Student Assaulted and Tasered at John Kerry Q&A

[Horendithas]

[COLOR="Indigo"][quote name='The13thMan'][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Indifference, you made some good points to Vegeta Rocker. It's definitely important to get your facts straight and do your research. Though... ya gotta ask why it is that this wasn't and (i fear) usually isn't done in today's society. I won't get into it too deeply, i'll just say people are lazy and that you shouldn't trust the news (especially in matters of science).

Anyways! You were still kinda mean about it. =P You'll attract more flies with honey. Or... was it bees? Flowers? God, i don't know. You get what i'm saying though, right? [/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]Honey is disgusting, so no thanks. :p Seriously though, think about it, sometimes it takes a good smack to get people to quit emoting and thinking about what happened, was it done correctly, were procedures violated, etc. General statements saying they should have done this or they should have done that are meaningless without some form of research or understanding of how the law works. [[SIZE="1"]and by the way, I'm not saying people were emoting here, but people kept coming back with the police [U]should[/U] have done this instead of looking up how the police [U]actually[/U] handle things[/SIZE]]

As for being more direct and blunt... Though it was not criminal law, my father[B] is[/B] a lawyer. Though he retired a few years ago. But the one thing I learned from him was to never, ever, take the news or someone's account as the truth. It's important to think for yourself and find out instead of jumping on the bandwagon and assuming things were done wrong. If pointing that out makes me seem harsh or even mean, so be it. [/COLOR]

[Aaryanna]

[COLOR="goldenrod"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"][quote name='indifference'][COLOR="Indigo"] If pointing that out makes me seem harsh or even mean, so be it. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]*poke* Just admit it Crystia! You're mean! :p

Anyway... The more I read about this guy... The less I feel sorry for him. I've reached the point where if anything they say about him being an attention getter is true... He so deserved what he got. This isn't the first time he's made a scene. What a moron. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[The13thMan]

[quote name='indifference'][COLOR="Indigo"]Honey is disgusting, so no thanks. :p Seriously though, think about it, sometimes it takes a good smack to get people to quit emoting and thinking about what happened, was it done correctly, were procedures violated, etc. General statements saying they should have done this or they should have done that are meaningless without some form of research or understanding of how the law works. [[SIZE="1"]and by the way, I'm not saying people were emoting here, but people kept coming back with the police [U]should[/U] have done this instead of looking up how the police [U]actually[/U] handle things[/SIZE]]

As for being more direct and blunt... Though it was not criminal law, my father[B] is[/B] a lawyer. Though he retired a few years ago. But the one thing I learned from him was to never, ever, take the news or someone's account as the truth. It's important to think for yourself and find out instead of jumping on the bandwagon and assuming things were done wrong. If pointing that out makes me seem harsh or even mean, so be it. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Hey buddy, i really don't appreciate what you're saying here. I mean, where do you get off, huh!? Honey is [B]not [/B]disgusting! It goes good with graham crackers! And ya know who else liked honey? Jesus, that's who! And i will not have you bad mouth him!

=P

I totally get what you're saying. I actually admire how strongly you feel on independent thinking. It's very important to me to be sketpical when looking at anybody's argument and point of view. I know that most of the time people are just blowing crap outta their bums. Too many people out there present biased points of view, altering the truth, and just blurring the reality of events. If a person feels personally invested in something he'll go pretty far to get you to feel the same way.
So yeah, it sounds like your father taught you a really good lesson there. =D

As for the good smack thing being better sometimes. I can definitely agree with ya there as well. Though, don't you need to get to know the person to know whether the smack is appropriate or not? Maybe i'm wrong here, i really have no idea how well you know Vegeta Rocker. I'm only saying it's usually better to be nice than mean. Often times showing that hostility will just make a person defensive and feel crappy. And that helps nobody. I think it takes a lot of self control to say something and then get attacked for what you said by somebody else then realize you were wrong and retract what you said. Most people are pretty proud, ya know?


