Hentai and Bigger Stuff!

[Zen]

[QUOTE=BKstyles][font=tahoma]It is rather unfortunate that this is somewhat true. I know you tend to rest a lot on your name because you've managed to coax many members over the years (you'll have to forgive me i'm not looking at your profile right now to see exactly how long you've been here, fairly long i'm sure) who don't know better themselves into the idea that regardless of what the content of something is, if it has a certain name on it then it must mean it's instantly credible and intellectual. Whether it's true or not, the formula isn't reliable because it becomes susceptible to manipulation once you've gained a certain amount of miscontrued trust. Though now that actual words are needing to be said, you'll find that the actual intellegent members involved here won't be swayed by the past laurels of your name or contributions solely. This is the most civil and straightforward way of saying it in order to let you know it'll take a little more then claiming who you are and then expecting a flock to your argument however effortless it is.

I know a lot of us on both sides have been reiterating a lot of points, but the more i see the points in favor of these proposals the more and more weak they seem. Not to mention in your last one specifically, you are relying in the fact that you will be degenerating the atmosphere of OB in order to induce change on the user whether they are willing or not. It takes away from the kind of community OB is for you to say "If you have 56K, too F***king bad, go get cable or DSL". Sometimes it isn't about not wanting to keep up with the times, sometimes it's about money. Once upon a time I had to wait several years to get my cable modem when 56k was starting to become obsolete. I don't see why members should be put in that kind of situation. [/font][/QUOTE]

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[b]QFT - Charles[/b]

OtakuBoards are the message boards of the future. If we wish to make any kind of effort to move on with our lives, we must be given the freedoms that 56K connections do not allow. Progress can only be made at the expense of those who are unable to adapt. It's called natural selection. Evolve or be left behind.[/color][/size]

[Charles]

You must have made that quote up, Nonentity. Boy, you almost had me going there for a moment though. There is no way that Bkstyles could be foolish enough to say that I rest on my name. Otakuties, Otakupedia, Project Gamer, Newbie Lounge, Make your own Motivation Poster, Put on Your Red Shoes and Dance and the thread ratings debate are hardly examples of where I simply beat my chest and throw my name around while offering no substance in my posts.

You [I]almost[/I] had be going there. You sly dog, you!

[TheResplendent]

[QUOTE=Nonentity]...what the **** is wrong with you? What kind of terrorist are you? Get the hell out of here! An OB without porn is a forgettable wasteland of a website! These boards are dying, and porn can save them!!!

Also, BK: Not true. Even intelligent people follow Charles' name. Why do you think this is so big?[/QUOTE]

[font=tahoma]I certainly think someone is confused as well...or it could just be he sees how senseless the argument [i]for[/i] is. In reference to the latter part of your quote, I believe that was explained already...go take a read before ya quote and post :p.

As for me being ignored, they do say that ignorance is bliss...*shrug*. Works for some.[/font]

[2010DigitalBoy]

[QUOTE=The Boss][color=darkred][size=1]

[b]QFT - Charles[/b]

OtakuBoards are the message boards of the future. If we wish to make any kind of effort to move on with our lives, we must be given the freedoms that 56K connections do not allow. Progress can only be made at the expense of those who are unable to adapt. It's called natural selection. Evolve or be left behind.[/color][/size][/QUOTE]

Reading that makes me want to yell Hail Neo Zeon! For some reason. Anyhow, I agree with this wholeheartedly. Those who can't catch up should just go hang out in some old folks home. If you can't keep the pace, drop out of the race. OB is a super-hyper-futuristic website and ****. We're ahead of the game. We should act like it. Hell, there's even a member here with the name 21st Century Digital Boy! (who, by the way, is a fine, fine chap XD)

[Treble]

[QUOTE=Premonition][b]I heard that 2007DigitalBoy was a complete douche! :p

But after admitting my obseession, I still think it's not a good idea. But still we should have a hentai form. Damn it all to hell, now I'm confused... :mad: [/b][/QUOTE]The fact that you are confused as to what you really want shows how wrong it is to have hentai here. If hentai can mess with the minds of young ones, then I am afraid that hentai does not belong here on OB.

