Student Assaulted and Tasered at John Kerry Q&A

[Zen]

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I know I havn't been around for a while... but this really really really needs to be pointed out:

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE"]The Video Evidence[/URL]

There's more than one.

So, can I just ask... What the hell?! How has this not been made more public? Why hasn't this been addressed yet? And more importantly, what does this say about Kerry, Police brutality, the underground of the government, and most of all, Skull and Bones?

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[Allamorph]

[FONT=Arial]For further reference, I'm including the Reuters report and the story from the FOXNews web page. And let me say right now, the spin on FOX's article absolutely disgusts me.

[URL="http://www.reuters.com/news/video/videoStory?videoId=66698&feedType=RSS&rpc=23&sp=true"][COLOR="Blue"]Reuters[/COLOR][/URL] // [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297197,00.html"][COLOR="Blue"]FOX[/COLOR][/URL]

Something else that pissed me off: [I]"Two campus officers have been placed on [B][U]paid[/U] [U]administrative[/U] [U]leave[/U][/B], University of Florida President J. Bernard Machen said in a statement released Tuesday afternoon."[/I]

What the hell?! They screwed up this badly, and they're still getting bloody [I]paid?![/I] Forget whether Meyer was being a jackass at the mic; they had him pinned?[I]six[/I] of them had him bloody pinned to the freakin' ground?and they needed a [I]taser?![/I] And for this they're on paid vacation!!

Skull and Bones, eh? Research time. :animeangr[/FONT]

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[color=#9933ff][font=lucida calligraphy]I caught the footage on youtube and on CNN. Also the activities director at the nursing home made it part of the current event discussion.

The kid was being obnoxious and asking dumb questions. Then when they cut his mike he got billigerant and started getting aggressive. He resisted arrest and was fighting with the cops. So really he wasn't behaving in a civilized manner and broke the law. Yeah, maybe they shouldn't have tasered the guy, but he was being obnoxious[/color][/font]

[The Spectacular Professor]

"Skull and Bones..." Interesting...

Anyway, I really don't see how he was "getting agressive" before the police made their move. he asked a question, kind of like people tend to do in forums, and got dragged across the room, pinned down and tasered. This strikes me as a bit excessive. I mean, he even offered to leave quietly if they stopped holding him against the floor.

On Kerry: The man has never stricken me as altogether a pleasant individual. I love the way you can hear him in the background, trying to convince everyone to ignore the blatant police brutality. Anyone remember that time a while ago when his slip of the tongue made everyone think he was anti-soldiers? And he never actually apologized for it? Kept saying something like "I mixed up my words. Bush is a moron."

In conclusion: What politics needs are people who we wouldn't be ashamed to vote for, not party derisiveness. Oh, and those cops should be forced to work at McDonald's.

[vegeta rocker]

[quote name='ChibiHorsewoman'][color=#9933ff][font=lucida calligraphy]I caught the footage on youtube and on CNN. Also the activities director at the nursing home made it part of the current event discussion.

The kid was being obnoxious and asking dumb questions. Then when they cut his mike he got billigerant and started getting aggressive. He resisted arrest and was fighting with the cops. So really he wasn't behaving in a civilized manner and broke the law. Yeah, maybe they shouldn't have tasered the guy, but he was being obnoxious[/color][/font][/QUOTE]


Just because he was being obnoxious they really should not have arrested him. He should have been escorted out. He started really resisting when they put their hands on him.

They had NO RIGHT, they didn't ask him to leave and they didn't ask him to stop.

They just went up and grabbed him, thats wrong and they were the ones who should have had better judgment.

So after six people pin him down they still felt the need to taser him?

And that one idiot cop, "stop resisting".

They grabbed him with no warning or reason. They didn't say what he was being charged with, they gave no explanation. They treated him like a criminal and hes not.

He agreed to leave peacefully, but he wasn't allowed to. They were in the wrong for it and shouldn't even be on paid leave.

I will say to Kerry's credit, that he did say to let him go. Kerry was full and ready to answer the guys question. So i don't really think he deserves too much blame for it.

And cops wonder why they have trouble enforcing authority?

Stunts like this make it hard to for anyone to respect them.

