The Run for President USA

[Allamorph]

[quote name='Lunox][font="trebuchet ms"']And the terrorists didn't attack the US because they thought we were "weak" or someone to "ignore", they attacked us because we're an international power that has great influence in the Middle East. Attacking the US doesn't mean you don't take them seriously. Quite the opposite, in this case...[/font][/quote]
[FONT=Arial]Yes.

To be specific, they attacked us because we befriend Israel, but it's influence just the same.

[QUOTE][I][font="trebuchet ms"]I'm sorry, I just have to disagree with this. China is an [i]emerging[/i] superpower, and we don't even know if China with withstand its very possible economic bubble.[/font][/I][/QUOTE]
Personally, I'm not real optimistic about the condition of our own economy. If they are emerging, then we are most definitely declining, and both of us are about on the same level.

[QUOTE][I][font="trebuchet ms"]And if you disagree, I think it's safe to say that the US is the world's greatest superpower.[/font][/I][/QUOTE]
I think it's safe to say that the U.S. is the world's [I]biggest name[/I], but that's about as far as I'd go. We have clout, and a good deal of that; and we have our status as a debtor nation; but we're getting shaky as far as I see things.[/FONT]

[Morpheus]

[quote name='Allamorph'][FONT=Arial]I think it's safe to say that the U.S. is the world's [I]biggest name[/I], but that's about as far as I'd go. We have clout, and a good deal of that; and we have our status as a debtor nation; but we're getting shaky as far as I see things.[/FONT][/QUOTE]
I don't think there's any doubt that the US is, economically and militarily, the most powerful nation that the world has ever known.

[Endymion]

[SIZE="1"][COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"]I'm a registered Republican and have been even before I signed up for the military back in ancient times. I was shooting for Mitt Romney at the start of the Republican race. Was never really a Ron Paul fan or a Huckabee-hugger (aside from Chuck Norris!). But Mitt did the right thing by withdrawing early, and allowing McCain to focus nationally quite some time ago, unliked the still-fighting Democrats. Out of the two Democratic candidates, I would throw my chips in with Obama. I have a deep disgust for Clinton. Her husband wasn't too shabby as the Commander-in-Chief, though I disagreed majorly on a few of his works. My friend said, out of the two contenders, Obama was the lesser of two evils. I like Obama, great orator and all. I'm starting to believe in what he says. Gonna be a hard choice between him and McCain for me at this point, still a long road until November. [/COLOR][/SIZE]

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[COLOR=Navy][FONT=Book Antiqua]I'll finish up my part in this thread with this statement:
[B]I don't trust politicians.
[/B]Democrat or Republican, Green party or Nazi party, I don't really think any of them have the peoples' well being in mind.
I feel slightly different about Obama, but then again, who knows what's going on in his mind? Or Clinton's, or McCain's?

And as for pulling out of Iraq, whether we do or not makes little difference as to how they feel about us.
The damage is done. So unless Bush, or the next President, has some sort of time machine to go back and prevent the US from invading Iraq, I doubt they're really going to like us either way.

I guess that about sums up my say. :animesmil
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[Stuart]

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[Morpheus]

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That may be the least effective political advertisement I've ever seen.

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[COLOR=Navy][FONT=Book Antiqua]I have to agree.
That was... well, yeah.
No comment. (Otherwise I'll start with the old 'Figures, Republicans...' lecture that will probably make someone unhappy with me.)
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[Doublehex]

Who will I vote for? Well, that is a tricky question, considering I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I am effectively neutral, because for oh so many reasons, aligning yourself with any political party is a bad move.

For the longest time, I supported Ron Paul. There was not a single thing that he said that made me think by supporting him I was compromising my beliefs. But of course, he's out of the race, like all the good politicians usually are.

I don't support McCain because he's simply another Bush, and I don't like Bush as President.

Between Obama and Clinton, I am somewhat drawn. I support Clinton %100 on her Universal Healthcare. Britain, Canada, French, the Netherlands, and even Cuba - they all have universal healthcare. France's cost comes to around 120 dollars a month. And you get free hospital treatment. Got cancer? No cost for you...except for the healthcare tax. No matter what you have, you pay only 120 dollars a month.

America is ranked has some of the worst healthcare in the entire world, according to research conducted by the United Nations. We are the only western country without universal healthcare.

But, I am not supportive of pulling out of Iraq. As one guy said, we already heave enough blood on our hands - why add more to it?

In the end, I don't know who to support, mostly because I don't know enough about Obama and Clinton.

[Morpheus]

[quote name='Matt']Between Obama and Clinton, I am somewhat drawn. I support Clinton %100 on her Universal Healthcare. Britain, Canada, French, the Netherlands, and even Cuba - they all have universal healthcare. France's cost comes to around 120 dollars a month. And you get free hospital treatment. Got cancer? No cost for you...except for the healthcare tax. No matter what you have, you pay only 120 dollars a month.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that there are people that don't have that much to spare every month. Also, it would cost much more here because of geography.

[Doublehex]

Yes, but isn't Healthcare as we know it more expensive?

And what happens to when somebody gets cancer? Not everyone can afford cancer treatment, so what do we do? Just leave them hanging?

It should also be noted that $120 a month is just France. It may be more or less expensive in other countries.

[Allamorph]

[QUOTE=Matt]Yes, but isn't Healthcare as we know it more expensive?

And what happens to when somebody gets cancer? Not everyone can afford cancer treatment, so what do we do? Just leave them hanging?