[Zen]

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Disregard Premonition. His fate has been sealed.


The fact of the matter is, OB can still coincide with a younger audience and still have the Hentai forum. All there need be is a confirmed password and some form of reassurance that said person is of the legal age.

As for the larger banners, my stance remains the same and my mind has not been changed by your illogical rantings.[/color][/size]

[2010DigitalBoy]

[QUOTE=Premonition][B]I heard that 2007DigitalBoy was a complete douche! :p
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Really? I heard he had a mind to beat your face in, burn all your ****** stories in a giant bonfire and force you to actually have to listen to the origional Lake of blood read over and over for all eternity!

BTW, ignore Prem. He's an idiot, obviously.

anyway, I think we should have said password protected forum, cuz you can't possibly give one good reason otherwise.

[Aberinkula]

[B]I'm only kidding! I know what should be. its freedom of speech right? We can say we want it, and we can have it. The way I see it freedom of the press inncludes porn as well. So I say bring on the hentai, as long as we don't go overboard. That's pretty reasonable.[/B]

[I][B]P.S. Nonentity, I was kidding. That guy's pretty awesome if I do say so my self. In fact without him, I wouldn't have mustered the courage to keep on writing.[/B][/I]

[Semjaza]

I might be crazy, but usually if you have to write 25 paragraphs about why something is not necessary it kind of proves that the argument isn't as simple as you're claiming. Hence, it gives the impression that maybe your argument isn't quite as "right" as you claim. If there was a major, clear reason why OB shouldn't have any of these things, it should be stated clearly and succinctly.

Simply defending what OB already does is not a difficult thing to do. It doesn't require 10,000 words and quotes. The actual jargon used by those on the opposite side of the spectrum is irrelevant to this because you already have the upper hand by default. What you're arguing for already exists.

Arguing for something to change is another story. These people don't have the benefit of being able to fall back on "well, them's the rules". They have to figure out angles to convince people who have already settled on something. I can understand their reasoning at least.

Telling people to go elsewhere for something that clearly is related is completely counterproductive. Other sites deal with anime, some arguably better, so should Otakuboards ignore anime entirely since people can go there instead? If we continue with that course of action, we'd wind up with like two dozen sites on the Internet.

I, for one, don't feel that the gradual removal of anime has to do with less interest in it in general (certainly the success of other anime sites and anime sales in general back this up), but rather less interest in general from those in charge of the forums here. The site is continuously pushing the interests and goals of a select few as those of every one here. That's the only thing that isn't [I]fair[/I]. I feel that the general user base has very little say in the way this place is headed, which is increasingly bizarre as time goes on.

We're then given increasingly bizarre reasons as to why this is happening. That the site is of no relation to theOtaku (in fact, it seems as though some people get uppity when the two are put in the same sentence), that something as intrinsic to this site's foundation as anime no longer "matters".

[I]Most importantly[/I], arguing that this place is "family" friendly when I can find numerous threads about sexually explicit (which apparently is on a fine line before it crosses into "unacceptable" for whatever reason) or hyper-violent anime within a minute seems rather fruitless. Let's not even discuss the Arena, where violence and swearing have become almost the de facto standard.

So, I guess if you see no contradictions between saying it's "OK" for me to imagine and continuously write about a character that abuses women, tortures animals, has a weird blood obsession and explicitly and violently kills large groups of people, while simultaneously telling me that it's not "OK" for me to talk about fictional tentacle sex then we're on a totally different plane of existence.

[Aberinkula]

[B]We should leave this whole thing up to our mothers. personnaly as much as it seems cool, it's actually not. Yes this is my final decision, but I'm for it. No hentai, we should leave OB as it is. But as for sig length, well that's up to the mods and admins mostly.