[The Spectacular Professor]

Quick Google search leads me to dig up this on Skull and Bones:

[URL="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0122-10.htm"]http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0122-10.htm[/URL]

Cripes. I went on wikipedia to play 6 degrees with these guys. I only needed 4 to connect them to Voldemort. Creepy rituals and self-serving agendas... do not like.

[Vicky]

[SIZE=1]Bad police, methinks, something along those lines. Kids always have conspiracy theories... there's been documentaries on the most believable things, interviews with apparent "members" and all that crap. Everyone does it. Everyone makes some little speech about it somewhere... don't hurt anyone, least of all these apparent "secret societies".

If there was any secret organisation, like the Illuminati, Skull and Bones and the lot (which me and my friends had a weird thing about a few years ago, so I do know what the whole Skull and Bones riot is) then they're not going to be afraid of what some dumb kid says. They let people do a documentary on these conspiracies, allow interviews that reveal more knowledge than this so there's two conclusions: No such conspiracy exists, or they don't give a ****.

He shouldn't have been tasered I guess. But he got warned several times. I think it was just the police... don't know what they got so worked up about. Freedom of speech? LOL.

Poor kid. Poor people who had to listen to that kind of... manly screaming. Silly cops. And whoever hired them to do something.



[spoiler]I actually found the video funny at some points... in a nasty way. Silly conspiracy theories, lolz[/spoiler][/SIZE]

[eleanor]

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1) That kid was being pretty obnoxious.
2) But the police were stupid to use a taser.[/font]

[quote name='Aceburner']Quick Google search leads me to dig up this on Skull and Bones:

[URL="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0122-10.htm"]http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0122-10.htm[/URL]

Cripes. I went on wikipedia to play 6 degrees with these guys. I only needed 4 to connect them to Voldemort. Creepy rituals and self-serving agendas... do not like.[/QUOTE]

[font="trebuchet ms"] It's a secret college society for elite society and whoever they think is promising students... what do people expect? Its prestige and powerful alumni just add to the whole secrecy and whatnot. Though it would be funny if Yale decided to get rid of it or something...even though that'd be near damn impossible.

I was surprised when I read that a lot of people don't know about the Skull & Bones society, though. I pretty much thought it was common knowledge, lol.[/font]

[Darren]

Okay, I get that he was being pretty obnoxious... So what? Where does it say that freedom of speech only applies to those who are calm? And Senator Kerry didn't seem to have a problem answering his question, so why did the police? According to Fox's report, Meyer cut to the front and wouldn't leave after his time was up, so I can somehow see why they would charge him with Disrupting a public meeting. (or whatever it was they charged him with afterwards) But it's like it's been said over and over, they didn't ask him to step down. From the video, it almost seems like the police are running to the aid of Kerry after the question of Skull & Bones is asked... (I bet all the conspiricists think the police are in on it now)

I can accept the fact that he was arrested... If he wouldn't have resisted, he probably would have just gotten a night in jail (maybe) and a slap on the wrist. I think the charge that was given after the incident was just to cover the cops' butts because they know they were wrong!

And then because they were arresting him, I can see the resisting arrest charge. But they didn't follow NATIONAL PROCEDURE!!! They didn't read him his rights! (as if Meyer screaming "What are you arresting me for?" didn't tip them off) They just pinned him down, (all 5 of them and the little woman) and told him to stop resisting or they'd taser him... Seriously, I guess if he was struggling bad enough for them not to be able to get the cuffs on, then it would be okay, but seriously (those big guys on that tiny little college kid was more than enough to hold him steady)

There was even a point on a youtube video where he was completely still. (you can even see his hands behind his back. The cuffs aren't on yet, but still, he's on his stomach, hand's behind his back, not restisting) The only thing he was doing was screaming, "What did I do? What did I do? Why are you arresting me?"

And then they tasered him, because I suppose in their minds, asking a very reasonable question was still resisting arrest... That's a load of bull if you ask me.

So definately, the police officers need to be suspended... And if, after the investigation, they find something wrong with the officer's course of actions, (which they had better) then they'll be fired or demoted or something of the nature. (Trust me, my local police station has been through this 4 times in the past 5 years. I'm not sure exactly what happens, but it's definately not a "vacation" on the officer's part. Besides, they probably don't even make enough to matter.) Police brutality and just god-awful procedured by the officers. I'm not even a cop and I know that you shouldn't arrest someone without telling them what they're being arrested for.

