Islam Is The Light: Baby Doll Mayhem.

[Raiha]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"][FONT="Times New Roman"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKahCRbWnkw

Now setting aside that it's Fox News, you can simply google "islam is the light + baby" or doll, or any variant and get the soundbyte. What do you hear? I don't hear "Satan is King" but I do hear rather clearly "Islam Is The Light."

Fisher Price - Mattel - has sent out a very lawyerly response to the vehement response from the general public. And while I'm okay with a doll that says that, my condition for being okay with it is when they come out with other dolls that say things like: "The Buddha speaks Truth" and "Jesus is the King of Kings." What do you think this means? If you think it was an accident or a snafu, explain the reasoning. If you think it was intentional, what possible motivation could a toy company have for distributing this doll across the entire nation at Target, Wal Mart, etc?

Oh wait, I found the response from Mattel. Note the use of the word "scripted." Wahaha![/FONT][/COLOR]

[URL="http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20156048&BRD=2754&PAG=461&dept_id=597380&rfi=6"]Bingo.[/URL]

[Malkav]

I personally see nothing wrong with the doll saying that, I do see something wrong with you wanting them to release other dolls to stay PC. In my opinion I think if Mattel is only trying to target the (growing) islamic audiences in the nation then they should go through with it. They've probably found a market for toys like that, however, I think they will have done their research and won't release a christian or buddhist variation for the simple fact that the market either doesn't exist or is not yet profitable.

I don't believe making buddhist and christian variants will make it ok, I think its fine being a uniquely religious toy. By your logic why don't all the Bible publishers publish Islamic texts as well because aren't they purposfully leaving out other faiths as well? Why don't the peddlers selling WWJD paraphernalia also sell WWAD stuff?

Of course comparing joe schmoe to a multi-national corporation is a little farfetched, but I truly believe if he can do what he likes, they should have free choice too when it comes to what market they want to target.

[The13thMan]

[FONT="Trebuchet MS"]I don't hear "Islam" necessarily, but i do get the "is the light" part. I suppose if you were listening for "Islam is the light" it'd be pretty easy to hear it. I personally don't have a huge problem with it. Why can't little muslim kids get a doll too? [/FONT]

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[color=#9933ff]Personally I think some people just have overly active imaginations and way too much time on their hands. Really I've seen the doll and tried it out in a few stores (Yes, I play with dolls in the store :animeswea) and all it does is gurgle. Nothing big.

I think everyone is just going overboard over nothing. It's like a few years back when Jerry Fawell decided that one of the Tellatubbies was gay because it carried a purse. Really aren't there more serious issues to worry about?[/color]

[Raiha]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"][FONT="Times New Roman"]Note: look how it's billed. Notice that there is NOTHING on the doll itself to indicate an Islamic slant or any other such thing.

It's billed as a cooing baby doll, not an Islamic cooing baby doll. And this is Matel, not Zondervan Publishing. Fisher Price to be precise. And think about it Malkav. The general population of America that would in fact be buying these dolls are Christians, as we still remain a nation that has that reputation and hence the market for a doll that said "Jesus Is Lord" would be fine. Only the doll is not being marketed to Muslims and Fisher Price's response to the outrage admits as much.

Their stance is still: "IT IS MAKING COOING NOISES!" So we shouldn't even be hearing "--is the light" in the first place.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='Raiha'][COLOR="DarkOrchid"][FONT="Times New Roman"]Their stance is still: "IT IS MAKING COOING NOISES!" So we shouldn't even be hearing "--is the light" in the first place.[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[color=#9933ff]My stance is if they're hearing 'is the light' then their Zoloft isn't working correctly or they need to up the dose.[/color]

[Drizzt Do'urden]

I wish I would have heard it before reading this. Because I'm not sure if I'm hearing "islam is the light" because it say sit, or because all the hype about it and then listening to it. I did hear it either way though.

I would have to agree with Raiha's first post about the intentions though. If they did it on purpose then they need to bring out toys that recognize other religons. Though in classic Raiha form, you can never tell how much of her post is geard towards firing others up and how much of it is actual opinion.

