Discuss The Abyss 2.0???

[Darren]

[SIZE=1]Just to get my foot in the door way early, so that someone else doesn't steal my thunder... *glares at Sandy*

I would just like to post up this thread again, reminding everyone of the creation of The Abyss, the 5th (What would have been the 4th) installment to the Death Card Series created by Sandy.

Once again, this thread has merely been created to let everyone know that I'm interested in creating it and that I have the time to manage the entire thing.

So, I already know some of the players, but now my question is when to start this thing... I feel that there should definately be some time in between all of it, but perhaps since The Abyss will be returning to the originality of The Labyrinth and its predecessors, there doesn't need to be as long of a wait.

You guys let me know. If I get enough interest, I would create the thing tomorrow, but the only stipulation is that at least two of the four previous winners participate. (I know that last time I was anxious to have all 3, but now It doesn't matter. 3 would be good, 4 would be great, but it doesn't matter)

Let me know before this gets side-stepped. :p

[URL="http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?t=55804&highlight=Labyrinth"][B]The Labyrinth[/B][/URL] created by: [I]Sandy[/I][/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Winner: [B]SunfallE[/B][/SIZE]
[SIZE=1][URL="http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?t=56925&highlight=Maze"][B]The Maze[/B][/URL] created by: [I]Rachmaninoff[/I][/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Winner: [B]Indifference[/B][/SIZE]
[SIZE=1][URL="http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?t=57091&highlight=Labyrinth"][B]The Panopticon[/B][/URL] created by: [I]Deus ex Machina[/I][/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Winner: [B]BKStyles[/B][/SIZE]

[U]Alternate Time Line[/U]
[SIZE=1][URL="http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?t=58038&highlight=Labyrinth"][B]The Ragnarok[/B][/URL] created by: [I]Sandy[/I][/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Winner: [B]Rachmaninoff[/B][/SIZE]

[SIZE=1]I decided that The Ragnarok was a bit too different from the previous 3 so I made it a sperate time line altogether. (Simply because The Abyss is going to attempt to tie the first three in) However, that doesn't meant that I wouldn't allow Rachmaninoff the option to participate in the special twist I have planned for previous winners. It would just be a little different for him.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions. Or just post them here. [/SIZE]

[Shy]

[size=6]What will make your Death Card RPG different than The Ragnarok?[/size]

[size=1]Also: Since you said that your attempt was to tie the first three games together somehow; would this new game still be any fun for those of us who did not participate in the originals?

-Shy[/size]

[Rachmaninoff]

I see a couple of major obstacles at the moment here. The first being I have finals this week, which means I'll be pretty busy starting tomorrow afternoon. The second, I have three weeks off starting next Saturday. This break comes after being extremely busy because once I take my last tests, I get my masters in music. Finally!

Anyway... but still, the point is, I'm burned out and in serious need of a rest. So until school starts again on January 7th. I have no intention of joining any rpg's no matter what they are. I'm only going to post in the ones' I'm already in.

And finally, if you have some notion of using points... I won't do something like the Ragnarok again. Unless it's been majorly re-vamped to be a hell of a lot less annoying. That was fun at first, but towards the end, it was tedious as hell and very, very frustrating. XP

So if you really want those of us who won in the next one, for me, that won't happen unless you start it next year. After classes have started on the 7th of January. Yes I'll be busy with school yet again, but I will feel more up to it since I will have gotten that much needed break in.

[Allamorph]

[quote name='Shy][size=6']What will make your Death Card RPG different than The Ragnarok?[/size][/quote]
[FONT=Arial]Easy there, man. Don't be gettin' so worked up already. I know it's important, but the phrase I remember is speak [I]softly[/I] and carry a big modrod. :p


Oi, [COLOR="DarkRed"]Darren[/COLOR] my man. Let's let things chill for a while, eh? Give the people a chance to breathe and all. I know you're itchin' to try your hand at this thing, but I know some of the players are on Death Card Overload right now, and some are a little frustrated. I mean, sports and school all have built in vacation schedules for the same reason: to give their people a chance to breathe and say "Oh, thank God I'm done for a while."

I'd also think about trying to pull in some fresher faces. I notice several players recurring throughout the history of this game, and I think after a while it gets kind of boring playing against the same old opponents over and over again. Nothing against the veterans, just that it's nice to have a new mind to figure out, a new creative muse to adapt to.

I am interested in playing. Just not yet.

:D[/FONT]

[SunfallE]

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"][FONT="Lucida Sans Unicode"]It's really simple and can be described in just two words, well other than what Rach said about the point system; if you followed along in the backstage thread of the Ragnarok then you already know how I feel about it. Anyway... the two words I have for you in regards to this...