EDIT: And he did offer to leave! That's even worse. If he was going to leave that simply, then he never should have been charged with distubing a public meeting in the first place... I bet if the officers asked him to leave, he would have. He'd have been mad as heck, but he would have left. Like I said, it's an excuse to keep the cops out of boiling water. However, with the support from the community and news groups and youtube, I seriously doubt the cops will get the favor... You never know though.

(Maybe the judges are in on the conspiracy as well... Spooky) :p

[Raiha]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"][FONT="Times New Roman"]If police are going to remove someone from an event, they do not have to charge him with anything, place him under arrest, or announce their intentions, just incase you were all curious. He used his time filibustering non issues that Kerry hadn't even talked about.

Furthermore, he wasn't tasered in the method you saw in Batman Begins. If he really was, he wouldn't have been able to struggle, much less move his mouth. He would've been as limp as a dead fish and twice as squishy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not wild about police in general, but if he was being obnoxious and screaming in an effort to disrupt an event, regardless of who was speaking, he probably had it coming. I mean honestly. Bullying your way to the front of the line and grabbing the mike? The guy was hamming it up and putting it all out as an act to get attention. If you'd like, you can run a search for his home page which details events that he's disrupted before.

I.E. when he gave away the ending at a Harry Potter movie. What kind of moron does that? Attention hookers. That's who.

Oh yeah, and for all you conspiracy darlings, there is nothing about Skull and Bones that remotely pertains to this little soiree. I mean honestly, NOTHING to do with it. And if the police hadn't jumped in the audience would've gone up to lynch him themselves. Don't resist arrest people. That's stupid. If you look close, the guy's thrashing around like he's being cut up with butterfly knives. Don't do that. It's completely idiotic.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Ikillion]

[FONT="Trebuchet MS"][COLOR=#001824][SIZE="1"]Haha, oh wow. Are we [I]really[/I] discussing about this here? I mean come on guys, its an open and shut case. The guy had a record of being a jackass, I'm not surprised if this was just another one. Conspiracy theroies? "Wait! Stop! I haven't got my tin foil hat on yet!"

So in lieu of a long post rambling on about the exact same thing which could be said in a sentence, I'll leave you with this.[/SIZE]
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[The13thMan]

[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]First off i would like to say, Ikillion, hilarious picture. You should enter it in that contest. Secondly, i agree more with Neuvoxraiha and Ikillion than the rest of you guys.

I wasn't sure about reading the guy his rights, but as Neuvoxraiha said, the police don't really have to when escorting a person away from an event or whatever. Also, I?m not sure if they were real cops or just campus police.

I disagree with how the cops started off, they probably should've attempted slightly less aggressive methods at first, but once the guy started resisting arrest then I?d say it was within the cops' rights. I don't have all the facts though, so I could be wrong here. I only watched the linked video and read all of the posts before mine.

As for conspiracy theorists, you guys are morons, complete and utter morons. Uhm... i don't think anybody here on Otaku is one, but if you are one, I'm calling you out! =D Haha. Give me a break.

A few of you said that you thought the cops should've got off of him when he said he'd leave peacefully. I disagree with you guys there. A cop can't just get off of a guy after displaying such aggressive behavior based only on what he says. If you take into consideration the context and tone of his voice when he said it I don?t see how you could really believe he?d just get up and leave... unless you?re just gullible. Regardless, the cops can't take chances like that. They're there to protect the peace.... with violence if necessary. Funny little contradiction there, isn't it? But is there another way?

Just like Neuvoxraiha, I?m no fan of police. But I do see them as a necessary in this world of idiots and fools.

Anyways, the whole event was embarrassing for both the cops involved and the jack-hole that resisted. Oh well.
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[The Spectacular Professor]

Yeah, okay. I'm kinda into conspiracy theories. I was kinda joking around, although I DO find it interesting that bonesmen tend to hire other bonesmen more often than not.

Anyway, Ikillion, pure genius. this is why memes should be born on Otakuboards, instead of 4chan.

[Raiha]

[quote name='Aceburner']Yeah, okay. I'm kinda into conspiracy theories. I was kinda joking around, although I DO find it interesting that bonesmen tend to hire other bonesmen more often than not.[/QUOTE]
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Well come on, it's like any fraternity. Frat boys rub the backs of other frat boys. ......alright so that sounded a little too gay for the metaphor, but the point is that secret society or not, there's no 'interesting' and fascinating little dark secret behind it. People will hire people they know, people involved in the same activities and societies they are in. Fact of life. It doesn't matter what the organization is, it works like that with the Freemasons for Chrissake.

