Prostitution!

[Gavin]

[QUOTE=James][font=arial]As far as I know it's legal in many places. It's certainly legal here, although it's semi-regulated I think. So the idea of it being illegal is alien to me, lol.

I don't agree or disagree with it, personally. If people want to do it/use the service...it really has nothing to do with me. lol[/font][/QUOTE]

[SIZE=1]Pretty much the same for me, if it's legal or illegal, it's not going to affect me so I'm neither for nor against the legalisation of it. If people are that desperate for human sexual contact it's their business, but if feel sorry for them that they can't go out and form normal relationships, or just couldn't be bothered to do so. [/SIZE]

[Retribution]

[size=1]I don't understand how people say "Prostitution doesn't really impact me, so I don't care." It seems like a very callous point of view to ignore something solely because it has no impact on your life.

Prostitutes are often exploited, and human trafficking pops up to feed the lucrative business that it is. And yes, land value [i]does[/i] drop with a hooker on your corner, because most people don't really want that on their doorstep. Drugs and blue collar crime follow, and the area becomes very dingy. Prostitutes are subject to abuse by their pimps and clientèle. Sure, you can legalize it, but there will continue to be trafficking, a great deal of abuse and exploitation, and a degradation of the area in which it's legalized.

Yes, it's a person's own business what they do with their bodies, but when that leads to a slew of other problems (and an infraction on other's personal freedoms), that right must be abridged.

Go ahead and legalize prostitution, because by the pro's logic, it would let it be safer and more regulated. The legalization of heroin and cocaine follow that same logic as well.[/size]

[BlueMoon]

Personally, while I think prostitution should be legalized, I think it would need to be regulated just like any other job. It's like what r2vq said. So long as the brothels were treated as any other work place, with safety guidelines and protection measures, then I don't see a problem.

What I do have a problem with is the street walking variety. I think in my idealized little image of this, with the legalization of brothel prostitution, street walking would be illegal. Street walking, to me, presents far more problems and risks of sex trafficking and the like. So when I say I'm for the legalization of prostitution, I mean something like what the brothels of Nevada have.

[Nerdsy]

[quote name='Retribution][size=1']Go ahead and legalize prostitution, because by the pro's logic, it would let it be safer and more regulated. The legalization of heroin and cocaine follow that same logic as well.[/size][/quote]

[color=deeppink]There's a difference between spreading disease and taking narcotics. No matter how regulated drugs like heroin and cocaine are, there's still a risk of overdose. Also, the very [i]act[/i] of taking something like heroin and cocaine is damaging in and of itself.

Again, with sex, anything damaging can be prevented with a [i]very[/i] high success rate. I believe in Nevada, STDs in the business are virtually unheard of.

Us pro's can recognise that situations may differ, and that one argument may not hold up for both of them. ; )

Any problems with land prices could be solved with regulation. Make sure they're doing business somewhere out of the way.[/color]

[Retribution]

[quote name='Nerdsy][color=deeppink]There's a difference between spreading disease and taking narcotics. No matter how regulated drugs like heroin and cocaine are, there's still a risk of overdose. Also, the very [i]act[/i'] of taking something like heroin and cocaine is damaging in and of itself.[/color][/quote]
[size=1]Yes, there is a difference, but they also have quite a bit in common. Spreading diseases is extremely bad, and it hurts others as well as just yourself. Taking narcotics hurts yourself, and in turn can damage your relationship with those around you. Yes, the very act of taking a narcotic is damaging in and of itself, but prostitution can be dangerous as well, especially in its current state.

[QUOTE]Again, with sex, anything damaging can be prevented with a [i]very[/i] high success rate. I believe in Nevada, STDs in the business are virtually unheard of.[/QUOTE]
I would personally like to see at least a bit of information on this Nevada case. I have a feeling it's being exalted as this gleaming example of how prostitution can work, when there are negatives being ignored.