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[Horendithas]

[COLOR="Indigo"][quote name='The13thMan'][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]As for the good smack thing being better sometimes. I can definitely agree with ya there as well. Though, don't you need to get to know the person to know whether the smack is appropriate or not? Maybe i'm wrong here, i really have no idea how well you know Vegeta Rocker. I'm only saying it's usually better to be nice than mean. Often times showing that hostility will just make a person defensive and feel crappy. And that helps nobody. I think it takes a lot of self control to say something and then get attacked for what you said by somebody else then realize you were wrong and retract what you said. Most people are pretty proud, ya know?[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]At this point, you're really dragging this out far more than is necessary. If Vegeta Rocker feels I was a little too harsh, it's up to them to either post or pm me on that. At this point I'm poking you and saying, don't tell me I need say I was wrong when you don't even know how they feel. Yes I was blunt, but I already looked back at what I said and don't see a need to retract it. It's not that hard to see that I was pointing out that the student who got arrested was an idiot and that a little research would show his rights were not violated as far as police procedures go. The only thing that might be called into question is the use of a taser. I was not directly calling anyone here an idiot, I was telling people to look things up [I]instead[/I] of saying the police did it wrong. You're reading more in my posts than there was to begin with. I may have been blunt but I have no hostility towards anyone here.

Also, you're being silly by implying I attacked them. On some level discussions require an element of picking apart what the other person said. And so long as people are being reasonably polite, it's not required to attempt to be politically correct because you just [I]might[/I] make someone feel silly for stating a view before getting more information as to what happened. If you can't take having a statement challenged, then why bother to post? So lets stop derailing the thread with this assumption you are making here. There never was any intention to verbally attack or be hostile towards anyone here.[/COLOR]

[Aaryanna]

[COLOR="goldenrod"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Well if you want to know more about this... I found this online, it's suppose to be a copy of the police report of this incident. It's an interesting read that's for sure. [URL="http://www.president.ufl.edu/incident/Offense-Report072274.pdf"][U]Report[/U][/URL] If that's true, he did it on purpose just to get attention. :animesigh[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Gavin]

[size=1]I wonder if they'll use a more powerful taser on him next time ?

All joking aside, I have no time or pity for people who pull stunts like that for the sake of attention. He causes a huge scene and then after when he's being detained says he'll calmly walk out, what a ****-tard.[/size]

[The13thMan]

[quote name='indifference'][COLOR="Indigo"]At this point, you're really dragging this out far more than is necessary. If Vegeta Rocker feels I was a little too harsh, it's up to them to either post or pm me on that. At this point I'm poking you and saying, don't tell me I need say I was wrong when you don't even know how they feel. Yes I was blunt, but I already looked back at what I said and don't see a need to retract it. It's not that hard to see that I was pointing out that the student who got arrested was an idiot and that a little research would show his rights were not violated as far as police procedures go. The only thing that might be called into question is the use of a taser. I was not directly calling anyone here an idiot, I was telling people to look things up [I]instead[/I] of saying the police did it wrong. You're reading more in my posts than there was to begin with. I may have been blunt but I have no hostility towards anyone here.

Also, you're being silly by implying I attacked them. On some level discussions require an element of picking apart what the other person said. And so long as people are being reasonably polite, it's not required to attempt to be politically correct because you just [I]might[/I] make someone feel silly for stating a view before getting more information as to what happened. If you can't take having a statement challenged, then why bother to post? So lets stop derailing the thread with this assumption you are making here. There never was any intention to verbally attack or be hostile towards anyone here.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]You missed my point and mistook what i said as hostility towards you. I was only saying how i felt on the situation in general, not this situation in specific. I felt like you were a bit rude, and you feel you weren't. That's perfectly fine. I didn't say you were calling anybody here an idiot. I'm trying to drag anything out, i'm only replying to your post. (Sometimes this board is too heavily modded) The tntention and the actual repurcussions of an action are often times two totally different things. So anyways, back to the dead discussion at hand.