[SIZE="3"][B]Too Soon[/B][/SIZE]

Also... Ignore Allamorph *pokes and shoves Allamorph* :p [/FONT][/COLOR]

[Darren]

I know what all of you are getting at... And yes, I also thought that it was too soon to start another series the day after the last one closed. DeM already did that with the Panopticon, and while I was refreshed after being eliminated from the Maze early on, I had the feeling that some of the players were mad at the short break.

Anyway, now to answer some questions:
[quote name='Shy'][size=6]What will make your Death Card RPG different than The Ragnarok?[/size]

[size=1]Also: Since you said that your attempt was to tie the first three games together somehow; would this new game still be any fun for those of us who did not participate in the originals?

-Shy[/size][/QUOTE]
Well now, Shy, I don't know whether to interpret the size 6 font as enthusiasm or anger... :p However, In addition to returning to the original style of the Labyrinth (Which means NO POINTS) I have a few handy dandy cards that have never been introduced before. They're very clever, and one of them is a major component to the game and how I conclude it. (The card is also foreshadowed in the intro to the game, which will be posted when I come up with a definite date)

Other than that, I can't tell you how exactly it will be different... It's a surprise, but I'll tell you that while remaining true to the original 3, (and adding in elements from The Ragnarok) I've come up with a system that it totally original and never been used before.

And no, you won't be left out if you haven't played the other death card games. The only ones who require knowledge is the past winners. (Which they already have the knowledge since they won, duh) I've set up my chapter system to explain everything as the story progresses, just like a real story, and when everything is tied in, I hope that everyone will be pleased with the result.
[quote name='Rachmaninoff']I see a couple of major obstacles at the moment here. The first being I have finals this week, which means I'll be pretty busy starting tomorrow afternoon. The second, I have three weeks off starting next Saturday. This break comes after being extremely busy because once I take my last tests, I get my masters in music. Finally!

Anyway... but still, the point is, I'm burned out and in serious need of a rest. So until school starts again on January 7th. I have no intention of joining any rpg's no matter what they are. I'm only going to post in the ones' I'm already in.

And finally, if you have some notion of using points... I won't do something like the Ragnarok again. Unless it's been majorly re-vamped to be a hell of a lot less annoying. That was fun at first, but towards the end, it was tedious as hell and very, very frustrating. XP

So if you really want those of us who won in the next one, for me, that won't happen unless you start it next year. After classes have started on the 7th of January. Yes I'll be busy with school yet again, but I will feel more up to it since I will have gotten that much needed break in.[/QUOTE]
Same here... Personally, I wasn't too partial to starting it this soon anyway. (And I kind of knew that people weren't going to be ready, so I didn't feel like an idiot for making the statement) I will very much agree with your idea to start it after New Year's, since I am also enrolled in some college classes this semester, and I also have finals this week. (Which I should be working on right now, but...)
[quote name='Allamorph'][FONT=Arial]Oi, [COLOR="DarkRed"]Darren[/COLOR] my man. Let's let things chill for a while, eh? Give the people a chance to breathe and all. I know you're itchin' to try your hand at this thing, but I know some of the players are on Death Card Overload right now, and some are a little frustrated. I mean, sports and school all have built in vacation schedules for the same reason: to give their people a chance to breathe and say "Oh, thank God I'm done for a while."

I'd also think about trying to pull in some fresher faces. I notice several players recurring throughout the history of this game, and I think after a while it gets kind of boring playing against the same old opponents over and over again. Nothing against the veterans, just that it's nice to have a new mind to figure out, a new creative muse to adapt to.

I am interested in playing. Just not yet.

:D[/FONT][/QUOTE]
I completely agree. The only problem is getting those people to sign up... I've told some of my closer friends on OB about it and they said they'll try to sign up, but there's no guarentees. I know that if a lot of the "stars" of OB sign up, then more of the "fresher faces" will see that and say, "Hey, there's some big names in this RP, sounds cool." But I can only hope.
Beyond that, I have no clue how to recruit. Keep in mind this is really my first RP I've hosted. (Well besides that one that didn't quite work out a long time ago *cough*) What do you think?
[quote name='SunfallE'][COLOR="RoyalBlue"][FONT="Lucida Sans Unicode"]It's really simple and can be described in just two words, well other than what Rach said about the point system; if you followed along in the backstage thread of the Ragnarok then you already know how I feel about it. Anyway... the two words I have for you in regards to this...