[QUOTE]Us pro's can recognise that situations may differ, and that one argument may not hold up for both of them. ; )[/QUOTE]
Yes, the two situations may not hold up perfectly for both of them, but my main point is this: Both things, prostitution and narcotics are kind of dangerous in their current state (illegal and unregulated). Those in support of legalizing prostitution, I assume, would say it's only dangerous now because it's illegal, lacks regulation, and due to its illegal status is in higher demand. Through legalization, it would become relatively safe.

Likewise, with narcotics would become safer due to that regulation and society would be better off with it legalized so that shady stuff didn't happen with needles and overdosing and such. Furthermore, you should support this initiative, as you pro's seem to have adopted the "It's your own body, whatever" stance. By that logic, taking narcotics is completely justified, so long as they don't hurt someone else in the process.

Prostitution has great potential to hurt those involved in the business. Yes, you can regulate things, but the people involved in the brothel run an extremely high chance of getting an STD -- it only takes one guy infected with it to transmit it. And even if they get tested once a week, that lives a window of ~5 days to transmit that disease to others. And that's completely ignoring human trafficking that inevitably occurs to keep business going.

[QUOTE]Any problems with land prices could be solved with regulation. Make sure they're doing business somewhere out of the way.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, although you also have the problem of drugs and blue-collar crime following prostitution wherever it pops up.[/size]

[r2vq]

[color=#007520]Drugs and blue-collar crime are only a problem in an environment that allows drugs and blue collar crime to occur. Having the proper screening for drugs (in the same way that professional athletes should be screened) solves the problem of drugs. Having a professionally run brothel that takes care of the safety of their women would prevent any form of violence or crime that wouldn't be found in any other professional establishment.

What sort of crimes are you worried about exactly?

Street walkers, like BlueMoon mentioned, create problems like the ones we see today. They open up opportunities for slave trading and drug use. This should be illegal because it's unprofessional. Legal prostitution shouldn't be as unregulated as these street walkers allow. Having a prostitute on the corner of your street will bring down land value and diminish any hope of having a clean neighborhood appearance. But having strict laws that allow prostitution without allowing street walkers would help prevent that.

Drugs, should they be legalized? Your argument is that since it's not harming anybody but the consenting adult and regulating it would make it much safer, which are our arguments for prostitution. The difference is that in our arguments of monitoring prostitution wouldn't allow for as much harm as the allowing drugs would. As Nerdsy said, there's a [i]very high[/i] success rate for preventing any sort of harm for the consenting adults in question. Keep in mind that STD prevention comes not only from weekly doctor visits, but from properly practiced safe sex.
Allowing somebody to do drugs means a hundred percent chance of letting them get hurt. This is where the two arguments differ.

On a similar note... If I remember correctly, there are a few places in my city that allow the practice of monitored drug practice and will often give sterilized needles in exchange for dirty ones. Their argument is "They're going to do it anyway, it's best to prevent the spread of diseases by making sure they do it cleanly." These places also coach the users off the drugs to help them become less addicted. Of course... that's a totally different conversation altogether. :)

-r2[/color]

[Retribution]

[quote name='r2vq']Drugs and blue-collar crime are only a problem in an environment that allows drugs and blue collar crime to occur.[/quote]
[size=1]Prostitution is conducive to that environment. There is a strong correlation between prostitution and drugs/blue collar crime. Which causes the other is up for debate, but there is a strong link between the two.

[QUOTE]Having the proper screening for drugs (in the same way that professional athletes should be screened) solves the problem of drugs.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about within a brothel, I'm talking about in an area that has legal prostitution.

[QUOTE]Having a professionally run brothel that takes care of the safety of their women would prevent any form of violence or crime that wouldn't be found in any other professional establishment.[/QUOTE]
Fair point, but like Raiyuu kind of was getting at, brothels probably won't be able to stay open using volunteers (like signing up for a job). Therefore it is a fair assumption to make that human trafficking would continue to occur to support the industry.

[QUOTE]What sort of crimes are you worried about exactly?[/QUOTE]
Homicide, mugging, robbery, selling drugs... all of those have a strong correlation with prostitution.

