Body Mod

[chibi-master]

[quote name='GSValkanas']((Of course, this is from a guy who's done all his piercing, even the lip, in school.))[/QUOTE]

How the heck old are you...:animedepr

[James]

[font=franklin gothic medium]I did have an eyebrow piercing for about two years or so. It was starting to come out late last year and I just didn't bother keeping it in. It seemed determined to come out no matter what I did, so I chose to let it come out rather than leave a scar.

Other than that I've had nothing else done.

As far as tattoos go, I personally wouldn't want to get an obvious one (just in case). But I do have a discreet one in mind that would be relevant to me. Not sure if I'll ever do that though.[/font]

[GSValkanas]

[quote name='chibi-master']How the heck old are you...:animedepr[/QUOTE]

I'm eighteen, why?

[chibi-master]

[quote name='GSValkanas']I'm eighteen, why?[/QUOTE]

Eighteen and getting your piercings in school...well, I suppose it sounds a bit better than, "I'm 14 (or any other smaller #.) and get piercings in school!".

[GSValkanas]

[quote name='chibi-master']Eighteen and getting your piercings in school...well, I suppose it sounds a bit better than, "I'm 14 (or any other smaller #.) and get piercings in school!".[/QUOTE]

Heh heh I guess.

[Raiha]

[quote name='GSValkanas']Heh heh I guess.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"][FONT="Times New Roman"]Well if you weren't you couldn't get them done. But here's something nobody's said yet. NEVER GET IT PIERECED AT CLAIRES! Or ANY PIERCING SHACK!

EVER!

EVAR!

The piercing gun is both not as clean as they'd like to make you believe, but then there's the part where it won't be as centered, wont' be as sterile, won't be as hardcore as if you get it done the way god intended all piercings to be done. With a NEEDLE. A needle. It goes into one end and out the other. The used what looked like a darning hook needle on my navel and long thin ones on my ears. Never settle for a cheap piercing gun and potential infections.

Always go to a real piercing parlor which should usually have certifications visible, be very clean, and give off a good vibe.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Vicky]

[size=1]To back up what Raiha said, piercing guns can sometimes tear up the inside of your ear (or where ever it's done). I've had two piercings (same place) and the first time it was done at Claires - the inside of the hole was ripped to shreds and I was in agony when it was healing. I couldn't put the piercing in (or it was very difficult) because it wasn't in a straight line, either. I pierced my ear a second time myself but we won't go into what happened there >_<

Though I do miss my ear piercing (only one ear mind you - right one - because I'm very defensive about my other ear).[/size]

[Darren]

I finally got a tattoo! It was exciting, although the location definitely put me for some pain...

It's on my right rib cage. (and I've been told by numerous people after I got it that they heard the ribs are one of the most painful locations to get a tattoo) It's an anchor with lyrics from one of my all-time favorite songs surrounding it. It sounds lame when I try to explain it, but it really does look cool. And since it has sentimental value, it makes it even cooler!

[Guest Crimson Spider]

I plan to keep myself rather pure in regards to piercings.

I don't mind a few piercings or tattoos. The occasional navel ring, or tattoo looks good. Adds a little variety to someone's appearance.


What annoys me is when people go on a crazy insane, unrestrained war against the plain for some claim to fame. The majority of people I know who do it don't have a theme. They just "sleeve out" with a bunch of random tattoos of cultural icons and common memes.

With all things, moderation. There comes a time when you just become obscure or offensive. Take a few google searches for most pierced man and woman, or the most tattooed man and woman, and then you will see what I'm talking about.

The line is blurred, but there is a blur you can cross there.

[Raiha]

[quote name='Crimson Spider']I plan to keep myself rather pure in regards to piercings.

What annoys me is when people go on a crazy insane, unrestrained war against the plain for some claim to fame. The majority of people I know who do it don't have a theme. They just "sleeve out" with a bunch of random tattoos of cultural icons and common memes.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"][FONT="Times New Roman"]I'm not sure where you're living right now, but it can't possibly be California. Even if they're just 'sleeving out' they're also using their body as a canvas, and that's its own art. That can be its own theme. And for the people I know who have many tattoos, many might look like random sleeves, but just because they don't take the time to go chapter and verse through every meaning with every line doesn't mean there isn't some.