[SIZE="3"][B]Too Soon[/B][/SIZE]

Also... Ignore Allamorph *pokes and shoves Allamorph* :p [/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
'Nuff said... I agree completely.

I'm still a novice here. A lot of what I do is directly influenced by what everyone else says. However, considering the 4 comments I've already received, I'm prepared to say that The Abyss will not start until at least the new year... Now the question is: How early in the new year is ready enough?

[2010DigitalBoy]

[COLOR="DarkOrange"]I'd wait till around spring break time to even bring up another death card game. The things are massive, time-sapping opuses requiring a lot of atention from all involed. Wait till things are a little more downtempo and the last one is far off in our memories, lol. I would really like to be in a death card game, but obviously I didn't have time for Sandy's (well, it als had something to do with being unable to get into the live-action chaacters) so I'd definitely say give everyone time. [/COLOR]

[Horendithas]

[COLOR="Indigo"][quote name='SunfallE'][COLOR="RoyalBlue"][FONT="Lucida Sans Unicode"][SIZE="3"][B]Too Soon[/B][/SIZE] [/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]Exactly, and like Rach, I intend to spend my upcoming three weeks off being completely and totally lazy. So no new rpg's for me either since I intend to only spend time on the one's I'm already in.

As for how soon in the next year? Just wait and post here again after school is going and see how people are feeling at that time, because until we get there, we won't know really. [/COLOR]

[Sandy]

So much hatred towards the Ragnarok... :'( *sniff*

Well, y'all loved it at least partially, I know that. ;P

I concur, [B]Darren[/B], that it could be too early to jump the gun to a new game (especially since technically the last game hasn't closed yet), but this you already knew. I'm sorry if you still feel that I stole your game way back then, but you yourself said you didn't really have time to do it then anyway (which was prooved by you dropping out of my game).

I'm glad that you now have the time and the enthusiasm to carry on with this game, because those two qualities you will need for the whole duration of the game. ;D

Also, [B]Deus Ex[/B], [I]live-action[/I] characters?! Are you kidding me?

[Allamorph]

[quote name='Darren']I know that if a lot of the "stars" of OB sign up, then more of the "fresher faces" will see that and say, "Hey, there's some big names in this RP, sounds cool."[/quote]
[FONT=Arial]I wasn't meaning to indicate only the newer members by that. It'd be great to get new guys involved ? not that I consider myself too terribly seasoned, mind ? but I was including anyone who hasn't yet participated, which also extends to, as you put it, some of the "stars" of the Boards. Were I able to devote enough time to strategy, I know I would enjoy the chance to cross wits with, say, [COLOR="DarkRed"]Vicky[/COLOR], or someone like [COLOR="DarkRed"]Athena[/COLOR] or [COLOR="DarkRed"]James[/COLOR] whom I know virtually nothing about.

And was it just me, or did the [COLOR="DarkRed"]Lady A.[/COLOR] start up with the Coming Attractions thread again?[/FONT]

[Darren]

Just trying to keep this alive here.

I didn't want to forget about it and then let the thread get bumped to the second page and I accidently create a new one.

But now that I've posted: What does everyone think? Christmas break is over... I know DB said wait until Spring break, but that just seems too far.

I really have no objections, but I would like to have my go at hosting... I'm gitty with excitement, but I can alwasy wait a month... or... longer (Hopefully not)

[2010DigitalBoy]

[quote name='Sandy']Also, [B]Deus Ex[/B], [I]live-action[/I] characters?! Are you kidding me?[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Missed that comment before XD sorry for using a stupid term, but yeah, I hated using real faces. I just can't get into that... can't see myself making an interesting character out of it.

and Darren, well, I've got an assload of free time now (ironically) but I don't think the others do. But, like, here's an interesting concept - why don't you create it and see if you can get a different cast of players this time? i mean, having all the usual ones tied up for a bit ought to be interesting if we can snatch up some fresh blood. At this point, we all know each other's minds in this area anyway, maybe as everyone watches it they can get a new perspective of the game thenselves.

I say start it up ASAP. [/COLOR]

[Allamorph]

[quote name='2008DigitalBoy][COLOR="DarkOrange"']I just can't get into that... can't see myself making an interesting character out of it.[/COLOR][/quote]
[FONT=Arial]Try it. You might find out it's not all that different. :animesmil

I think I mentioned the different players bit before, and I still think it wouldn't be a bad idea. If you think you could get enough, go for it. I may or may not. Depends on how my schedule shakes down.[/FONT]

[Shy]

[size=1]I think that if adding new players into the mix isn't a possibility then it would be best to change the format of the game somehow. The Ragnarok made a noble attempt to do this with the introduction of the points system, but ultimately that proved to be just as flawed as 'every character gets a card every round.' Everything seemed to subjective, and out of the players' hands.