[QUOTE]Street walkers, like BlueMoon mentioned, create problems like the ones we see today. They open up opportunities for slave trading and drug use.[/QUOTE]
Well, they exacerbate the problem, but human trafficking can still happen if people aren't walking around. I fail to see how keeping them in a building would make them any less susceptible "slavery," since trafficking gets them into the business, not on the corner necessarily.

[QUOTE]Having a prostitute on the corner of your street will bring down land value and diminish any hope of having a clean neighborhood appearance. But having strict laws that allow prostitution without allowing street walkers would help prevent that.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, and you're right here. But I think it's ridiculously difficult to regulate prostitution so that very little trafficking, STDs, or walkers are found. Like you said earlier, it'd need to be closer regulated than our water systems, which is quite a task. I can't help but feel it's easier to make it illegal rather than risk an increased number of human rights abuses, greater number of STD infections, and worrying about keeping walkers off the street.

[QUOTE]Drugs, should they be legalized? Your argument is that since it's not harming anybody but the consenting adult and regulating it would make it much safer, which are our arguments for prostitution. The difference is that in our arguments of monitoring prostitution wouldn't allow for as much harm as the allowing drugs would. As Nerdsy said, there's a [i]very high[/i] success rate for preventing any sort of harm for the consenting adults in question. Keep in mind that STD prevention comes not only from weekly doctor visits, but from properly practiced safe sex.
Allowing somebody to do drugs means a hundred percent chance of letting them get hurt. This is where the two arguments differ.[/QUOTE]
The big thing here is regulation. You're right, assuming prostitutes practice safe sex and everyone's tested. But the odds of that happening are slim unless a very powerful overseeing system is in place, and people will most of the time pay more for unprotected sex.

So I could see it being legalized if and only if the industry were subjected to very strict regulations that could be enforced quickly and efficiently. But the odds of that happening, at this point in time anyway, are pretty low.[/size]

[Nerdsy]

[quote name='Retribution][size=1']Yes, there is a difference, but they also have quite a bit in common. Spreading diseases is extremely bad, and it hurts others as well as just yourself. Taking narcotics hurts yourself, and in turn can damage your relationship with those around you. Yes, the very act of taking a narcotic is damaging in and of itself, but prostitution can be dangerous as well, especially in its current state.[/size][/quote]

[color=deeppink]Again, regulating prostitution would take away a great deal of the danger, whereas with drugs no amount of regulation can make taking them even remotely safe.

And no, I'm not saying regulation would make prostitution absolutely safe. Nothing is absolutely safe. I'm saying that it would make it safe [i]enough[/i] that there really aren't any grounds to keep it illegal.[/color]


[quote]I would personally like to see at least a bit of information on this Nevada case. I have a feeling it's being exalted as this gleaming example of how prostitution can work, when there are negatives being ignored.[/quote]

[color=deeppink]Well, for my first example, I was just using Nevada to show that prostitution wouldn't fold if legalized.

For the second, regarding the lack of HIV, I was a sourced statement from Wikipedia, but the linked source apparently doesn't exist anymore. So, here's [URL=http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/body/repro/nevada.html]this.[/URL] A little old, but it shows that regulation can work to halt the spread of disease.[/color]


[quote]Yes, the two situations may not hold up perfectly for both of them, but my main point is this: Both things, prostitution and narcotics are kind of dangerous in their current state (illegal and unregulated). Those in support of legalizing prostitution, I assume, would say it's only dangerous now because it's illegal, lacks regulation, and due to its illegal status is in higher demand. Through legalization, it would become relatively safe.[/quote]

[color=deeppink]Not safe enough to warrant legalization. Yes, regulating drugs would help to take care of a lot of the problems with illegal drugs, but they are still inherently dangerous. You can't OD off sex.[/color]

[quote]Likewise, with narcotics would become safer due to that regulation and society would be better off with it legalized so that shady stuff didn't happen with needles and overdosing and such. Furthermore, you should support this initiative, as you pro's seem to have adopted the "It's your own body, whatever" stance. By that logic, taking narcotics is completely justified, so long as they don't hurt someone else in the process.[/quote]

[color=deeppink]While some of the others have, I personally have not taken this position. I'm saying that, regulated, the risks involved in prostitution become low enough to be acceptable.