Oh yeah, and for the record, campus police ARE real cops. And by campus I mean college. Those officers on your high school campus aren't.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Darren]

[quote name='Neuvoxraiha'][COLOR="DarkOrchid"][FONT="Times New Roman"]Oh yeah, and for the record, campus police ARE real cops. And by campus I mean college. Those officers on your high school campus aren't.[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[SIZE="1"]Well actually, the guy that sits in his little cop car outside the school making sure no one leaves campus without permission [I]is[/I] a real cop... At least the one at my school is. We joke around calling him a rent-a-cop, but he has a gun, a badge, his academy diploma, he does regular locker checks for drugs, and he's there to escort anyone who's been in a fight off to jail... But maybe that's because my town is so small he has nothing better to do.

And by the way, I do agree and I'm not big into conspiracy theroies. I was just entertaining. I disagree with the way police handled the situation, but at the same time, I agree with what the kid did in response to their methods. It's human nature, when you don't think you're doing anything wrong and then a bunch of guys just try to wrestle you to the ground without a word of warning or anything. (And somehow Neuvoxraiha, I just don't believe that cops [I]don't[/I] have to read you your rights. Which includes what you're being arrested for.)
Escorting him off the premisis is one thing, but arresting is another thing entirely.

Regardless, I think both sides are receiving their punishment. Even if the kid receives some restitution out of the city dept., I seriously doubt he'll be "Disrupting" an event any more, unless he liked that taser ("OW OW OW!")[/SIZE]

[Aaryanna]

[COLOR="goldenrod"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"][quote name='Darren'][SIZE="1"] (And somehow Neuvoxraiha, I just don't believe that cops [I]don't[/I] have to read you your rights. Which includes what you're being arrested for.)
Escorting him off the premisis is one thing, but arresting is another thing entirely.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]Wrong, police do not have to read you your rights when you are arrested or escorted off a premises. There's a key thing to keep in mind here:

[B]At what point are police required to inform a suspect of their Miranda rights?[/B]

After a person has officially been taken into custody (detained by police), [U][B]but before any interrogation takes place[/B][/U], police must inform them of their right to remain silent and to have an attorney present during questioning. A person is considered to be "in custody" anytime they are placed in an environment in which they do not believe they are free to leave.
[B]
Can police arrest or detain a person without reading them their Miranda rights?[/B]

Yes, but until the person has been informed of his or her Miranda rights, any statements made by them during interrogation may be ruled inadmissible in court.

So if all they did was escort him off the premises and didn't charge him with anything, reading him his rights was not required. If they arrested him, they could have taken him to the station and read him his rights before asking any questions. They don't have to do it at the exact moment they are arresting him.

Now if you're wondering where I got that information from... I asked the woman who lives across the street from me and my mom since she's a cop. I also saw it online, but I checked with her to see if it was accurate since I was curious. XP

In the end, I want to feel sorry for the guy, but he choose to make a scene, he knew what he was doing and choose to not let it go. Perhaps using a taser was a bit much, but other than that, he had it coming. Being escorted out that is. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[The13thMan]

[quote name='Darren'][SIZE="1"]I disagree with the way police handled the situation, but at the same time, I agree with what the kid did in response to their methods. It's human nature, when you don't think you're doing anything wrong and then a bunch of guys just try to wrestle you to the ground without a word of warning or anything. (And somehow Neuvoxraiha, I just don't believe that cops [I]don't[/I] have to read you your rights. Which includes what you're being arrested for.)
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[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]You agree with what the kid did in response? I can understand a guy doing something like that if those people were anything but cops. But considering they [I]were [/I]cops i'd say he was a complete fool. Now, i'm not necessarily saying that i agree that cops should be allowed to do what they did in the case of this guy, but i do think it's ridiculous to react the way he did and be surprised when he got his a#$ tazered. If you resist arrest then you're not very smart. Unless you're some sort of super spy like the guy off of Burn Notice you're not going to be able to get out of an arrest.