Saying you're going to keep yourself pure by the way, implies a sort of arrogance against all piercings and belies a sort of prejudice. Not that there's anything truly wrong with that, but on the other hand, it's a common theme among socially conservative people. Misunderstanding, partially a call to the "body is a temple of the Holy Spirit." Am I wrong?[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Lunar]

[quote name='Raiha'][COLOR="DarkOrchid"][FONT="Times New Roman"]
Saying you're going to keep yourself pure by the way, implies a sort of arrogance against all piercings and belies a sort of prejudice. Not that there's anything truly wrong with that, but on the other hand, it's a common theme among socially conservative people. Misunderstanding, partially a call to the "body is a temple of the Holy Spirit." Am I wrong?[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="Indigo"]No, you're not at all wrong. I believe that people have a right to do whatever they want to their bodies, but also people should have respect for their bodies as well. the body wasn't made to be a canvas. a few tattoos and a few piercings are fine, as crimson spider said, but don't go overboard with it. when crimson spider said he was going to keep himself pure..........i agree. but i don't beleive that keeping yourself pure is arrogance against all piercings. if someone has the right to do with they want with their body, it's their right to keep themself pure, too; [I]without[/I] being arrogant.:catgirl:[/COLOR]

[Rachmaninoff]

[quote name='Raiha'][COLOR="DarkOrchid"][FONT="Times New Roman"]Saying you're going to keep yourself pure by the way, implies a sort of arrogance against all piercings and belies a sort of prejudice. Not that there's anything truly wrong with that, but on the other hand, it's a common theme among socially conservative people. Misunderstanding, partially a call to the "body is a temple of the Holy Spirit." Am I wrong?[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]I can't speak for Crimson Spider, but for the Mormon religion that I use to belong to, the concept of keeping your body pure (which includes more than not putting tattoos or piercings on it) is solely a religious concept. For them, it's a way of honoring the gift of life and isn't meant to be arrogant. Though people who aren't socially conservative might see it that way, and sadly some people do look down on body modifications.

Most of us really don't care one way or the other though. For myself, religion has nothing to do with it. I've never been interested in modification of any kind. You could say religion influenced that, but even though I left that behind nearly seven years ago, I still have no interest. It just doesn't appeal, at least not for myself.

[Raiha]

[quote name='Eclipsed Dreamer'][COLOR="Indigo"]No, you're not at all wrong. I believe that people have a right to do whatever they want to their bodies, but also people should have respect for their bodies as well. the body wasn't made to be a canvas. a few tattoos and a few piercings are fine, as crimson spider said, but don't go overboard with it. when crimson spider said he was going to keep himself pure..........i agree. but i don't beleive that keeping yourself pure is arrogance against all piercings. if someone has the right to do with they want with their body, it's their right to keep themself pure, too; [I]without[/I] being arrogant.:catgirl:[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"][FONT="Times New Roman"]Pure implies you are somehow better than those with any sorts of modifications. You can respect your body while it is still inked and covered in tattoos. Not everyone with tattoos on their bodies is an utter fool.

Keeping yourself unaltered, keeping yourself from needles and ink. Those are ways to say that you're just not comfortable with it yourself. How do you know what the body was and wasn't made for? Are you God? The Arbiter of all that is meant to be?[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Vicky]

[quote][B]Pauly Unstoppable[/b]

It's basically just how i feel i should look, when i see myself in my mind this is how i see myself, it makes me feel whole and complete, where some people will say the are adding to there body etc etc i feel i was born incomplete and through modification i am fixing that, making my external appearance fit more closely with my internal one, my internal appearance is not a fully clear one to me all the time, its constantly evolving, or not necessarily evolving but making itself more clear to me as time goes on, which is where the drive to get more modification comes from.[/quote]

[size=1]And also a variety of other quotes I could go on about but we'll leave it.

The human body wasn't made to do a lot of things but we still do it. Why? Probably because it's socially acceptable. If the body wasn't meant to be a canvas, then why are [i]a few[/i] tattoos fine? You don't have to fill in the entire canvas.

I admire tattoos that are art above tattoos of your dead grand mother's name or something for 'sentimental' value (unless the sentimental itself looks like a work of art - not jabbing at you Darren, your tattoo sounds magnificent). How is a few tattoos more sensible than having real art on you?

Most people who are the most tattooed men and women in the world use Pauly's quote - that they look in the mirror every morning and feel incomplete and their outer image doesn't quite fit the inside and fix that with art and modification. Everyone has an image, don't tell them where the line is, they'll simply cross it anyway and I don't think it's [i]anyone's[/i] right to tell them where the lines is just because it doesn't fit with their own (socialably acceptable) inner image.[/size]

[nezzyjean]

I have my nose pierced..but that's about it.