I don't [i]ever[/i] adhere to the "it's you own body" thing. Ever.[/color]

[quote]Prostitution has great potential to hurt those involved in the business. Yes, you can regulate things, but the people involved in the brothel run an extremely high chance of getting an STD -- it only takes one guy infected with it to transmit it. And even if they get tested once a week, that lives a window of ~5 days to transmit that disease to others. And that's completely ignoring human trafficking that inevitably occurs to keep business going.[/quote]

[color=deeppink]Let's put this into perspective. According to [URL=http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5402a1.htm]this,[/URL] at least HIV is hard enough to spread through sex without a condom, let alone with. Various others are curable, and also preventable with the use of a condom. The risk is not that high if protection is used.

Further, STDs have been noticably absent in Nevada brothels. Of course, this is from an unsourced Wikipedia statement, so take that as you will.

I'd say human trafficking is also not inevitable. I suppose that depends on what you look at it as. With a liberal enough interpretation, a job at McDonalds could be viewed as human trafficking.[/color]

[The13thMan]

[QUOTE=Retribution][size=1]Prostitution is conducive to that environment. There is a strong correlation between prostitution and drugs/blue collar crime. Which causes the other is up for debate, but there is a strong link between the two.


I'm not talking about within a brothel, I'm talking about in an area that has legal prostitution.


Fair point, but like Raiyuu kind of was getting at, brothels probably won't be able to stay open using volunteers (like signing up for a job). Therefore it is a fair assumption to make that human trafficking would continue to occur to support the industry.


Homicide, mugging, robbery, selling drugs... all of those have a strong correlation with prostitution.


Well, they exacerbate the problem, but human trafficking can still happen if people aren't walking around. I fail to see how keeping them in a building would make them any less susceptible "slavery," since trafficking gets them into the business, not on the corner necessarily.


Agreed, and you're right here. But I think it's ridiculously difficult to regulate prostitution so that very little trafficking, STDs, or walkers are found. Like you said earlier, it'd need to be closer regulated than our water systems, which is quite a task. I can't help but feel it's easier to make it illegal rather than risk an increased number of human rights abuses, greater number of STD infections, and worrying about keeping walkers off the street.


The big thing here is regulation. You're right, assuming prostitutes practice safe sex and everyone's tested. But the odds of that happening are slim unless a very powerful overseeing system is in place, and people will most of the time pay more for unprotected sex.

So I could see it being legalized if and only if the industry were subjected to very strict regulations that could be enforced quickly and efficiently. But the odds of that happening, at this point in time anyway, are pretty low.[/size][/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I think your argument that brothels won't be able to stay open with only volunteers is flawed. Have you any idea of how many people already willingly have sex for money in pornography? And hell, guys are sex crazy fiends, i'm sure we'll be able to get some horny dudes to sign up in brothels for the ladies. I honestly don't think it'll be a problem, except for in "nice" neighborhoods. But that won't be a problem. Who would stick a brothel there? It's like sticking a best buy in a mormon town!

Everybody else has already said most of what i thought of. Oh, the problem about the customers having an std, check them too! I never said having sex with a prostitute should be cheap! And hell, if you've got an std, then maybe you can have sex with a prostitute that has that same std. I don't know if that's a good thing or not, it's just an idea. I don't really know how stds work too well.

As for the slave trade of prostitutes, i think that'll go down as well. I mean...the only reason there is a slave trade of prostitutes is because there is a need of prostitutes. If you take care of that need, you'll take care of the slave trade. Maybe it won't be completely abolished, but it'll certainly go down a lot.

Hah, leave it up to the people at OB to mostly want to legalize prostitution! =D I thought most of you would be morally objected to the point of not wanting to legalize it!

Haha, later.


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[Nerdsy]

[color=deeppink]Retribution, when you talk about what accompanies prostitution (drugs, crime rates, etc) it seems you're talking about what accompanies [i]illegal[/i] prostitution. But there's a big difference between the effects of a legal activity and an illegal one.