I sort've wonder if its just cooing but sounds similar to "islam is the light". Some people said they heard it spout "satan is the king". So it very well could be cooing that just sounds somewhat similar to the islam thingy.

The only main problem I would have with a toy like this, is 1. it should be clearly labled. Just as a doll that says "Jesus Loves me" should be labled properly. Its not a "I hate islam and i wouldn't buy their **** toys" thing. Its more of a I don't want my children to pick their religion based on a toy thing, and you can argue that kids don't do that. But kids are very impressionable and can be influenced by something as simple as that.

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]All I hear is "I hope no one thinks this says Islam is the light and looks stupid!"[/color]

[Nathan]

[FONT="Arial"]Without someone in advance telling me what it's supposed to be saying, it comes across more as gibberish than as an actual statement. I think the article you linked to Raiha says it all.

"Actual sounds may be imprecise due to sound compression played through the very tiny inexpensive toy speakers from the doll."

And even taking that into consideration, it still sounds like gibberish, I did a little browsing to find more than just that video you produced, to hear more than one recording of the supposed phrase. Kind of ironic how many of them lack the M at the end of the first word that would be necessary for it to even be saying Islam.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LQTxRIRXN0"][U]Controversy[/U][/URL] [/FONT]

[TheShinje]

This is like those times mothers are convinced thier tot has spoken, but it is merely coincidental cooing.

Another example is backmasking, the art of listening to a record backwards and applying some imagination to the garbled gibberish.

I'm not worried about it. At worst it's a message of peace from a religion different to mine. Bleh.

[Guest Crimson Spider]

Personally I think that it is a sick sense of humor or a series of coincidences that lead to this.


Also, I think it is solely the responsibility of the parents for indoctrination. I would recall the doll myself, for whatever reason that caused this issue. Mainly, having a doll recognized as saying "Islam is the light. Satan is king" would reflect very badly on the company, and would also result in more losses than in gains. I don't think that it will actually indoctrinate anyone, but it is still a nuisance.

[Gavin]

[quote name='Drizzt Do'urden']I wish I would have heard it before reading this. Because I'm not sure if I'm hearing "islam is the light" because it say it, or because all the hype about it and then listening to it.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE="1"]Agreed, I'm pretty sure I hear the "is the light" part but that first word is just a little too garbled for it to be clear enough to say one way or another.

Honestly though people are blowing this way out of proportion, it's probably just some prank pulled by a bored employee out in Fisher Price for a laugh to see if anyone would notice.[/SIZE]

[DeLarge]

[SIZE=1]Quick! We musn't hesitate in sending all of these dolls to Guantanamo Bay and holding them without trial! They are clearly harbingers of the end days and messengers for hateful terrorists!

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[Vicky]

[size=1]Haha I don't know what everyone's worried about if it is saying that.

The shop at the top of Cheetamhill sells real Islamic dolls for children that speak Arabic... or something... and it's not some tiny corner shop, either, it's probably a company though I wouldn't know. God knows what they say. Maybe FisherPrice is taking a book from the ethnic majorities here =p.

And Sabre is also correct that it's like listening to records backwards. Human beings have an amazing talent for finding patterns that aren't even there.[/size]

[Mr. Blonde]

I doubt fisher price has an Islamic agenda, but it does sound eeriely like "islam is the light" but like drizzt said I wish I would have just heard the doll before I heard anyone's opinion because I expected to hear it. What happened to being upfront about brainwashing children? Oh wait here we are, talking bible dolls. And yes I have seen these in the store and they're even more ridiculous then they appear here:



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[Rachmaninoff]

Like Nathan said, in other videos out there, when you listen to them, there is no M at the end of the first word, making the idea that it says Isalm moot. I could possibly agree to the other words, but I wonder how much of that is influenced from seeing all the hype being circled around about this doll.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[color=#9933ff]I've seen this doll in a local [B]Target[/B] as recently as this afternoon and the closest to words I could understand from the dolls (yes dolls, plural more than one, like four or five) was mama gurgle gurgle coo. And this was [I]after[/I]reading the thread last night.