A ton of my friends have some pretty cool tattoos. One of them has the mario one-up on her ankle. But the one I think is coolest is my friend's tattoo of a moustasche on the side of his finger so he can hold it up under his nose when he wants to amuse himself.

I don't really know anyone who has just one tattoo though...the whole process seems pretty addicting. I think the same may go for other forms of body mod as well, but I wouldn't really know since I haven't had too much of it done myself.

[Guest Crimson Spider]

[quote]I'm not sure where you're living right now, but it can't possibly be California. Even if they're just 'sleeving out' they're also using their body as a canvas, and that's its own art. That can be its own theme. And for the people I know who have many tattoos, many might look like random sleeves, but just because they don't take the time to go chapter and verse through every meaning with every line doesn't mean there isn't some.[/quote]. I do not live in California. Just near there.


[quote]Saying you're going to keep yourself pure by the way, implies a sort of arrogance against all piercings and belies a sort of prejudice. Not that there's anything truly wrong with that, but on the other hand, it's a common theme among socially conservative people. Misunderstanding, partially a call to the "body is a temple of the Holy Spirit." Am I wrong?
[/quote]

You are wrong. As I said earlier, I don't mind a few piercings or tattoos. Though it does take a certain culture or personality to go towards an extreme. IMO, overlaying every work of Van Go into a single frame doesn't make them any more artistic or appealing.

There are several reasons why I do not want a tattoo, such as their tendency to turn a gray color when exposed to the sun, and the difficulty of removing a tattoo once your mind changes. I don't stay fastened to any one fad for any length of time, and a tattoo is just too permanent of a commitment for a meme.

[Darren]

Eh... I don't think having tattoo sleeves makes you impure. Just different. I understand where Crimson Spider is coming from, but I agree more with Raiha on the matter.

And while you may not agree with getting a tattoo of your own (for whatever reason) you have to understand that there are people in this world who are polar opposites of you. Therefor, they feel the need for full-body ink. There's nothing wrong with it and I can't understand how seeing someone like that would annoy you. If anything, you should feel sorry for them because their job opportunities are extremely limited at that point.

[Aaryanna]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"][FONT="Book Antiqua"]What Darren/Rach said is true. The Mormon church teaches you to not get piercings or tattoos or any form of body modifications. I gave up on that when I was thirteen though. Religion that is. However, when it comes to modification... I'm not interested. Other than the single piercing I got done for my ears. I don't really care if others do it though. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[Lunar]

[quote name='Darren']Eh... I don't think having tattoo sleeves makes you impure. Just different. I understand where Crimson Spider is coming from, but I agree more with Raiha on the matter.

And while you may not agree with getting a tattoo of your own (for whatever reason) you have to understand that there are people in this world who are polar opposites of you. Therefor, they feel the need for full-body ink. There's nothing wrong with it and I can't understand how seeing someone like that would annoy you. If anything, you should feel sorry for them because their job opportunities are extremely limited at that point.[/QUOTE]


[COLOR="Indigo"]yes, Darren. I've been working on that. it's a character flaw........:animedepr[/COLOR]

[Guest Crimson Spider]

You know, when I use the phrase "pure", it was more in respect to archetypes and statistics in videogames, and not towards any statement of divinity. Someone who gets a tattoo would be more readily classified as a "hybrid" in this case.


"Feeling the need" for full-body ink is ignoring the cause of the need. Someone's desire to tattoo themselves can very easily be linked to psychological issues like low self-esteem. If we want a full examination on the matter, we would pretty much have to psycho-analyze people with an unusually large amount of tattoos or piercings in order to discover if issues follow certain trends. For a personal statement, yes I do think that the majority of people who tattoo themselves beyond the third deviation have a problem, similarly to anyone who overly uses anything. Moderation is key, and if someone does not or cannot moderate, then there is likely an issue.


For the annoyance factor, I do not like having my senses assaulted with a barrage of unrelated information. If I eat chicken, I do not want every single spice in the kitchen dumped on it, for they will combine together and form a bitter and indistinguishable taste. If I am listening to music, I want rhythm and the ability to discern one instrument from another, otherwise the interference in the instruments will cause any uniqueness to be lost in a haze of white noise. If I am looking at a painting, I do not want to have every color mixed in to every spot, for they will interfere with each other and cause a brown color to emerge.