Rather than receiving cards from the Game Master at a set time, maybe players could give Death Cards to one another! So, the Game Master would hand out a random assortment of cards to each surviving character at certain points, and then the controlling player would 'give' the cards to another character anonymously.

This would create more tension, since at least initially nobody would be certain which player they are handing off their cards to. Also, you never know if the player you handed your cards to is going to turn around and use them to kill your characters.

Anyway, I'm kind of just rambling here. For the record, I really enjoyed using live-action characters rather than anime-inspired ones.

-Shy[/size]

[Sandy]

They weren't "live-action" character any more than the characters in any other OB RPG. They were just faces of real people, which I demanded to get the feeling that the characters were real human beings (since their faces were on the screen constantly) - and to perhaps make killing them off brutally a bit more tougher (?).

I just feel like using the word "live-action" in this context mocks all those real live-action roleplayers who are putting much more effort to their rpgs than we here. Yes, I know a few LARPers myself, and greatly admire their hobby, that's why I feel so strongly about it... XP

As for the Abyss, I won't be joining this round, but I'm sure you'll get plenty of players if you posted it now, Darren. You [I]could[/I] get more if you waited, but it's up to you. ;D

[Rachmaninoff]

[quote name='Sandy;802119]They weren't "live-action" character any more than the characters in any other OB RPG. They were just faces of real people, which I demanded to get the feeling that the characters were real human beings (since their faces were on the screen constantly) - and to [B]perhaps make killing them off brutally a bit more tougher[/B] (?).[/QUOTE]>_> Well it certainly didn't work with Crystia as it didn't stop her from brutally killing off several of the souls. XP More importantly, the real pictures didn't bother me either, if anything they were more fun than the standard anime or gaming characters that are often used. It lent a more realistic air to the concept of the Ragnarok in my opinion.[quote name='Sandy']As for the Abyss, I won't be joining this round, but I'm sure you'll get plenty of players if you posted it now, Darren. [B]You [I]could[/I] get more if you waited[/B'], but it's up to you. ;D[/quote]Definitely more if you waited. Even though I enjoyed my vacation, I began the Doctorate program today and I'm a little leery of committing to something until I find out how demanding it will be. Especially since I will still be teaching and giving private lessons like I did last year. So I'm not sure on how my schedule will be just yet. Unless you're looking for new faces, in which case go ahead and see if there's an interest, I just won't be signing up at this point.

[Darren]

Okay... How about this?

I'm thinking I'll wait a week before I post the sign-up. During this time, I will be sending PMs off to virtually every member I've always wanted to see in on the Death Card games...

And then, depending on how many new and old faces, (Basically, I'm not opposed to either side) I may or may not create The Abyss...

And if it helps people sign-up, I can always post my intro to the story. (Someone also mentions "Coming Attractions." I haven't checked to see if that's been started again, but I can alwasy check into it)

But I have another question: I had a special treat planned out the previous winners. I can live without one or two of them to participate, but should I just wait until the winners can... Or perhaps approach the old faces of the death card series in order to make this work?

My whole thinking behind this new twist with the winners was that it was a whole new game... Now that they had managed to survive as a participant, I upped the difficulty to see if they had the skill, cunning, and drive to do it again...
(And even though I didn't want to reveal that much info, I'm really trying to at least get two of the past winners to play... Throw me a bone, please. :animedepr)

[Aberinkula]

[COLOR="1234"]I'd actually wouldn't mind a second go, I think I'm ready. But I think we should put to rest the Death-Trials series and make way for a new system different from the last 4 and this one. Or we could make way for a new type of card series, cause I've tried it once, despite lack of RPG, I wouldn't mind making one, but ya know, I'm not a respected RPG particapant, so it wouldn't fly off the handle anyways. *sigh*

But I do have The Legend of Terraprim comming out soon, and after that I might redux Star Ocean: Till the end of Light, seing as though a few members PMed me about joining but were busydue to other RPG's like Silver One's finale and other RPG's.[/COLOR]

[Horendithas]

[COLOR="Indigo"][quote name='Darren'](And even though I didn't want to reveal that much info, I'm really trying to at least get two of the past winners to play... Throw me a bone, please. :animedepr)[/QUOTE]You can try BKstyles, but seriously, I think most of us who won a previous death card game are still not ready to take it up again. After all, even though I was only helping with the punishments for DB's version I was still in all four of them. So at the moment I'm perfectly content with sticking to what I'm already in. I'd really like to finish up the spar I have with Beth before I even consider something new.