Aaryanna, thank you for the information about the cops and when they are required to read Miranda rights, it was very imformative and useful. Law unfortunately is something i know very little about and i really value any bit of info i get (as i'm too lazy to look it up on my own). =)
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[Rachmaninoff]

[quote name='Allamorph'][FONT=Arial]Something else that pissed me off: [I]"Two campus officers have been placed on [B][U]paid[/U] [U]administrative[/U] [U]leave[/U][/B], University of Florida President J. Bernard Machen said in a statement released Tuesday afternoon."[/I]

What the hell?! They screwed up this badly, and they're still getting bloody [I]paid?![/I] Forget whether Meyer was being a jackass at the mic; they had him pinned?[I]six[/I] of them had him bloody pinned to the freakin' ground?and they needed a [I]taser?![/I] And for this they're on paid vacation!![/FONT][/QUOTE]Honestly Allamorph, that's standard procedure to be put on paid leave. Instantly calling out the cops as guilty would be wrong. And from what I've seen that kid had getting escorted off the premises coming to him. What kind of moron does that and then resists being asked to leave? Also, why are people glossing over this?

[INDENT]While Senator Kerry was responding to a student?s question, all of a sudden Meyer rushed to the microphone with cops in pursuit. At that point no one knew what was going on. Could he have a gun, a bomb? Immediately, Meyer began yelling into the microphone that he had been waiting in line forever and that Senator Kerry should ?spend time to answer everyone?s questions!? Senator Kerry tried to calm the student down by telling him that he would ?stay here as long as it takes to get the questions answered.? The police approached Meyer who began taunting them by saying ?what! are you going to taser me? are you going to arrest me?!? The police grabbed Meyer, but Senator Kerry asked the police to let him go and that he would answer his question. Senator Kerry finished answering the other student?s question and then proceeded with Meyer. (*This entire scene is not in any video I can find so far. This is why 2 cops are seen right behind Meyer at the start of some videos*)?[/INDENT]
As well as this:
[INDENT]Police have released the incident report detailing the Tasering of a University of Florida student during a campus forum with Sen. John Kerry Monday, and the officer who actually Tasered Andrew Meyer wrote in the report that Meyer later told police, ?You didn?t do anything wrong.? In the 12-page report, which gives accounts of the incident from the perspective of eight different officers who were present Monday afternoon, [B]Officer Nicole Mallo writes that Meyer would only resist officers when cameras were present.[/B] ?As (Meyer) was escorted down stairs (at the University Auditorium) with no cameras in sight, he remained quiet, but once the cameras made their way down stairs he started screaming and yelling again,? Mallo wrote.[/INDENT]
Do a little research into this guy, he's an attention getter not some student who was wrongfully cut off and assaulted, I don't agree with the taser bit but it's clear that he brought it on himself. The moment he realized that the question bit was over and that he was expected to leave he should have done so. The free right to speech and all that does not include the privilege of throwing a temper tantrum or butting in line to get your question answered.

Personally, I'd like to see a video of the entire deal before I make a judgment against the officers. It's not every day that a presidential candidate who didn't get elected comes to a school like that so there's bound to be someone out there with a full video of the event.

[Darren]

[quote name='Aaryanna'][COLOR="goldenrod"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Wrong, police do not have to read you your rights when you are arrested or escorted off a premises.[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Okay, I'll give you that, but it's usually common for cops to read them their rights... Perhaps that's why the department's procedures are being investigated. Not just for the taser thing. And as I said, escorting him off the premisis is totally different. Of course there's no need to read him his rights if he's not being arrested, but they just sort of attacked him.

[quote name='The13thMan'][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]You agree with what the kid did in response? I can understand a guy doing something like that if those people were anything but cops. But considering they [I]were [/I]cops i'd say he was a complete fool.[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Okay, let me rephrase that: I agree with his [I]initial[/I] reaction. If anybody, (I don't care who it is) comes up behind me and grabs me without know who it is, I'm going to pull away and freak out. Yes, it was pretty obvious the cops were behind him, but he wasn't looking at them when they grabbed him. I'm just saying it's human nature when people grab you like that.
But after that initial reaction, I spare him no pity. He was obviously just craving attention, and while I think the taser was a bit too far, (In fact the whole thing was too far, which goes back to the fact that the department's procedures are under investigation.) It's like I said, I bet the kid learned his lesson.

