L being used?!

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]Age gives you the wisdom to realize people who rage against conformity or popular society sound just as dumb as people mired in conformity or popular society when put side by side with those persons.

Those wishing to open their eyes to this fact should read the latter portion of this thread.[/color]

[Panache]

Hip hop is teh ****...Talib Kweli forever.

Anyway

[QUOTE]Celebs and their qwuirky lyrics. Oh did you hear Jamie Lyn Spears is pregnant? GREAT! We can have a new Britney running around. Come on, cover your stump before you hump.[/QUOTE]
20 bucks it's the antichrist. Or at least semi demonic.

[2010DigitalBoy]

[quote name='DeathKnight'][color=crimson]Age gives you the wisdom to realize people who rage against conformity or popular society sound just as dumb as people mired in conformity or popular society when put side by side with those persons.

Those wishing to open their eyes to this fact should read the latter portion of this thread.[/color][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkOrange"]I don't rage against conformity by any means. I rage against what people are currently conformed to, preffering that they conform to something of my liking because I'm a winy little ***** with a god complex. As for reading the rest of this thread, I can't because the worst grammar in the world is beating me on both sides of the head. [/COLOR]

[Panache]

Really? Are we turning a thread about Gwen Stefani into this?

[Aaryanna]

[COLOR="goldenrod"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]I only have one thing to say about the original topic of this thread and that is... :blulaugh:[quote name='Arispa'][size=1]And I say unto you:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0relULkw4QI]Click[/url]

Yeah, I know, not "L" but still. Makes a good point, yea?[/size][/QUOTE]People are like that and I've never understood it myself. >_> It's just stupid really. You'd think they'd have more sense than that but I know a few people who fall for dumb marketing tactics like that. It's painful to watch them being so idiotic.[quote name='DeathKnight'][color=crimson]Age gives you the wisdom to realize people who rage against conformity or popular society sound just as dumb as people mired in conformity or popular society when put side by side with those persons.

Those wishing to open their eyes to this fact should read the latter portion of this thread.[/color][/QUOTE] So true. And one of the best posts in this entire thread. XP

Anyway, just the idea of disapproving of someone because of their choice of font and letter for a product makes me... :blulaugh: [spoiler]Even if that disapproval is meant to be a joke. *dies laughing*[/spoiler][/FONT][/COLOR]

[eleanor]

[quote name='Deus ex Machina'][COLOR="DarkOrange"]1. No, she's hideous. Along with all the fake-*** hollywood *******.
2. Like I give a **** how they feel about it.
[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[font="trebuchet ms"] I think it's funny how you think Japanese celebrities are pretty if you're so against "fake-***" beauty. Congratulations, you like the most superficial, painfully fake, and plastic surgery-filled celebrities in the world.

Have a super-fun kawaii time.[/font]

[Panache]

[quote name='Lunox'][font="trebuchet ms"] I think it's funny how you think Japanese celebrities are pretty if you're so against "fake-***" beauty. Congratulations, you like the most superficial, painfully fake, and plastic surgery-filled celebrities in the world.

Have a super-fun kawaii time.[/font][/QUOTE]

Epic Burnz!!!

[Retribution]

[quote name='Premonition'][COLOR="77656"]I hate Gwen Stefani, and I'll hate her perfume. I'd rather buy Scent de ****-stain from a prostitute in the Las Vegas ghetto. I don't know what hte **** a hollaback girl is, so WHAT IS SHE?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[font=Arial]For the record:

A holla back girl is essentially a girl a guy calls irregularly for the sex. I'll leave it to you to decode the etymology of it all.[/font]

[2010DigitalBoy]

[quote name='Lunox'][font="trebuchet ms"] I think it's funny how you think Japanese celebrities are pretty if you're so against "fake-***" beauty. Congratulations, you like the most superficial, painfully fake, and plastic surgery-filled celebrities in the world.

Have a super-fun kawaii time.[/font][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Since when do i think Japanese celebrities are pretty? Where the hell are you pulling this from?

EDIT: For clarification's sake, I like gothy white girls the best >_>[/COLOR]

[Zen]

[color=darkred][size=1]

You guys are all haters. Gwen Stefani is the dopest pop-singer around, and I'm not afraid to say it.

"Sweet Escape" is, without a doubt, one of my favorite pop songs of all time, so eat it.

I can see the resemblance, but the actual fragrance is called "L.A.M.B." and L is just the first letter of that, so its not like she's stealing the name or anything. Just the letter in that font to put on the bottle.

So yeah. Quit hatin', haters.[/color][/size]

[Aberinkula]

[QUOTE=The Boss]You guys are all haters. Gwen Stefani is the dopest pop-singer around, and I'm not afraid to say it.