So for the hentai, I say nay.[/B]

[Shy]

[size=1]It's obvious we're dragging this argument away from what the original intent was. If you think there is a large demand for a hentai forum, prove it.

Make a thread about hentai in the Anime Lounge, and discuss it. See how active that is. I dare you.

-Shy[/size]

[Zen]

[QUOTE=Shy][size=1]It's obvious we're dragging this argument away from what the original intent was. If you think there is a large demand for a hentai forum, prove it.

Make a thread about hentai in the Anime Lounge, and discuss it. See how active that is. I dare you.

-Shy[/size][/QUOTE]
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Already done, my friend. Now you'll see just how many Otakus truly are in favor of the forum. Prepared to have your mind blown.

(and I mean that in the dirtiest way possible.)[/color][/size]

[Aaryanna_Mom]

[QUOTE=Charles]Allamorph, I would argue with your post but there is no way I am wading through all of that. If you need to type that much to prove your point, you are obviously making stuff up.

Why is it okay that RPGs can feature graphic violence on OtakuBoards, but we shy away from viewing a natural human function that everyone does? It is just a fact of life.

Also, someone mentioned that our side of the debate is seeking to exclude people from OtakuBoards by encouraging larger image sizes. On the contrary, this measure would finally give 56k stragglers the incentive to finally get with the times.

Furthermore, your side lost complete credibility when Nerdsy said that I am irrelevant. I could post a suggestion about toilet paper and it would get over one-hundred replies and change the boards in some way.[/QUOTE]Just as Nerdsy said that you are irrelevant, you lost creditability by assuming that Allamorph was making things up since he had something to say, instead of taking the time to refute what he wrote. Also there is a big difference between mature RPG (which by the way are rated) And X rated materials that by law cannot be provided to members who are minors.

I find it interesting that you would not only force your tastes on others but also require them to upgrade to be able to browse the internet at the same ability you do. Perhaps it is you who needs to get with the times and realize that hentai is not a good choice for OB due to the liability issues as well as driving away other members who have no interest. I fail to see the fun in forcing others to be exposed to a medium they do not enjoy or to have to get better Internet to even browse. And remember kiddies, and I do mean kiddies, there are still millions of people who do not live in big towns. Who do not have things like cable Internet and so forth. Lets not become elitist and arrogant due to having better services. That will only alienate a good number of people instead of making the boards more fun.

We should hold a vote, and remember that excludes those who are not legally old enough to even be allowed to view it. And do post that thing about TP, rest assured, I am not swayed by names or the implication that a name somehow makes an idea great.

And before anyone else thinks that your group is all for bringing about fun to OB. It seems that poor Prem who was at least willing to question things, to think for himself was ruthlessly slaughtered by your group. I wonder what other poor souls will fall should any of you come into power. And OB become the fun place that you have envisioned.

[Zen]

[QUOTE=Aaryanna_Mom]
And before anyone else thinks that your group is all for bringing about fun to OB. It seems that poor Prem who was at least willing to question things, to think for himself was ruthlessly slaughtered by your group. I wonder what other poor souls will fall should any of you come into power. And OB become the fun place that you have envisioned.[/QUOTE]
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Prem was obviously confused or underneath the influence of some outside force. My assumption will remain nameless.

However, you seem to fear the inevitable good times which shall be rolling once we are victorious. Our vision is beautiful, it need not be feared unless you are in fact, anti-fun.

And another thing, how would our good James be at fault should an underage person mis-use or lie to him in order to gain access to material otherwise illegal for said individual? It is not James, but the user who is at fault. Should I remind you, aswell, that we do not wish for a haven to store or view hentai, but simply, a place to exclusively discuss it without the threat of 'offending' anyone who would mistakingly click on a thread clearly labeled as a hentai thread.