I commented on waiting until school started again and perhaps for you it did sooner than this, but for me? I only just had my first day of school so like Rach I've no clue just how busy or not busy I will be yet. And to be honest, I'm still not ready to play this again just yet. :p[/COLOR]

[Darren]

[SIZE="1"]Oh yeah... I forgot. College got a longer break I suppose... It makes sense considering that a lot of my college friends are still in town and not in college. Duh...

Okay, well like I said, I think I'll wait a week and go ahead and post the sign-ups. Perhaps, if the number of people is high enough, I won't need past winners. (although, that was my original intent, I'm not dead-set on it) I suppose I could just use prominent members from past installments.

Anyway, Prem, I agree with you about the cards, but it did receive that name for a reason. And keep in mind that I had planned this one to release before the Ragnarok, but didn't make it in time... So I still want to stick to my original idea instead of reworking the entire thing. (You know story and all the special twists and whatnot)

Also, Like I've said, I did create a system that is totally new to the game... It stays faithful the previous, but adds a new element. (Well actually two elements, if you consider one of the cards) However, I will take suggestions. After all, I did end up creating one of my new cards based on the opinion of a friend. (If anyone remembers Hells... He was really only here to play the death card game. And I'm pretty sure he'll be returning to play the Abyss. Don't worry though, no special treatment for him.)[/SIZE]

[2010DigitalBoy]

[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Oh yeah, Darren I should have mentioned I'm more than ready to join your rp. After all the support I've given you over time, I'd feel stupid if I didn't join. [/COLOR]

[Aberinkula]

[QUOTE]Anyway, Prem, I agree with you about the cards, but it did receive that name for a reason. And keep in mind that I had planned this one to release before the Ragnarok, but didn't make it in time... So I still want to stick to my original idea instead of reworking the entire thing. (You know story and all the special twists and whatnot)[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="1243"]I'm just saying, future installments should be a a lot difrferent. I mean the whole 'death' situation is starting to get drained, thus maybe a different system should start for the next card RPG.

In fact, the one I used did not incldue deaht in the cards, it was different.[/COLOR]

[Allamorph]

[FONT=Arial]The point of the game is to be the last owner standing. Obviously if there were no defined, structured way to go about eliminating characters, a player could simply off all of his opponents in a single, ridiculous post. :p The "cards" allow players to eliminate opposing characters while adding an element of strategy into the mix. Hence the whole concept of Death Cards.

As for the death aspect, I know of no other way the game could be played and still remain interesting. Sure, one could go the voting off route, but that's been done already, and things like deletion and banishment are essentially the same as death, don't you think?[/FONT]

[SunfallE]

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"][FONT="Lucida Sans Unicode"][quote name='Darren'](And even though I didn't want to reveal that much info, I'm really trying to at least get two of the past winners to play... Throw me a bone, please. :animedepr)[/QUOTE]I can't, the timing for me at the moment is terrible. I'm going to likely be starting a new part time job for another company starting next week. Doing the fun bit of organizing all of their personal files and other things as well. It's going to include some commute time as well, so I'll have an additional five to twenty hours of work a week on top of my normal schedule.

In other words, I'll be sticking with my current obligations and nothing else, I'm actually hoping to finish up the spar I'm in before next week so I won't have that hanging over my head either. So I won't be looking to replace it with something else.

Personally, if you want to do it now. I'd look for new people instead of the older crew, I know you say the plot needs them, but if that's the case, you'll have to wait on me. I suspect that once I've been working at the second job for a bit and I get use to how things run, I'll have time again. But right now... my free time is already taken. :p[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Darren]

I have been searching for some recruits, and I'm sure you'll be pleased to know that some of our new faces include... *drumroll*

[SIZE="4"]VICKY[/SIZE]

She said she'd give it a shot, so I'm assuming that's what she meant. I've also sent out some other PMs to people I know would be interesting to see play...

But don't pin this all on me... I know it's my RP, but you guys are essentially the ones playing. You want new faces? Help me out, because I'm still relatively new at the OB and I haven't made as much friends as some of you others... Feel free to send out invitations as well.

Sign-ups will be posted either Sunday or Monday so be expecting it.

EDIT:
I went ahead and poted the sign-ups early because I realized that I'll be a little too busy tomorrow and Monday. So go on over and sign up for the thing so it can get started. Here's a link:[URL="http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?t=58575"][B]The Abyss (Sign-Ups0[/B][/URL]