It should also be noted that $120 a month is just France. It may be more or less expensive in other countries.[/QUOTE]
[FONT=Arial]The bottom line is, the Federal government should not have a say in healthcare distribution because that opens the door to Federal [I]control[/I] of healthcare.

The idea of Federal regulation of healthcare is extremely Communist. And although it's a very nice and altruistic theory, it does not work in real life. It's far too easy to manipulate at the higher levels, and our government does [I]not[/I] have enough saints across the board for me to trust any more communist ideas to it than we already have.

(Welfare comes to mind. And it's a broken system anyway.)[/FONT]

[Doublehex]

But that's not the only thing the government controls.

Libraries are universal. Everybody gets free books. I like my free books. Schools are universal too, and no one says that is communist either.

And if you honestly think having universal healthcare is communist, then I guess England, France, and good old Canada is Communist too.

Our healthcare system is broken. When our Healthcare companies have lists of illnesses they won't cover that is so long it could circle a normal sized house two or three times, when Hospitals will just put their patients in the streets because they can't pay their expenses, when the healthcare companies actually encourage their inspectors to deny claim (and they get a raise if they get the highest amount of that month!), you know we need something else. And those other countries have had universal healthcare since at least the mid '40s (England).

[Nerdsy]

[quote name='Matt']Schools are universal too, and no one says that is communist either.
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[color=deeppink]Yes they do. That's pretty much the rallying cry for those who want privitization of education.[/color]

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]Haha, as a socialist, am I allowed in this thread anymore? I see one Joseph McCarthy and I am sure that isn't the only one around here. Don't want to be blacklisted by anyone. ;P

Socialized medicine works. It works in the majority of Europe. It works in Canada. Is it a system of perfection, a system without mistakes, a system that is absolute in its accomplishment of better health care? No, it is simply that - a system, a system that offers improvements over the current one.

You can fear corruption, but that is inevitable and I do not think that one can say that the current privatized system somehow limits corruption, lol. A couple of weeks ago my 65 year old mother was told by her primary physician that she could not come to that doctor anymore because she was switching to Medicare. This is merely an example, and I know that this does not affect everyone. However, there are numerous examples of corruption, greed, and incompetence both within the insurance industry and medical profession itself.

The problem with welfare is not that it is too socialist, it is actually a multitude of things. The overwhelming need, the Republican tax cuts destroying our budget, and, really, the welfare system is such a half-hearted attempt it would be pitiful to call it anything remotely socialist, lol.

Lastly, and most importantly, as a socialist I can say very pointedly that neither Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama are offering socialist ideas. If they were, they would advocate, as I have in my fondest dreams, the complete elimination of private insurance companies. Your ONLY option would be to go government.

Universal health care is NOT socialist. Don't piss yourselves, this country is still a long way from that [strike]terror[/strike] progress.[/color]

[chibi-master]

Ummm... I'm not even old enough to vote. If I did though, I would go for Obama. McCain is uber old. So if elected, his first act as president will probably be to drop dead. Hilary can't smile. YES! THAT'S MY REASONING, SHUT UP! If we can't have a president who can smile without looking like a smushed barbie, why have one at all?!
It's stupid but it's my reasoning. Plus Hilary is an ice cold witch that has dishonesty to the max. I don't give a rat's *** if she IS also a girl, she's a sewer rat.

[eleanor]

[quote name='chibi-master']Ummm... I'm not even old enough to vote. If I did though, I would go for Obama. McCain is uber old. So if elected, his first act as president will probably be to drop dead. Hilary can't smile. YES! THAT'S MY REASONING, SHUT UP! If we can't have a president who can smile without looking like a smushed barbie, why have one at all?!
It's stupid but it's my reasoning. Plus Hilary is an ice cold witch that has dishonesty to the max. I don't give a rat's *** if she IS also a girl, she's a sewer rat.[/QUOTE]

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Kill me now.[/font]

[Allamorph]

[QUOTE=Lunox][font=trebuchet ms]

Kill me now.[/font][/QUOTE]
[FONT=Arial]Now, why would I do a fool thing like that? =P

[quote name='DeathKnight][COLOR="Red"']Universal health care is NOT socialist. [/COLOR][/quote]
No, of course not. But it establishes precedent, and also makes private healthcare institutions mostly impractical. I'm just overly paranoid about that sort of thing.

And yeah, I'm aware of the multiple flaws in Welfare. But my main problem is that everyone is leeched from to pay for many individuals who sit on their butts and use it as an excuse, instead of assisting [I]only[/I] those who actually need it.

I also think that people who actually try to push towards the Star Trek perfect society are numbskulls. =P[/FONT]

[DeathKnight]

[quote name='Allamorph'][FONT=Arial]No, of course not. But it establishes precedent, and also makes private healthcare institutions mostly impractical. I'm just overly paranoid about that sort of thing.

And yeah, I'm aware of the multiple flaws in Welfare. But my main problem is that everyone is leeched from to pay for many individuals who sit on their butts and use it as an excuse, instead of assisting [I]only[/I] those who actually need it.

I also think that people who actually try to push towards the Star Trek perfect society are numbskulls. =P[/FONT][/QUOTE]


[color=crimson]Administrative problems are not an issue of ideology. It is a problem of bureaucracy. It is hardly the fault of either a fiscal conservative, socialist, or anyone else that it is [b]run[/b] poorly, lol.

How does it establish a precedent when we are discussing the welfare system? The United States has taken control of key industries numerous times in the past (New Deal era, both World Wars) with no sudden slide towards "the Reds" controlling you, lol.

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