ever deadly cancer sticks (thread for smokers)

[Odin M Yggdrasi]

I find the smell of cigarette smoke to be quite offensive, which is suprising since there are a lot of other combustion byproducts that are relaxing when I detect them.

For some reason, cigarette smoke smells worse to me than trying to burn damp lawn clippings, while the fumes from a woodstove or campfire smell pleasant, and the exhaust of a coal stove brings back memories to the years at the county fair when I learned blacksmithing- they smell like the forge does, and like the forge I built does.

There's a variety of smells that I like, but that is one that I really don't like. I'll be really glad when next semester the college I attend will be completely smoke free- they are banning tobacco on campus at the end of this semester.

[LostProphet]

I've smoked since my 18th Birthday. Yep. Buddy of mine said I wouldn't buy a pack....bought it and took it a step further. Only time I haven't smoked since is during Basic Training when I wasn't allowed.

I smoke Marlboro Lights at home, but they disappear quickly at our base in the Mid-East, so I smoke Camel Lights over there.

[Gavin]

[quote name='Revolver'][COLOR="Olive"]I agree with Gavin, even though I never knew Ireland banned smoking from bars. But if it works![/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[SIZE="1"]It's more than that, it's a ban on smoking in all enclosed public places, i.e. bars, restaurants, shops, etc. all on top of the ban on smoking in state buildings like libraries, hospitals and the like. Originally a lot of bar owners were worried it would badly affect their business, but so far, drinks revenue is actually up, given that people who never went into bars because of the smoke can enjoy the occasional drink.[/SIZE]

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='Gavin'][SIZE="1"]It's more than that, it's a ban on smoking in all enclosed public places, i.e. bars, restaurants, shops, etc. all on top of the ban on smoking in state buildings like libraries, hospitals and the like. Originally a lot of bar owners were worried it would badly affect their business, but so far, drinks revenue is actually up, given that people who never went into bars because of the smoke can enjoy the occasional drink.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

[color=#9933ff][font=lucida calligraphy]That sounds like what they've done in New York. You can't smoke in the Casinos, you can't smoke anywhere near the hospitals, ect ect.

But you can still smoke in designated areas in public places... appearantly that means the gas pump! I swear some smokers are idiots. I was pumping my gas tonight and the guy at the pump next to me was smoking away! :animeswea

I wish they'd try the no smoking thing in Las Vegas. Really when you're in some of the Casinos there you can smoke half a pack while you go through five dollars on the slot machines.[/color][/font]

[DeathKnight]

[quote name='ChibiHorsewoman'][color=#9933ff][font=lucida calligraphy]I wish they'd try the no smoking thing in Las Vegas. Really when you're in some of the Casinos there you can smoke half a pack while you go through five dollars on the slot machines.[/color][/font][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson]Yeah it's uncomfortable to have to deal with people's bad habits while gambling.[/color]

[Gavin]

[quote name='ChibiHorsewoman'][color=#9933ff][font=lucida calligraphy]But you can still smoke in designated areas in public places... apparently that means the gas pump! I swear some smokers are idiots. I was pumping my gas tonight and the guy at the pump next to me was smoking away! :animeswea[/color][/font][/QUOTE]

[SIZE="1"]The fact I just saw Zoolander for the first time makes that quote creepily apt. :animesmil[/SIZE]

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='DeathKnight'][color=crimson]Yeah it's uncomfortable to have to deal with people's bad habits while gambling.[/color][/QUOTE]

[color=#9933ff][font=lucida calligraphy]But I'm not there to gamble! I just go to press buttons and go to the Sephora in the Venetian then the one at the Aladdin![/color][/font]

[Metalcore501]

I myself a smoker surprisingly hate the smell myself as well as the taste, the only thing I find keeping me going is the addiction itself. So I don't really want to quit, what I hate is when people preech at us smokers! its annoying and stupid, if we wanna kill ourselfs then let us! And Revolver, In todays world Sientific evidance affects everything. Without it it can't or in this case shouldn't be spread, I've told you this before but pot is FAR worse than a ciggerett! The tar is like doubled, and if im correct has far more carbon monoxide.