Illegality begets illegality, that's obvious. But I'm going to need to see evidence of legal prostitution having the same effects before I'll accept your position.[/color]

[SunfallE]

[COLOR=RoyalBlue][quote name='The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic] I honestly don't think it'll be a problem, except for in "nice" neighborhoods. But that won't be a problem. Who would stick a brothel there? It's like sticking a best buy in a mormon town![/FONT'][/COLOR][/quote]I don't know where you got that idea since I live in a Mormon town and we do have a Best Buy. :therock: I pick up anime dvd's along with video games on a regular basis at Best Buy. Honestly there's just no comparison between Best Buy and a brothel. I can guarantee you that no Mormon is going to object to Best Buy being built or run in their town.

Anyway, as for the argument about it devaluing property and attracting more problems to where brothels are located. How many of you have even seen how it's done in Nevada? When I was working as a truck driver I drove past many of the legal brothels in Nevada on a regular basis. Many of them are a good distance from the main city and there is nothing there. And I do mean nothing, no gas stations, no stores, no homes, nothing at all. And there's no sign adverting it either as most of them are a good distance from the actual interstate.

So there is no surrounding property to be affected since businesses and residential structures are not even being built in that area and there isn't a location for people to hang around and start selling drugs, or stores to steal from. Legalizing it in that manner makes it easy to keep an eye on since the isolation makes it harder to hide anything illegal going on.

And it neatly keeps it out of sight of those who oppose it due to religious or moral reasons, which shouldn't be a factor when deciding if someone is allowed to have sex. Because in the end if they are consenting adults if they want to have sex that's their business and if they want to sell having sex to someone, so long as they follow rules like any business that sells a service, I don't see a problem with making it legal, if it's carefully controlled. [/COLOR]

[Roleni-Chan]

I dont mind as long as there is no infection, Now thats nasty. This is the decade of Sex, drugs and violence. In South Central, its nothing new.

[Skye]

[size=1][color=red]Is it just me, or does every state have a Clark county? Sorry, ref. to the first page of this.

I'm personally neither for or against it. As long as it is adults (18 and UP!) who like doing it, or want to, not because someone tells them that's all they're good for or some such nonsense, why not? I mean, would you tell a manga-ka he can't draw because he wants to? No, what I have a personal aversion to is the human traficking and the young girls and boys that get forced into it. In my opinion, prostitution should be legal, and like most other jobs, have an age restriction, customer service rules, and minimum wage. :p

'Nuff said.[/size][/color]

[Boo]

[quote name='The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]As for the slave trade of prostitutes, i think that'll go down as well. I mean...the only reason there is a slave trade of prostitutes is because there is a need of prostitutes. If you take care of that need, you'll take care of the slave trade. Maybe it won't be completely abolished, but it'll certainly go down a lot.[/FONT'][/COLOR][/quote][size=1]Eh, no. You'd just give them one less problem when it comes to forcing girls into prostitution. The decrease of slave trade would very likely [i]not[/i] go down "a lot", if you ask me. But you're not asking me, because I come from a country where prostitution is rather ... normal.[/size]
[quote name='SunfallE][COLOR=RoyalBlue']I don't know where you got that idea since I live in a Mormon town and we do have a Best Buy. :therock: I pick up anime dvd's along with video games on a regular basis at Best Buy. Honestly there's just no comparison between Best Buy and a brothel. I can guarantee you that no Mormon is going to object to Best Buy being built or run in their town.[/COLOR][/quote][size=1]The13thMan just got dissed by SunFallE. I feel so happy. =D

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[The13thMan]

[QUOTE=SunfallE][COLOR=RoyalBlue]I don't know where you got that idea since I live in a Mormon town and we do have a Best Buy. :therock: I pick up anime dvd's along with video games on a regular basis at Best Buy. Honestly there's just no comparison between Best Buy and a brothel. I can guarantee you that no Mormon is going to object to Best Buy being built or run in their town.
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[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Wow, way to get offended by a simile. Nice one.

