!? What the-? [spoiler]No doubt they would've killed Sandman too if they didn't need him for that 'I forgive you' scene, though it's not as if anyone'd care about [i]him[/i] kicking the bucket. He was only a minor villain anyways[/spoiler]. It's a travesty, I say.

2. Stan Lee. I'm fed up of seeing him taking cameo roles in anything and everything super-hero related. [I]Heroes[/I], [I]Spiderman 3[/I], other things I can't remember... enough is enough! >.<[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

[Gavin]

[size=1]Thanks Andy.

Well like my friend I saw Spider Man 3 last night, and I must admit while I enjoyed the film, I was disappointed it wasn't quite as good as the second film was. The Spider Man series was great because unlike other Marvel movie releases it didn't rely on the visuals to make up for the often mediocre story.

Unfortunately for me Spider Man 3 just wasn't as slick as the preceding film, there were too many plots and subplots, which weren't weaved together all that well and took too long to address. Really there was potential there for two films, a Spidey/Venom one and a Spidey/Goblin one with Sandman appearing as a sub-plot somewhere in either of them.

There were only two parts that really bothered me about the whole film.

[b]1] Peter Parker [spoiler]gets his black suit and goes EMO:[/b] I think every genuine Spider Man fan was horrified for those minutes where instead of becoming more tangibly evil, Peter just starts dressing in black and goes to jazz clubs.[/spoiler] It just seemed so... God I can't even find words to properly describe it...nauseatingly false comes close but not close enough.

[b]2] Mary Jane Watson:[/b] I like MJ, and I like Kirsten Dunst, the latter being one of the first women in cinema I was actually attracted to when I was a kid and saw Small Soldiers. But in Spider Man, MJ just irritated the hell out of me, and I don?t know whether to blame the writing or the directing, or Ms. Dunst herself.

[spoiler]She just seemed, to me at least, to demand that Peter make her the absolute centre of his world, that he pursue her happiness before his own, and God love him if he voiced that he actually knew what it felt like to have one critic say nasty things about you. It was such a turn-around from Spider Man 2, where she simply accepted that he had to do what he had to do. In fact I might go as far to say she seemed like a spoiled brat in the early segment of the film.[/spoiler]

Now that?s all I didn?t like, the rest I really did enjoy. The visuals were absolutely stunning, if not for the often fantastic nature of the acrobatics you?d scarcely know there was any CGI it was so well integrated. I can?t imagine what kind of training Maguire had to go through to get fit enough to wear that suit, but fair play to him.

A lot of people didn?t like the character, but I think Thomas Haden Church did a simply excellent job as Sandman, easily the most human villain of them all. A refreshing touch was that Marko wasn?t just the typical super-villain but rather remained driven by a very human desire, and [spoiler]genuinely regretted the one truly evil act he had ever committed, even if it was an accident.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]New Goblin?s return at the end was just great, I really am a sucker for friendships being rebuilt and I was very pleased that Harry was able to overlook his hatred and come to the aid of his friends. I was gutted when he was killed in the end, I knew it was coming, he had to die after all that had happened, but still it was something I felt really annoyed by because he was so cool, anti-heroes are always more interesting than their pure counterparts.[/spoiler]

All in all I?ve give the film about a 7, it has great potential that just isn?t realised through some segments of the script, an overflow of plots and characters that aren?t properly integrated until the end and the morality tale of ?vengeance getting you nowhere? was far too obvious throughout. On the up side, the visuals are excellent, the acting is mostly top class and you will enjoy the end, that?s guaranteed.[/size]

[quote name='RobinWH']so why WOULDN'T they want a comic icon such as Stan Lee to make a cameo.[/quote]

[size=1]Maybe because he can't act. I've nothing against directors making cameos in their movies, so long as they don't go whole hog about it, Stan's appearance was very artificial in nature and unnecessary. "Seems one person can make a difference..." should have been followed by the line "so long as he's got freakin' super-powers."[/size]

[Sandy]

I went to see the movie yesterday as well, and I gotta say that I liked it, but it could've been better. The same way as any of the previous Spider-Man movies could've.

For one, it was overly long, many scenes were just outright pointless. And even though it was an action movie, it had way too long action scenes. But maybe that's just my own preference.

In trying to maintain the "cartoony" feel to the movie, most of the characters overacted and were not believable in general. That suited for characters like J Jonah Jameson, but Tobey MacGuire's "bad boy" skit was downright embarrasing. I loved Topher Grace, though, but it might've been just the fact that Eric Foreman had grown into such a hottie. ;D

I didn't mind the "triple threat" that Spider-Man confronted, the build-up for the final showdown was quite good, actually. The wide cast of characters brought substance to the movie, although at times it felt like an overly long episode of a tv series.

All in all, it was a good wrap-up to the trilogy, they tied the loose ends which is always good. Now the future Spider-Man movies can start from a clean slate.

PS. Does New York's subway really have overlapping bridges underground, like in that one fight scene?

[eleanor]

[QUOTE=Sandy]
PS. Does New York's subway really have overlapping bridges underground, like in that one fight scene?[/QUOTE]

[color=dimgray] Mm-hm.

I saw Spider-Man 3 last night, and I have to say it was a guilty pleasure for me. The whole movie was jumbled and never followed a coherent line, and it was a mish-mash of four villains and random fight scenes. I just kept thinking about how amazing the movie [i]could[/i] have been.

McGuire's scenes with the dance-walking and jazz club was sort of funny, but something just felt horribly wrong. In a good way, though. P: Every girl was, in the tiniest of ways, slightly turned on by how much better Peter looks with his hair down and how he can play the piano. They just won't admit it. But I will. :D

And I love how [spoiler]all the girls walking down the sidewalk making eyes at Peter were models, and therefore about a feet taller than him, lol.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]But every girl will admit that they cried on the inside when Harry's face was half-burnt and then was killed. Our whole group screamed "no!" when he was stabbed. ;_;

Also, the butler thing. Because you couldn't tell Harry that two movies ago. I know it was for the sake of the movie, but it was just too huge a glare.[/spoiler]

[quote name='Andrew][size=1']Halle Berry.... she's not even that sexy![/size][/quote]

Um... you are blind. [/color]

[Sandy]

[QUOTE=Lunox][color=dimgray][spoiler]Also, the butler thing. Because you couldn't tell Harry that two movies ago. I know it was for the sake of the movie, but it was just too huge a glare.[/spoiler]
[/color][/QUOTE]

That really was a WTF-moment in the movie!

Another was the scene where [spoiler]Spider-Man saves Gwen Stacy from falling to her death, and her boyfriend Brock only says to her "glad you're okay" and walks off. It's like he was sure she'd be alright despite her drop![/spoiler]

Like I said, the movie wasn't very believable, but I'm sure no-one expected it to be.