It is the same with tattoos. People covered in tattoos that are too random (I have seen some rather elaborate mosaics before) to distinguish them as individual or a group at any distance but point blank range behave as large gray spot in my vision. Uncomfortable, unwelcomed, and meaningless "noise" in my vision.

[Lunar]

[COLOR="Indigo"]that's just......wow. i mean........wow. i agree with you fully. that's all i have to say.[/COLOR]

[Raiha]

[quote name='Crimson Spider']For the annoyance factor, I do not like having my senses assaulted with a barrage of unrelated information. If I eat chicken, I do not want every single spice in the kitchen dumped on it, for they will combine together and form a bitter and indistinguishable taste. If I am listening to music, I want rhythm and the ability to discern one instrument from another, otherwise the interference in the instruments will cause any uniqueness to be lost in a haze of white noise. If I am looking at a painting, I do not want to have every color mixed in to every spot, for they will interfere with each other and cause a brown color to emerge.

It is the same with tattoos. People covered in tattoos that are too random (I have seen some rather elaborate mosaics before) to distinguish them as individual or a group at any distance but point blank range behave as large gray spot in my vision. Uncomfortable, unwelcomed, and meaningless "noise" in my vision.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"][FONT="Times New Roman"]Nobody asks you to stare at them for hours and hours. Are you saying you would not hold discourse with one covered in tattoos and piercings regardless of their intelligence?

Rob Rotten is covered in tattoos and yet he's an intelligent [if morally void] human who is fun to talk to and talk business with. He's said it himself. He's a collector. He gets work done on himself from artists he's worked with and collaborated with on his movies. You'd be uncomfortable speaking to him? Or to the girls with mosaics on their backs?[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]

[SIZE="1"]~Disclaimer since you forgot to put one Raiha dear, we don't need you [I]adding[/I] to it either so I trimmed that one out. Anyway, don't look at the full version people if being flipped off offends you~ Indi[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Vicky]

[quote name='Crimson Spider']
"Feeling the need" for full-body ink is ignoring the cause of the need. Someone's desire to tattoo themselves can very easily be linked to psychological issues like low self-esteem. If we want a full examination on the matter, we would pretty much have to psycho-analyze people with an unusually large amount of tattoos or piercings in order to discover if issues follow certain trends. For a personal statement, yes I do think that the majority of people who tattoo themselves beyond the third deviation have a problem, similarly to anyone who overly uses anything. Moderation is key, and if someone does not or cannot moderate, then there is likely an issue. [/QUOTE]

[SIze=1]So people who do what they want with their body have a problem? People who try to improve themselves to the standards [i]they[/i] set clearly have a problem, right? They just want to look good and how they see themselves. No one is born perfect at all (at least to people who are modified) and those who have the balls to fix the outer image to conform to their inner image don't have a problem, they simply have bravery.

Just because it doesn't conform with your idea of a perfect pure inner image doesn't mean it's wrong or they have a problem. Personally I'm pretty offended and bewildered that you could even consider saying something like that. I'll say it again: I don't think anyone has the right to tell them what's moderate because it's their idea of what they should look like, not yours.

And for the 'God made you that way argument' I have this. It's more like God gave you a mould and said, "Go on kids, use your imagination!".

[B]@ Raiha:[/B] Mister Rotten's chest art is absolutely divine. And I like his mohawk because it makes me miss mine >_<[/size]

[James]

[quote]Someone's desire to tattoo themselves can very easily be linked to psychological issues like low self-esteem.[/quote]

[font=franklin gothic medium]I don't really think I need to add to what has been said already, but this statement is [i]obviously[/i] utterly false. Saying that tattoos can be "very easily" linked to psychological issues like low-self esteem does not make it so.

I think it also lumps everybody with tattoos into a single group without regard for their individual personalities.

Generally it is not a good idea to do this. I'm sure you wouldn't like being thrown into a single group and having all sorts of assumptions made about you.

[i]You[/i] may not like tattoos, but don't turn your personal view into some kind of objective fact. Bad idea.

Better to just state your personal view and point out why you wouldn't be interested in tattoos. Nobody would have an issue with that, but people do tend to take issue when they are basically marginalized or when someone suggests that they are mentally ill.[/font]

[chibi-master]

Whoa, Raiha! Izzat you in the second picture?! If so, did you know that you give a great glare of death and I adore you for it now?:animesmil

Oh yeah, back on topic...I don't really care too much what people do with their bodies. Although, I'm not a big fan of people putting tattoos all over their bodies. But I can stand it.