My point was, there's not going to be a brothel in an area that has no need for brothels. The best buy mormon deal was simply that mormons don't use electricity, or at least that's what people think. I don't really know, i'm not mormon.

And, are you mormon?

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[QUOTE=Boo]
Eh, no. You'd just give them one less problem when it comes to forcing girls into prostitution. The decrease of slave trade would very likely not go down "a lot", if you ask me. But you're not asking me, because I come from a country where prostitution is rather ... normal.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Ah, seems to me like somebody's never heard of supply and demand. Let me break it down for you. There is an inverse relationship between the two, as in, if one goes up the other goes down. If the amount of prostitutes go up the need for them will go down. And if there is less of a need of prostitutes there will be a less of a need of the slave trade of prostitutes. It's fairly simple logic, my friend. Of course, i'm only speaking within the united states. I'm sure it'll continue in third world contries and all that crap.
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[SunfallE]

[COLOR=RoyalBlue][QUOTE=The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Wow, way to get offended by a simile. Nice one.

My point was, there's not going to be a brothel in an area that has no need for brothels. The best buy mormon deal was simply that mormons don't use electricity, or at least that's what people think. I don't really know, i'm not mormon.

And, are you mormon?[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]Both of you missed my point. >_< Not offended, but surprised by a simile that was so wildly inaccurate. Because there really is no comparison, now if you were to say it was like sticking a bar in a Mormon town that would have made sense as people here have a cow over the few that do exist.

My point is that your simile implied Mormons were so uptight they felt threated by a store that sold movies, games, electronic equipment, etc. And that was a fallacy not a simile.

As for the electricity bit, don't you know? My computer and internet is powered by a gerbil running in it's wheel. Shhh! Don't tell the neighbors! :p

As for am I Mormon? I was when I was a kid, no avoiding the parents dragging me whether or not I wanted to go, but church is something I haven't gone to since I moved out. So right now, I'm not a Mormon or part of any religion. ^_~

[B]Edit:[/B] Oh and by the way, I think you are confusing Mormons with the Amish. [/COLOR]

[Nerdsy]

[QUOTE=The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Wow, way to get offended by a simile. Nice one.

My point was, there's not going to be a brothel in an area that has no need for brothels. The best buy mormon deal was simply that mormons don't use electricity, or at least that's what people think. I don't really know, i'm not mormon.

And, are you mormon?

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[color=deeppink]Yeah, Sunfall didn't seem to be offended. More like, she noticed a wildly innaccurate comparison and corrected you.

EDIT: Okay, wrote this before she posted. So yeah. Called it almost word for word![/color]


[quote][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Ah, seems to me like somebody's never heard of supply and demand. Let me break it down for you. There is an inverse relationship between the two, as in, if one goes up the other goes down. If the amount of prostitutes go up the need for them will go down. And if there is less of a need of prostitutes there will be a less of a need of the slave trade of prostitutes. It's fairly simple logic, my friend. Of course, i'm only speaking within the united states. I'm sure it'll continue in third world contries and all that crap.
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[color=deeppink]Let's not oversimplify here. In practice, it turns out, "sex slavery" does [i]not[/i] go down with the legalization.

Let's put it this way; hydrocodones are legal, yes? However, they're regulated and you can only get them (legally) with a prescription. Of course, they're still bought and sold illegally. It's really the same with prostitution; the regulation would still allow for an illegal trade.

Besides, supply and demand isn't some all-powerful force that makes everything better. To put it simply, if it's done illegally, the pimp or whoever is going to make more money by exploiting his or her workers. They have no incentive to go legal.[/color]

[Retribution]

[quote name='Nerdsy][color=deeppink']Illegality begets illegality, that's obvious. But I'm going to need to see evidence of legal prostitution having the same effects before I'll accept your position.[/color][/quote]
[size=1]Regulation of prostitution is no small task, and if you're willing to commit the resources necessary to it then go ahead and try. But if you legalize prostitution and cannot effectively enforce regulations, then it's quite possible you'll have more brothels with no comparable increase in regulation. Until we can regulate prostitution "closer than water supply" as r2vq said, I am adamantly opposed.