"Sweet Escape" is, without a doubt, one of my favorite pop songs of all time, so eat it.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="77656"]Even though I disagree Boss, I give you [I]Ball Points[/I] for admitting this. I admit though, I used to like Hollaback girl. That was when I was a pop-star-luver.[/COLOR]

[Nerdsy]

[quote name='Retribution'][font=Arial]For the record:

A holla back girl is essentially a girl a guy calls irregularly for the sex. I'll leave it to you to decode the etymology of it all.[/font][/QUOTE]

[color=deeppink]That's one definition, and the definition least applicable to her usage of it. For her song, a "hollaback girl" is a girl who, when insulted, won't insult back. Instead, she'll fight or something.[/color]

[eleanor]

[quote name='Deus ex Machina'][COLOR="DarkOrange"]Since when do i think Japanese celebrities are pretty? Where the hell are you pulling this from?

EDIT: For clarification's sake, I like gothy white girls the best >_>[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[font="trebuchet ms"] Um, the harem thread from a while ago. I think you were the one of the first to respond, and guess what... you posted a picture of a Japanese girl! Stop trying to cover your tracks if you can't hide them. [/font]

[2010DigitalBoy]

[quote name='Lunox'][font="trebuchet ms"] Um, the harem thread from a while ago. I think you were the one of the first to respond, and guess what... you posted a picture of a Japanese girl! Stop trying to cover your tracks if you can't hide them. [/font][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkOrange"]So I just automatically like asian celebrities because I found ONE voice actress cute? :rolleyes:

You know this site is a lot like a white neighborhood sometimes...[/COLOR]

[eleanor]

[quote name='Deus ex Machina'][COLOR="DarkOrange"]So I just automatically like asian celebrities because I found ONE voice actress cute? :rolleyes:

You know this site is a lot like a white neighborhood sometimes...[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[font="trebuchet ms"] Um, as far as anime fans who say 'kawaii', yes. And if by some off chance you only find that one Asian VA cute, then you're still contradicting herself. As far as fake Asian celebrities go, the one you picked is a pretty prime example. [/font]

[Aberinkula]

[COLOR="77656"]So Lunox, you haven't tooken into considereation that maybe he doesn't like her anymore, or any asian vixem? I used to think Hayden Penettiere was hot, than I saw a picture of Cristina Scabbia or Lacuna Coil, and now she's my fanboy girl.[/COLOR]

[eleanor]

[quote name='Premonition'][COLOR="77656"]So Lunox, you haven't tooken into considereation that maybe he doesn't like her anymore, or any asian vixem? I used to think Hayden Penettiere was hot, than I saw a picture of Cristina Scabbia or Lacuna Coil, and now she's my fanboy girl.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[font="trebuchet ms"] I think he would've said he doesn't find her attractive anymore if he didn't. I'm sure he would've "tooken that into considereation."[/font]

[Panache]

I can't believe what this thread has turned into...stop letting Gwen Stefani anger you!

[James]

[quote]Now if you'll excuse me I'll be listening to 2112 and reassuring myself that people who listen to mainstream music can be likened to enjoying having sandpaper scraped across their eardrums. [/quote]

[font=franklin gothic medium]That's just sad, really. I hope you're not suggesting that pop music in general is empty garbage - you need a serious music history lesson if you believe that. "Mainstream" (depending on how you interpret it) doesn't necessarily equate to "bad".

I think we have to be very careful not to dismiss relevant art and relevant artists in our quest to be cool, or at least, to somehow represent that we're doing something different or unique.

And guys, seriously, whatever you think of Gwen Stefani...I don't see why we should devote an entire thread to bashing her personally. She's a person at the end of the day - a person who none of you actually knows, so you really aren't in a position to judge her character.

There are plenty of celebrities that I don't like (in terms of their art), but I would never sit there and go on and on about how much I hate them personally. If I don't know them personally, how can I hate who they are?

As I said before, hate is a very strong word. All of the hot air in this thread is only serving to kill brain cells as far as I'm concerned, lol.[/font]

[Korey]

[FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"]James, I couldn't have said it better myself.

On a wilder tangent (for all those who bash mainstream music haters), mainstream music isn't bad per se, it's just not your cup of tea. As a person, you dig different types of music. Some of them come from independent record labels that don't get as big a shot as other artists who sign with major record labels. If it's one thing that these major labels are doing, it's signing the good talent so that it can be heard across the world. Doesn't mean that there isn't bad musicians (in my opinion anyways) that do "mainstream" stuff, but that doesn't make indie music the end all, be all of good music. To tell you the truth, you have to look long and hard for a decent indie band or musician. Lots of indie music is really sub par to what others are producing under major record labels, because mainly of the major label's ability to generate funds and make good records.[/FONT]

[2010DigitalBoy]

[quote name='James'][font=franklin gothic medium]That's just sad, really. I hope you're not suggesting that pop music in general is empty garbage - you need a serious music history lesson if you believe that. "Mainstream" (depending on how you interpret it) doesn't necessarily equate to "bad".

I think we have to be very careful not to dismiss relevant art and relevant artists in our quest to be cool, or at least, to somehow represent that we're doing something different or unique.

And guys, seriously, whatever you think of Gwen Stefani...I don't see why we should devote an entire thread to bashing her personally. She's a person at the end of the day - a person who none of you actually knows, so you really aren't in a position to judge her character.

There are plenty of celebrities that I don't like (in terms of their art), but I would never sit there and go on and on about how much I hate them personally. If I don't know them personally, how can I hate who they are?