[Horendithas]

[COLOR="Indigo"][quote name='Darren;791695]Okay, I'll give you that, but it's usually common for cops to read them their rights... Perhaps that's why the department's procedures are being investigated. Not just for the taser thing. And as I said, escorting him off the premisis is totally different. Of course there's no need to read him his rights if he's not being arrested, but they just sort of attacked him.[/QUOTE]What are you basing that on? Television? Or actual experience? How about some statics showing that cops really do say that in cases like this at the very start. No matter what people tell you... It is [B]not[/B] required to read someone their rights at the moment they are arrested and detained. Focusing on that bit is meaningless in regards to what happened here. What's being investigated is more of whether or not the situation warranted such a response. Or rather such a forceful one. Though from what I've seen and read it did.[quote name='Darren'']But after that initial reaction, I spare him no pity. He was obviously just craving attention, and while I think the taser was a bit too far, (In fact the whole thing was too far, which goes back to the fact that the department's procedures are under investigation.) It's like I said, I bet the kid learned his lesson.[/quote] Honestly, Rach is right, try doing a search on the web about this to get a little more information. The police used a taser since he refused to quit resisting and simply leave. If he hadn't been such an idiot and simply let them escort him out of the area instead of continuing to squirm, they wouldn't have needed to taser his butt. This guy has a history of deliberately pulling stunts to get attention. If they fire two cops for dealing with a stupid little attention whore, then the real injustice is that the fool will have gotten the attention he wanted. Or rather he will have gotten away with it.[/COLOR]

[vegeta rocker]

[quote name='indifference'][COLOR="Indigo"]Honestly, Rach is right, try doing a search on the web about this to get a little more information. The police used a taser since he refused to quit resisting and simply leave. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]

He tried to leave peacefully but they didn't let him, he said "I'll walk out of here" but they said that wasn't an option.

As for reading him his rights, i agree they didn't have to read them but you have the right as soon as you are arrested to know the charges.

He asked repeatedly what the charges were, they should have informed him of the charges.

Thats from "A pocket sized guide to the Law" so i did look it up.

I am not saying he wasn't trying to get attention, but he was mistreated regardless.

[eleanor]

[quote name='vegeta rocker']He tried to leave peacefully but they didn't let him, he said "I'll walk out of here" but they said that wasn't an option.

As for reading him his rights, i agree they didn't have to read them but you have the right as soon as you are arrested to know the charges.

He asked repeatedly what the charges were, they should have informed him of the charges.
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[font="trebuchet ms"] "I'll walk out of here" was one of many obnoxious and loud remarks as he made before he started to resist arrest, tried to get away from the police and then struggled during the arrest.

Also:

Q: Are the police required to tell me what I?m being arrested for?
A: No. The police are not required. Within 72 hours you have the right to be brought before a magistrate or released. When you are brought before a magistrate, that?s when the charges will be read against you.

(from [url]http://www.jkrlaw.com/[/url])[/font]

[Horendithas]

[COLOR="Indigo"][quote name='vegeta rocker;791760]He tried to leave peacefully but they didn't let him, he said "I'll walk out of here" but they said that wasn't an option. [/QUOTE]Once you are being detained or arrested, you can't just say... 'Oh I'm sorry, I'll leave peacefully' It doesn't work that way. If you have half a brain at all you simply go with the cops and work it out when the chance is presented to you. [quote name='vegeta rocker;791760']As for reading him his rights, i agree they didn't have to read them but you have the right as soon as you are arrested to know the charges. [/quote]How about doing what I already advised about researching this a bit? Aaryanna and Lunox have already given information to the effect that the concept that you have a right to have your rights read to you as soon as you are arrested is wrong. The same goes for knowing why you are being arrested. Stop saying the cops did it wrong when it's you and others who don't understand how the law works. No you do not have the right to demand that they tell you that immediately. [QUOTE=vegeta rocker']He asked repeatedly what the charges were, they should have informed him of the charges.

Thats from "A pocket sized guide to the Law" so i did look it up. [/QUOTE]Again, you're missing the point that Aaryanna already explained. There is no instant timing that the moment you demand to know why you are being arrested they have to tell you. It's perfectly legal to arrest someone and take them to the station and then tell them their rights and what they are being arrested for. Here's something to give you an idea:

WHAT PROCEDURES ARE USUALLY FOLLOWED WHEN YOU ARE ARRESTED?