Because of legalization without effective regulation, you'll still have walkers, STDs, and trafficking, but on a broader scale.

Now personally, I don't think it feasible at this moment to put forth the funding and government man-power to regulate prostitution (and we really shouldn't be spending taxes on prostitution regulation at times like these anyway, lol). I would assume something comparable to the FDA would need to be created in order to ensure worker and client safety, as well as community integrity.[/size]

[Nerdsy]

[quote name='Retribution][size=1']Regulation of prostitution is no small task, and if you're willing to commit the resources necessary to it then go ahead and try. But if you legalize prostitution and cannot effectively enforce regulations, then it's quite possible you'll have more brothels with no comparable increase in regulation. Until we can regulate prostitution "closer than water supply" as r2vq said, I am adamantly opposed.[/size][/quote]

[color=deeppink]It's currently being regulated effectively. On a small scale, yes, but I never said regulation had to be federal.[/color]

[quote]Because of legalization without effective regulation, you'll still have walkers, STDs, and trafficking, but on a broader scale.[/quote]

[color=deeppink]I suppose I should clarify; I'm really only saying legalize brothels. Walkers should stay illegal, as it would really be all that much harder to regulate and would completely cancel out my suggestion to keep them out of the way.

Besdies, walkers wouldn't really increase if brothels were made legal. Nor would they decrease. They're really a problem unrelated to brothels.[/color]

[quote]Now personally, I don't think it feasible at this moment to put forth the funding and government man-power to regulate prostitution (and we really shouldn't be spending taxes on prostitution regulation at times like these anyway, lol). I would assume something comparable to the FDA would need to be created in order to ensure worker and client safety, as well as community integrity.[/QUOTE]

[color=deeppink]Well... if we were to tax brothels, we'd get the money to regulate it. Businesses help fund the government, after all, so more would help. I'm not saying it's as simple as that, but it is a factor to consider.

Besides, who knows how many other businesses this could invigorate.[/color]

[Retribution]

[quote name='Nerdsy][color=deeppink']It's currently being regulated effectively. On a small scale, yes, but I never said regulation had to be federal.[/color][/quote]
[size=1]It might have to be if you're pushing for like a widespread legalization of prostitution.
[QUOTE][color=deeppink]Well... if we were to tax brothels, we'd get the money to regulate it. Businesses help fund the government, after all, so more would help. I'm not saying it's as simple as that, but it is a factor to consider.[/color][/QUOTE]
I suppose, but we also need to contribute taxes to the government to pay for government services.[/size]

[The13thMan]

[QUOTE=SunfallE][COLOR=RoyalBlue]Both of you missed my point. >_< Not offended, but surprised by a simile that was so wildly inaccurate. Because there really is no comparison, now if you were to say it was like sticking a bar in a Mormon town that would have made sense as people here have a cow over the few that do exist.

My point is that your simile implied Mormons were so uptight they felt threated by a store that sold movies, games, electronic equipment, etc. And that was a fallacy not a simile.

As for the electricity bit, don't you know? My computer and internet is powered by a gerbil running in it's wheel. Shhh! Don't tell the neighbors! :p

As for am I Mormon? I was when I was a kid, no avoiding the parents dragging me whether or not I wanted to go, but church is something I haven't gone to since I moved out. So right now, I'm not a Mormon or part of any religion. ^_~

[B]Edit:[/B] Oh and by the way, I think you are confusing Mormons with the Amish. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Oh shoot! You're right, i was confusing mormon with amish. It's all coming back to me now! Amish Paradise! Gah, i feel dumb. Oh well... sorry 'bout all of that.

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[Hanabishi Recca]

Ah, I don't see anything wrong with it. I basically look at it as sex, but with one side getting paid. *shrugs* There is nothing really wrong with it for that reason. Its not likes its rape or anything. Sometimes, men have a hard time getting it on *laughs*