On a side note I think I'll start a thread for ONLY smokers...

[Gavin]

[quote name='Metalcore501']And Revolver, in today's world scientific evidence affects everything. Without it, it can't or in this case shouldn't be spread, I've told you this before but pot is FAR worse than a cigarette! The tar is like doubled, and if I'm correct has far more carbon monoxide.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE="1"]Your also forgetting the serious mental and psychological side-effects of long term marijuana abuse.[/SIZE]

[Metalcore501]

[quote name='Gavin'][SIZE="1"]Your also forgetting the serious mental and psychological side-effects of long term marijuana abuse.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

Ohyeah didn't even think of that Gavin, yeah AND mental and psychological side-effects of long term marijuana abuse revolver so Mr. Gunboy put that in your pipe and smoke it...... or bong whichever works for you..... :animenose :animeswea

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]Jumping off of cliffs also has been shown to have a higher rate of long-term suffering physically and psychologically. Many studies into the ramifications of jumping off of cliffs shows that it's much, much worse than smoking and can lead to death, broken bones, phobias, wounds, and pregnancy problems.

I mean, really, smoking is very tame by comparison so I think most of us should get off of our high horses.[/color]

[Aberinkula]

[COLOR="Olive"]Okay Metalcore, whatever. All I said was I don't mind it. So there's no bong for me, cause I'd never do it. Plus I didn't say a word about the side-effects. So there's nothing for you to shove. And if you want to die so be it, your just giving in to the addiction. But you'll regret it someday. And when that time comes you'll be saying "I wish I haden't have done that." so don't complain if it's killing you, because you brought it upon yourself. And if not, well good luck having a crappy life.

I may sound rude, but it's the truth. Most know that they could die from smoking, then they complain that they are dying, it's just so stupid to hear. if anyone fo my relatives did that, I'd say don't come to me, it's your burden to abre, and it should be yours alone. I'm surprisd it isn't illegal already, it should be. Some places are just to ignorant to make ciggarettes illegal. Techniquely smoking shouldn't be called a slow suicide, it shuld be called a slow homicide.[/COLOR]

[Morpheus]

[quote name='DeathKnight'][color=crimson]Jumping off of cliffs also has been shown to have a higher rate of long-term suffering physically and psychologically. Many studies into the ramifications of jumping off of cliffs shows that it's much, much worse than smoking and can lead to death, broken bones, phobias, wounds, and pregnancy problems.

I mean, really, smoking is very tame by comparison so I think most of us should get off of our high horses.[/color][/QUOTE]

I agree. If there's any logic that is sound 100% of the time it's that there is something worse that's not occurring.

Let's say, for example, that I am contemplating whether or not to stab myself in the foot. Stabbing is bad, right? But I can do it fine and well, since shooting myself in the head would be much worse. Stabbing myself in the foot will certainly kill me slower, right?

Same concept. There were worse guys than Hussein out there, but that didn't make him a saint.

[Aaryanna_Mom]

[quote name='Metalcore501;791201] for those of you who dont smoke what do you think of smoking? [/QUOTE]I think it's a bad habit obviously. Though considering how addicting it can be I hardly hold it against anyone. My own brother is a smoker and has been for as long as I can remember. Even getting cancer did not stop him and now he struggles with treatments for having smoked all of his life.[QUOTE=DeathKnight'][color=crimson]Jumping off of cliffs also has been shown to have a higher rate of long-term suffering physically and psychologically. Many studies into the ramifications of jumping off of cliffs shows that it's much, much worse than smoking and can lead to death, broken bones, phobias, wounds, and pregnancy problems.

I mean, really, smoking is very tame by comparison so I think most of us should get off of our high horses.[/color][/QUOTE]That's an excuse. As Morpheus already stated, you can always find something out there that is worse. Also, in my experience, other than my own home, without getting on that high horse and supporting legislation to ban smoking from public places, many smokers refused to get off that high horse themselves and not expose others who were not interested. Secondhand smoke is every bit if not more dangerous than smoking it directly. [URL="http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422"][U]Secondhand Smoke Facts[/U][/URL]

Now in general, I have nothing against it so long as I am not expected to 'tolerate' someone else's bad habit. But the moment that habit infringes into my life I can and will object. Trust me, I have the same stupid argument when my brother visits about requiring him to be outside when he thinks simply opening the windows is enough to keep the smoke from lingering.