Uhhhh... yeah, the guy's dumb. =D


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[Doublehex]

Well, what I have found curious is that the guy was arrested the moment he questioned Kerry about his involvement with Skull & Bones. Watch the video again, and you'll notice that within 5 seconds of him asking the question, the Police grab him.

Don't you find that a bit odd?

[eleanor]

[quote name='Matt']Well, what I have found curious is that the guy was arrested the moment he questioned Kerry about his involvement with Skull & Bones. Watch the video again, and you'll notice that within 5 seconds of him asking the question, the Police grab him.

Don't you find that a bit odd?[/QUOTE]

[font="trebuchet ms"] If you're implying that Skull & Bones is an evil society that has infiltrated our government, stop there.

Yes, it's a [i]secret[/i] society with very prestigious people who give favors to each other, but it's not like other societies don't.[/font]

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='Aaryanna'][COLOR="goldenrod"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Well if you want to know more about this... I found this online, it's suppose to be a copy of the police report of this incident. It's an interesting read that's for sure. [URL="http://www.president.ufl.edu/incident/Offense-Report072274.pdf"][U]Report[/U][/URL] If that's true, he did it on purpose just to get attention. :animesigh[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]


[color=#9933ff][font=lucida calligraphy]Okay I read the report. That guy seriously needed a time out or whaever. I wonder what Jo Frost (Super Nanny) would have done.[/color][/font]

[Doublehex]

[quote name='Lunox'][font="trebuchet ms"] If you're implying that Skull & Bones is an evil society that has infiltrated our government, stop there.

Yes, it's a [i]secret[/i] society with very prestigious people who give favors to each other, but it's not like other societies don't.[/font][/QUOTE]

All I said it was odd, and that no one else had stated it. That was the first thing that crossed my mind after the video, and was surprised no one had stated anything else about it. Or at all, actually.

That's why I mentioned it.

[eleanor]

[quote name='Matt']All I said it was odd, and that no one else had stated it. That was the first thing that crossed my mind after the video, and was surprised no one had stated anything else about it. Or at all, actually.

That's why I mentioned it.[/QUOTE]

[font="trebuchet ms"] Try re-reading the thread. ;)[/font]

[Gavin]

[quote name='Lunox'][font="trebuchet ms"] Try re-reading the thread. ;)[/font][/QUOTE]

[SIZE="1"]Just what I was thinking.[/SIZE]

[Darren]

[quote name='indifference'][COLOR="Indigo"]What are you basing that on? Television? Or actual experience? How about some statics showing that cops really do say that in cases like this at the very start. No matter what people tell you... It is [B]not[/B] required to read someone their rights at the moment they are arrested and detained. Focusing on that bit is meaningless in regards to what happened here. What's being investigated is more of whether or not the situation warranted such a response. Or rather such a forceful one. Though from what I've seen and read it did.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Well, if you must know: From personal experience. Not that I like to divulge much of my personal life besides funny humor and maybe a few tickets, (although I've only received 1) when my brother went through his "teenage rebellion" phase, there was more than one arrest made at my house. And not only that, I'll be the first to say that my distant relitaves are pretty trashy and are alwasy getting arrested... I may not have been there for the relatives, but I've heard the stories, and I've definately seen my brother arrested and hauled away kicking and screaming in the back of a police car, and and he was putting up more of a fight than this guy was, they still screamed his rights over his curses and such. And there was only two of them, so I doubt they needed all four to hold that tiny guy to the ground. (Especially since my brother was much larger than that kid) As for the procedure bit and what the cops did wrong: Once again, I'm basing that on personal experience since my city council took a vote last month on whether or not to fire the entire city police force... I don't think they did, but the basis for such a vote was on procedure among other things, and I did a bit of research whenever I saw that vote on the local news.