I believe the 'Islam is the light' thing is from someone's over active imagination[/color]

[TheShinje]

[quote name='Katakidoushi']I doubt fisher price has an Islamic agenda, but it does sound eeriely like "islam is the light" but like drizzt said I wish I would have just heard the doll before I heard anyone's opinion because I expected to hear it. What happened to being upfront about brainwashing children? Oh wait here we are, talking bible dolls. And yes I have seen these in the store and they're even more ridiculous then they appear here:



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I await the connection between making toys in line with ones beliefs and brainwashing children, a serious allegation.

There is a difference. :animesigh

Those toys are pure tack. I doubt their hypnotic capabilities, I don't deny their laugh factor though!

[Aaryanna]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"][FONT="Book Antiqua"]I don't hear it either. You get out there and look around on youtube and listen to different recordings and like Nathan said, most of them lack that 'm' sound that would be required at the end of the first word for it to be saying Islam.

This whole thing sounds like someone let their imagination get the better of them. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[Justin]

This is just more proof of the hidden liberal agenda that's sweeping the United States. First the hearts and minds of innocent youngsters, next the White House.

And you're all the victims! So go ahead and elect your Obama Bin Laden! Then he'll declare jihad on you and your family! You're gonna eat your babies!

"I'm John McCain, and I approve this message."

-Justin

[Sabrina]

[FONT="Tahoma"]o_O I don't hear it at all. The only thing I get is possibly the last word light. I'm going to agree with the others, people are hearing something that just isn't there. [/FONT]

[Mr. Blonde]

[quote name='Sabre']I await the connection between making toys in line with ones beliefs and brainwashing children, a serious allegation.
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And I don't see a difference between the two.

Of course they don't have actual hypnotic abilities. But they are a device of the cult that is organized religion.

I'm awaiting the angry replies to this. I'm ready.

[Vicky]

[quote name='Katakidoushi']And I don't see a difference between the two.

Of course they don't have actual hypnotic abilities. But they are a device of the cult that is organized religion.

I'm awaiting the angry replies to this. I'm ready.[/QUOTE]


[size=1]Just like plastic green army men brainwash children into becoming soldiers - like every single boy nowadays that ever played with them!

It's a toy. You simply don't buy the toy if you're not religious and you buy the toy if you're a religious family and want your child to grow up being religious - if this is 'brainwashing', then [i]teaching[/i] a child your religion is brainwashing.

That and nearly all toys nowadays portray some kind of belief that could be arguably wrong or serious. Bratz, therefore, brainwashes children into becoming band sluts, as does Barbie brainwash children into becoming pregnant vets. They may be an influence but at one point children grow up and think 'lol this is silly' and throw away the toys. Toys aren't the main influence - I hardly see how [i]any[/i] toy is going to brainwash children. If anything, it's all the powerhouses doing the brainwashing... which would be the parents and everything above them.

Organised religion is far too devious to start selling brainwashing Noah dolls.[/size]

[Mr. Blonde]

[quote name='Vicky'][size=1]Just like plastic green army men brainwash children into becoming soldiers - like every single boy nowadays that ever played with them!

It's a toy. You simply don't buy the toy if you're not religious and you buy the toy if you're a religious family and want your child to grow up being religious - if this is 'brainwashing', then [i]teaching[/i] a child your religion is brainwashing.

That and nearly all toys nowadays portray some kind of belief that could be arguably wrong or serious. Bratz, therefore, brainwashes children into becoming band sluts, as does Barbie brainwash children into becoming pregnant vets. They may be an influence but at one point children grow up and think 'lol this is silly' and throw away the toys. Toys aren't the main influence - I hardly see how [i]any[/i] toy is going to brainwash children. If anything, it's all the powerhouses doing the brainwashing... which would be the parents and everything above them.

Organised religion is far too devious to start selling brainwashing Noah dolls.[/size][/QUOTE]

I agree with everything you just said. That is my point, its not the dolls themselves, its the intent of the people who support the doll's propaganda. I said they are a "device".

[TimeChaser]

I think people will hear whatever they want to hear, I don't think it's some vast conspiracy or anything like that.