We are actually doing a good thing by simply requesting an area to have these mature discussions. We doubt anyone is going to mistakingly click two or three times, and then just FIND themselves in a hentai lounge. If our demands are met, no one has a chance of being offended, as long as they can properly read.[/color][/size]

[2010DigitalBoy]

You act like having a hentai forum forces people to click on it. Do you have 0 free will whatsoever? Do you automatically have to click on the hentai page? Can't you just ignore it and post on in the regular forums? I think it seems awful shallow if you left OB because it had a porn section and you just don't want to be associated with it. I'd go so far as to call you a bad oerson for that, in fact.

Yeah, I do kind of think it was ****** up what happened to Prem, especially since he didn't take it lightly, but our group activities and this thread are not to be connected, miss. I belive that's what you call bringing in convenient evidence.

[Aberinkula]

[COLOR=Navy][B]Even though I've already got one at home... I love my mommy![/B][/COLOR]

[Dagger]

[quote name='Nonentity'] I belive that's what you call bringing in convenient evidence.[/quote]
I channel the spirit of Hercule Poirot to ask: what, so they're supposed to bring in [i]inconvenient[/i] evidence? :p

~Dagger~

[2010DigitalBoy]

[QUOTE=Dagger]I channel the spirit of Hercule Poirot to ask: what, so they're supposed to bring in [i]inconvenient[/i] evidence? :p

~Dagger~[/QUOTE]

precisely. Things you have to work to come up with are always inconvenient. Tis life.

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]The fate of [strike]OB[/strike] the world rests in the hands of the anti-titty and pro-titty organizations.

Much will be sacrificed in the coming days as we enter a period of total, supple war.[/color]

[Aaryanna_Mom]

[QUOTE=The Boss][color=darkred][size=1]

Prem was obviously confused or underneath the influence of some outside force. My assumption will remain nameless.

However, you seem to fear the inevitable good times which shall be rolling once we are victorious. Our vision is beautiful, it need not be feared unless you are in fact, anti-fun.

And another thing, how would our good James be at fault should an underage person mis-use or lie to him in order to gain access to material otherwise illegal for said individual? It is not James, but the user who is at fault. Should I remind you, aswell, that we do not wish for a haven to store or view hentai, but simply, a place to exclusively discuss it without the threat of 'offending' anyone who would mistakingly click on a thread clearly labeled as a hentai thread.

We are actually doing a good thing by simply requesting an area to have these mature discussions. We doubt anyone is going to mistakingly click two or three times, and then just FIND themselves in a hentai lounge. If our demands are met, no one has a chance of being offended, as long as they can properly read.[/color][/size][/QUOTE]I like how you've justified the wanton slaughter of someone trying to think for themselves instead of blindly following along with the majority.

The only thing I fear is allowing a mob, yes a mob, to decide for everyone instead of following a more democratic method. You seem to have glossed over my suggestion to vote. Or is that because many in your ranks would be unable to vote due to age restrictions?

And correct me if I am wrong but Charles was talking about fraping (and yes I do know what that means) while viewing images. Are you saying his implication that he wanted explicit images to assist him in this respect was but a lie? That all of you merely wanted to discuss it? Please clear up that contradiction since there is a big difference between discussing hentai and hosting actual images of said content.[QUOTE=Nonentity]You act like having a hentai forum forces people to click on it. Do you have 0 free will whatsoever? Do you automatically have to click on the hentai page? Can't you just ignore it and post on in the regular forums? I think it seems awful shallow if you left OB because it had a porn section and you just don't want to be associated with it. I'd go so far as to call you a bad oerson for that, in fact.

Yeah, I do kind of think it was ****** up what happened to Prem, especially since he didn't take it lightly, but our group activities and this thread are not to be connected, miss. I belive that's what you call bringing in convenient evidence.[/QUOTE]*spanks* Remember, you legally are not old enough to have a voice here young man. Come back when you are legally old enough to demand Hentai. And leave the name calling out of it. Laws exist for a reason, when you are older feel free to lobby and change the laws so that youngsters such as yourself can demand hentai.