[quote name='indifference'][COLOR="Indigo"]Honestly, Rach is right, try doing a search on the web about this to get a little more information. The police used a taser since he refused to quit resisting and simply leave. If he hadn't been such an idiot and simply let them escort him out of the area instead of continuing to squirm, they wouldn't have needed to taser his butt. This guy has a history of deliberately pulling stunts to get attention. If they fire two cops for dealing with a stupid little attention whore, then the real injustice is that the fool will have gotten the attention he wanted. Or rather he will have gotten away with it.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I believe I already addressed this:
[quote name='Darren']There was even a point on a youtube video where he was completely still. (you can even see his hands behind his back. The cuffs aren't on yet, but still, he's on his stomach, hand's behind his back, not restisting) The only thing he was doing was screaming, "What did I do? What did I do? Why are you arresting me?"[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Darren']But after that initial reaction, I spare him no pity. [B]He was obviously just craving attention[/B], and while I think the taser was a bit too far, (In fact the whole thing was too far, which goes back to the fact that the department's procedures are under investigation.) It's like I said, I bet the kid learned his lesson.[/QUOTE]

[Rachmaninoff]

[quote name='Aaryanna'][COLOR="goldenrod"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Well if you want to know more about this... I found this online, it's suppose to be a copy of the police report of this incident. It's an interesting read that's for sure. [URL="http://www.president.ufl.edu/incident/Offense-Report072274.pdf"][U]Report[/U][/URL] If that's true, he did it on purpose just to get attention. :animesigh[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]That's just sad really. Talk about needing a time out as ChibiHorsewoman put it. Regardless if the procedure is later considered a bit too harsh, no one should get fired over dealing with a total moron like that. Especially since it seems that he got the attention he wanted. Getting in the news and all over the Internet as well.

[SunfallE]

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"][FONT="Lucida Sans Unicode"]Well ignoring everything said so far since I'm too lazy to quote people here... Between what I've read online, the police report and diving into this guys own websites and such. It was nothing more than him attempting to get attention without care or regard to anyone there, including the officers present since he clearly didn't care who was affected by all the nonsense he was doing for the benefit of cameras. If anything, he deserves a real sentence and a reality check for such immature behavior. Sounds like the one getting off lightly here is him instead of the law. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[Chaos]

Can I take this time to be an advocate for the campus police?

The guy was pressing into unrelated matters at a conference with a presidential candidate. Then, when being escorted out he broke away and started to make his way down the isle. The whole time he was screaming and shouting, causing a massive disturbance. And then tried to go back when they brought him to the door. He continued to struggle, even when wrestled to the floor he continued. They had him on the floor for a full minute, warning him to stop.

And then he cursed at the cops.

****ing idiot.

That's the first rule you never break.

They never made a move to arrest him until they had him on the floor. Up until then, they were escorting him, albeit forcefully, from the auditorium. Not once did they say, at least that I can hear over his obnoxious whining, that they were going to arrest him. It wasn't until that he broke free out of their grip for the second time that the handcuffs were even brought out.

The taser they used on him was probably less than a twenty amp four shot. That's a little stronger than a bark collar for a dog. The loud and annoying "OW OW OW" was an attention whore begging for attention.

The fact that he walked out with them, pushing against the cops is proof enough that it wasn't enough to "stun" him. Another sign is that the other cops were not effected by the electrical current. The taser was a good call. It was used to quickly and effectively subdue the suspect to remove him from the scene.

The cops did their job. Precedent tells them to. Who knows what idiot has a gun these days.

And as much as I hate to say it, the reason you're so disgusted with this situation is because the media loves to blow **** out of proportion, especially when a presidential candidate is involed.

How about we go back to just after Katrina here, a black guy down in the Quarter was pinned against a wall by one officer while another repeatedly punched him in the back of his head, as his face slammed into a brick wall. And by repeatedly I mean around ten or twenty times.

Bet you didn't see that on CNN.

Please. Some idiot resists arrest and gets what's coming to him. Get over it.


And before you say "How would YOU like it if it was YOU?" I [i]have[/i] been 'escorted' by police before and I [i]have[/i] been tasered. It isn't fun, but you get that when you sling a cop off you.