[Lethargy]

[SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkGreen]I don't smoke [B]tobacco[/B] products, but I do, however smoke [B]marijuana[/B] about once a week (sometimes every other week).

Weed, unlike cigarettes, is a very [B]social[/B] drug. The whole experience is something to be shared with by others. I never smoke alone, if you haven't figured that out yet.

Practically everyone I know smokes cigarettes. That doesn't make them bad people at all. Some of the nicest people I know are smokers. Smoking has [B]nothing[/B] to do with personality.

I think tobacco is a pretty disgusting substance, especially dip. [B]Chewing tobacco is so vile[/B]. There's nothing redeeming about it. It doesn't bother me when others smoke, though. As long as they don't intentionally blow it in my face, I'm fine, because the smoke doesn't really get to me (and occasionally, someone smokes a brand that actually smells good).[/COLOR][/SIZE]

[quote name='Revolver][COLOR=Olive'] I don't mind Pot though. Heard it tastes like ****.[/COLOR][/quote]

[SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkGreen]True. It does taste like ****.

If only it was as cheap as ****, too...[/COLOR][/SIZE]

[Aberinkula]

[COLOR="Olive"][quote name='Lethargy']Weed, unlike cigarettes, is a very social drug. The whole experience is something to be shared with by others. I never smoke alone, if you haven't figured that out yet.[/quote]

That's why I like you dude. You always know what to say in these threads, and you don't cause a riot.

Oh, A_M, remember what Metalcore said, there isn't enough scientific evidence to support that second-hand smoke hurts people. Of coarse every knows science is always right. [/Sarcasm]

It is just as bad actually, you don't need science to prove it.[/COLOR]

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='Lethargy'][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkGreen] I

[SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkGreen]True. It does taste like ****.

If only it was as cheap as ****, too...[/COLOR][/SIZE][/QUOTE]

[color=#9933ff][font=lucida calligraphy]If it smells like **** and tastes like **** and it's expensive (oh and illegal :animeswea) why bother?

Though I will admit it was always fun to watch a friend of mine get herself stoned and ask me if the cars had slowed down. Good times... good times.[/color][/font]

[Odin M Yggdrasi]

My issue always has been and always will be more with the smell produced by them than the act itself- If they want to kill themselves by one of the slowest and most painful deaths known to our time then by all means, just don't force me to die with you.

How the frek do you guys get used to and like that though? Just the ambient smoke cloud from an old engine running poorly this morning has me feeling like I am about to hurl, and I wasn't inhaling it directly, it was being spewed out but not traveling far due to a lack of wind this morning, settling back near the engine on me.

[Lethargy]

[quote name='ChibiHorsewoman][COLOR=#9933ff][FONT=lucida calligraphy]If it smells like **** and tastes like **** and it's expensive (oh and illegal :animeswea) why bother?[/FONT'][/COLOR][/quote]

[SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkGreen]Why bother? Well...[/COLOR][/SIZE]

[quote][COLOR=#9933ff][FONT=lucida calligraphy] Though I will admit it was always fun to watch a friend of mine get herself stoned and ask me if the cars had slowed down. Good times... good times.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkGreen][B]That[/B] is why I bother. As you said, "Good Times."

I'd like to see a [B]cigarette[/B] do [B]that[/B]![/COLOR][/SIZE]

[Charles]

[quote name='Revolver'][COLOR="Olive"]And if you want to die so be it, your just giving in to the addiction. But you'll regret it someday. And when that time comes you'll be saying "I wish I haden't have done that." so don't complain if it's killing you, because you brought it upon yourself. And if not, well good luck having a crappy life.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone has a choice about dying. Everyone's going to die from [i]something[/i] at some point. I don't smoke and I could end up getting hit by a bus tomorrow for all I know.

If people worried about what was bad for them all the time and became afraid to live their lives how they wanted to, then they would also be having a "crappy life."