[INDENT]1. The officer will take you to a police station.
2. You will be advised generally as to the charges against you. However, these charges may be changed later and stated in more detail by the office of the prosecuting attorney or in some instances by the grand jury.[/INDENT]
There's more of course but people really need to get out of the stupid mind set that once an arrest has started they can demand or influence the sequence of events. Of course you have a right to know, but that right does not equal you deciding when you know. If they are arresting you and you ask why, it's perfectly legal for them to ignore you and wait until you are at the police station to formally charge and inform you.[quote name='vegeta rocker']I am not saying he wasn't trying to get attention, but he was mistreated regardless.[/QUOTE]Wrong again. The only thing he might have been mistreated on was being tasered. The rest? He brought that upon himself by not being smart enough to simply leave with the police once they moved to arrest him. I'll say it again, do more research before you declare that the police did things wrong or that he was mistreated.[/COLOR]

[Aaryanna_Mom]

[quote name='indifference'][COLOR="Indigo"] I'll say it again, do more research before you declare that the police did things wrong or that he was mistreated.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]Good advice really, there are a lot of things being tossed back and forth here that are completely inaccurate. Just as people are quick to defend the student from mistreatment, they should also be as quick to defend the police from false accusations of misconduct. In other words as Crystia said, find out the facts [I]before[/I] declaring that the student was in fact mistreated or assaulted. Going on what you've heard or even silly cop shows on TV is not a good or even reliable source of information when it comes to how procedures are done for arrest, reading one their rights or informing them of the charges, etc.

Everything I have heard and read in regards to this has indicated that the student in question is an attention seeker and has in the past done the same thing. Deliberately escalated things to draw more attention to himself. Personally like Rach mentioned, I would much prefer to see a video of the entire proceedings instead of the incomplete clips I've been seeing. And even then, so far it sounds like the force was warranted and that people are making a big deal out of nothing.

[The13thMan]

[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Well, some good points were made. I learned a bit about arrest procedures, so that's nice.

Indifference, you made some good points to Vegeta Rocker. It's definitely important to get your facts straight and do your research. Though... ya gotta ask why it is that this wasn't and (i fear) usually isn't done in today's society. I won't get into it too deeply, i'll just say people are lazy and that you shouldn't trust the news (especially in matters of science).

Anyways! You were still kinda mean about it. =P You'll attract more flies with honey. Or... was it bees? Flowers? God, i don't know. You get what i'm saying though, right?

I think too many people get this idea in their head early on that the cops are out to get us. We get cocky and think somehow that they don't have the right to enforce the law. Shows like Cops and all of those lame reality shows don't help real them out either. I saw an episode of Cops the other day and the officers involved just came off as complete jack-(butts). One of 'em kicked a sickly drunk fellow in the chest for seemingly no reason! Through the telivision the officer came off as in the wrong here, but i have a feeling that he was misrepresented by the big tv execs just trying to make a buck. There's also the image portrayed in comedy of the typical chubby cop at the donut shop scarfing down pasteries. It's unhealthy to have a "healthy" disrespect for law enforcement. Too many people are biased and judge too quickly. This kid being tasered is a perfect example of it, in my opinion. The cops were doing their jobs. They took care of a complete jerk-off that was disrupting the peace using necessary precautions.

A few of you have said that you think the cops should've let the guy go when he said he would leave peacefully. Others and myself have already pointed out the flaw in the logic, but i'll say it again. You can't just listen to the guy when his behavior was so out of line. He was already resisting arrest by the time he "attempted" to leave peacefully. As a cop you can't just say, "oh ok, i guess i'll let this complete stranger that has already broken the law go. I mean, he did say that he would leave peacefully. What reason do i have to distrust him/her?" Oh wait... there's a great reason to not trust them.

I actually heard somewhere (it could've even been from here, i'm not sure) that the guy was so much of an attention whore that he only acted out when he knew he was being filmed. When the cameras left - according to one of the officer's accounts of the event - the guy was completely relaxed and submissive, but as soon as the cameras came rushing down the stairs he started to act out again. This, to me, is very telling of his actual motives. He just wanted to start crap. Unfortunately, he was very successful. This entire thread and all the news coverage is proof of it.
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