As I said before, hate is a very strong word. All of the hot air in this thread is only serving to kill brain cells as far as I'm concerned, lol.[/font][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkOrange"]My response to all of that can pretty much be summed up with 'as far as I'm concerned' and left at that, seeing as listing off exceptions and noting how exceptional they are defeats the purpose of generalizing in the first place, that's [i]why[/i] they're called exceptions, so yes I know all about the value of pop and everything, please don't misjudge me to be an utter twit, I just want to get my point across in regards to why I don't like gwen stefani and the sort of croud she creates.

And as for Gwen, I live by the policy that my reaction to others is based only on how they efect my life directly, and since the only interaction I have with Gwen Stefani, as indirect as it may be, is by way of her music or television appearance or the reactions that other peole have to them, namely my mum, so I'm more than happy to catalogue her in my mind as 'annoying' because that's my impression of our interaction, and I call her 'ugly' for the same reason because my tastes are obviously not aimed in that direction.

And for the love of god, Lunox, and other people here really need to learn to do this as well, why can't you just say 'sorry for misjudging you' and leave it be, you have to keep trying to find a way to make your moot point. It's more than obvious I don't give a flying **** how 'fake' you think Hirano Aya is, nor do I caer how fake she probably actually is, she's cute, whatever. Contradicting myself is something I'm more than fine with, I hate fake *******, and there are some exceptions, just like there are to the atrocity of pop music, who gives a damn. now kindly get over yourself and let me have my damn opinon without a whole bunch of badgering dickheads telling me that what I'm dong is wrong.

And that's right about why i compared it to a white neighboorhood, where everyone has their little notion that they know exactly what's right and can sit on their highhorses laughing at anyone with a little disagreeable angle on things. When it's one guy, he's always the town boob, but the minute it's another rich white bloke on a high horse it's a 'debate' and we all take it seriously. Personally, I find the whole system to be smug and disgusting, but I'm not one to move away because I don't like some of my neighboors, especially whne there are enough of the opnionless housewives running around keeping me entertained.[/COLOR]

[James]

[font=franklin gothic medium]I think the problem is that you're trying to position yourself as some martyr when that's clearly not what you are.

Why are people criticizing you? They're doing it because you're not simply talking about your preference for a type of music. Nobody will say that you have to like Gwen Stefani's music for example.

The [i]point[/i] is that you're visciously attacking someone in a personal manner - someone who you don't even know.

Don't try to pass that off as some high-minded ideal or "personal preference". It's outright bashing of another person on no real basis other than the art they produce.

If you want to be critical of art, then by all means, you can do that. Nobody is arguing otherwise.

There's nothing unreasonable at all about not wanting to turn this thread into a "let's all bash person A for no reason!" discussion. So I recommend remaining on-topic; I've never tolerated personal attacks on members, so I don't know why I'd tolerate it against anyone else.[/font]

[Justin]

That, and your metaphors don't make any sense. Just thought I'd throw that in.

The bottom line is this, I think: Music is an issue of personal taste. I have a fairly strong distaste for most pop music. Not mainstream music, and not [i]all[/i] pop music; but most.

I can't really disrespect someone who likes it, as it fits their personal taste. I still retain my whole "freeze-dried music rations for the opiated masses" opinion; but at the end of the day, that is just a personal observation, based upon a stereotype.

And I still don't really understand why people care about celebrities--whose music they don't even like--enough to 'hate' them.

James says 'hate' is a strong word, and rightly so. However, he doesn't elaborate much on that cliche, probably because if one has to elaborate on a statement like that, the elaboration will go straight over its target's head. However, I'm going to go there:

To truly love is not a feeling. It's a commitment. A commitment to the betterment of that individual, or cause, or whatever, for life.

To truly hate is the inverse. It's a commitment to the detriment of its object, for life.

I doubt--and seriously so--that anyone in this discussion is twisted enough to truly hate someone they do not know because they dislike their art.

Hate produces things more evil than war. It produces things like murder, rape, torture, and the like. That said, hate is a very inappropriate word to describe feelings about someone you have no right to judge in the first place. And to use it in this fashion ultimately makes [i]you[/i] look like a damned sight of a fool.

Now, that I'm done with my sermon, I'd support this thread being closed; if one with the jurisdiction agrees with that.

-Justin

[James]

[font=franklin gothic medium]I'm sure that the word "hate" is used as a throwaway line most of the time.

But...the only reason I make an issue in this case is because it's become so fashionable to "hate" what's popular. And for what reason, really?

The stereotype of pop music does exist for a reason, admittedly. But there are plenty of pop artists out there who actually dare to try something that isn't canned and wrapped for the masses.

Any artist who dares to actually inject some visual or aural innovation is ironically labelled as weird or a sell-out or whatever. I don't understand that.

Moreover, as I said...I'm more than happy for people to have a legitimate conversation about musical styles and stuff. That's totally cool. But devoting a whole thread to bashing someone only makes OtakuBoards look bad, honestly. lol

Anyway, Justin, I tend to agree with you. I think we already covered the "L" question, haha. :catgirl: [/font]