What I'm trying to say is, that smoking is a personal choice and as long as I don't have to be around a copious amount of the stuff in an enclosed area, or have the smell stick to my clothes, then whatever. Not my business.

Also, based on observation, I don't see how cigarettes aren't a social thing. Just like alcohol, they very much can be.

[Starfire0567]

I smoke Newports and Marlboros. I've been smoking for almost a year and I thought about quitting but then I just didnt.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='Starfire0567']I smoke Newports and Marlboros. I've been smoking for almost a year and I thought about quitting but then I just didnt.[/QUOTE]

[color=#9933ff][font=lucida calligraphy]You and my brother smoke the same brand Samma chan.

My brother isn't allowed to smoke in the house because of my daughter and the sheer fact that my mom would beat him within an inch of his life so when he's feeling lazy he'll lean out his bedroom window and smoke from there. Someday I think he may just fall out the window and break something.[/color][/font]

[VincentTheGreat]

ive been smoking reds (marlboro) since i was 12 years old, and know im 16, and belive it or not ive not gone above 3 or 4 a day. When i was in 9th grade there was a period of a cuople of months of like 12 a day, but latly its been 3 or 4, well not really latly, i quit like a week ago, and ive been good, a cuople of cravings and grumpyness but other then that im fine

[XeEmO]

[quote name='Metalcore501']I myself a smoker surprisingly hate the smell myself as well as the taste, the only thing I find keeping me going is the addiction itself. So I don't really want to quit, what I hate is when people preech at us smokers![/QUOTE]
Yeah, preachers suck most of the time. It's as if they think smokers don't know it's bad for them.

[quote name='Andrew'][size=1]I see smoking as a character flaw in the person as much as most would see being a dickhead. But at least when you're a dickhead you don't ruin the lungs and body of the person standing next to you.[/size][/QUOTE]
If you do some research you may find a few different opinions on the effects of 2nd hand smoke. As with anything though, keep in mind most sources are bias in one direction or another. Some people will go as far as to say 2nd hand smoke isn't harmful. Others say it's just as harmful as smoking.

[quote name='Andrew'][size=1]If you feel like you have to have this thing every fifteen minutes during your day to go on or whatever then I think you've just got a problem. I admit I'm found of booze but I don't have a compulsive need to take breaks out of my working day to drink and I like gaming/anime but I don't get a little break to go do that to keep me going.
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Ok, I highly doubt the average smoker has a cigarette every 15 minutes of the day. That's nearly 2 packs every 12 hours. Right now I've been cutting back on smoking. I'd say I smoke about as much as the average person eats. Which I might add is an activity everyone has to take time for. I have breakfast lunch and dinner everyday, so does that mean I have a problem?

I'd also like to point out that as with nicotine, alcohol is addicting. As with anything addicting you run the risk of getting carried away. Some people do have the urge to go through the working day drunk. They're called alcoholics.

Cigarettes tend to spread kind of like a virus. If you're friends with a lot of smokers it's not hard to pick up the habit. You may smoke a little bit when your drunk. You may just have a cigarette hear and there. Before you know it you're completely addicted and it's not a personality flaw. It could happen to anyone.


[quote name='Lethargy'][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkGreen]
I don't smoke [B]tobacco[/B] products, but I do, however smoke [B]marijuana[/B] about once a week (sometimes every other week).

Weed, unlike cigarettes, is a very [B]social[/B] drug. The whole experience is something to be shared with by others. I never smoke alone, if you haven't figured that out yet.
[/COLOR][/SIZE][/QUOTE]

This is kind of off subject but...what makes weed more of a social drug than nicotine? Usually it makes me anti-social and paranoid when I smoke with people I'm not already really good friends with. The only time I find it to be a social thing is when I'm to a certain point of being drunk. Mainly I just smoke it to chill and listen to music before I go to bed, or after a long day of work.

However, I've had many conversations with people that spawned from "can I bum a cigarette?" Cigarette smokers kind of have this connection with each other. Most of the time they're forced to stand outside in the blistering cold and smoke. What else is there to do but small talk in that situation?