[2010DigitalBoy]

[quote name='Aaryanna_Mom']*spanks* Remember, you legally are not old enough to have a voice here young man. Come back when you are legally old enough to demand Hentai. And leave the name calling out of it. Laws exist for a reason, when you are older feel free to lobby and change the laws so that youngsters such as yourself can demand hentai.[/quote]

:p Where I live, porn is legal to kids of all ages! And anywho, laws exist for a reason, but it's a very stupid reason, and it deserves to be suitcase-bombed :o

[DeathKnight]

[quote name='Nonentity']:p Where I live, porn is legal to kids of all ages! And anywho, laws exist for a reason, but it's a very stupid reason, and it deserves to be suitcase-bombed :o[/quote]

[color=crimson]I'm still not able to tell how much of this thread is serious or not.

If you're being serious here 2k7NonEntityBoy then this is a good indicator of your age.[/color]

[Zen]

[QUOTE=Aaryanna_Mom]I like how you've justified the wanton slaughter of someone trying to think for themselves instead of blindly following along with the majority.

The only thing I fear is allowing a mob, yes a mob, to decide for everyone instead of following a more democratic method. You seem to have glossed over my suggestion to vote. Or is that because many in your ranks would be unable to vote due to age restrictions?

And correct me if I am wrong but Charles was talking about fraping (and yes I do know what that means) while viewing images. Are you saying his implication that he wanted explicit images to assist him in this respect was but a lie? That all of you merely wanted to discuss it? Please clear up that contradiction since there is a big difference between discussing hentai and hosting actual images of said content.[/quote][color=darkred][size=1]

I don't believe Charles specified just where this hentai would be hosted. He simply said there would be hentai, and he would be fraping to it. I'm sure Charles agrees with this statement.[/color][/size]

[quote]
*spanks* Remember, you legally are not old enough to have a voice here young man. Come back when you are legally old enough to demand Hentai. And leave the name calling out of it. Laws exist for a reason, when you are older feel free to lobby and change the laws so that youngsters such as yourself can demand hentai.[/QUOTE]
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*spank*? Hm... I'll mark that one down as innapropriate touching, madam.[/color][/size]

[Aaryanna_Mom]

[QUOTE=The Boss][color=darkred][size=1]I don't believe Charles specified just where this hentai would be hosted. He simply said there would be hentai, and he would be fraping to it. I'm sure Charles agrees with this statement.[/color][/size]
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*spank*? Hm... I'll mark that one down as innapropriate touching, madam.[/color][/size][/QUOTE]His post here suggests otherwise:[quote name='Charles] At least they could relieve tension by[B] lusting after fictional cartoons instead of stalking real ones on the Internet[/B]. Furthermore, [B]if you do not want to see the hentai,[/B] then [I]it's not for you.[/I] [B]Do not visit that area of the forums[/B']. Who are you to tell me that I cannot fap while browsing OtakuBoards?[/quote]If he didn't need to have it hosted at OB then why is there a push for it? And if OB was not to host it why would he say if you don't want to see it don't visit that part of the forums? I assure you, I read what was written. It was not a [I]I want to be able to discuss it[/I], it was [I]I want to view it and if you don't like it just stay out of that part of the forums[/I]. So yes he did specify where it would be hosted.

As for inappropriate touching. A parent disciplining a child is not inappropriate young man. Though if it makes you feel better I'll contact his parents and have them do it physically instead of a verbal spank via Internet. ;)

[Zen]

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He may be referring to the idea of posting some pictures of the hentai discussed in the forum. I.E. "The Anime Picture Caption Contest" or something similar to that. It is also a possiblity that Charles, like Charles always does, was being sarcastic and joking. Finding humor to be a way to provide an extreme example in order to loosen the strict ideals that SOME PEOPLE are trying to force onto others.

We aren't asking for the OBs to be exclusive to Hentai fans. We just want the hentai fan to be INCLUDED on the OBs.[/color][/size]