The Spectacular Professor Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 [FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Okay, so apparently my theory about it never raining in Eastern Washington because Miss A steals it is actually pretty accurate. Now that she's in Japan, it's pouring out there. Has been for the better part of the last week, too.[/FONT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 [quote name='Shinmaru']But is a win a win if one does not know about it? Also, is there anything the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit do not know?[/quote] [SIZE=1]I'm going to go with yes, simply because trying to explain the logic behind it proved tiresome and contradictory after 10 minutes. As per your second question, I would say no. In creating the entirety of existence he would surely be intimately familiar with each facet of existence.[/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korey Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 [FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"][SIZE="1"][COLOR="Navy"]Yay Phillies. One down, three to go.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrina Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 [FONT="Tahoma"]I miss the warm weather and my cat. ._.[/FONT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allamorph Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 [FONT=Calibri]I am testing Safari again. First difference I notice is that when I open a new tab instead of a huge blank empty space I am presented with twelve site options, which will apparently change depending on my browsing tendencies. Kinda nifty. Also, here at OB the post box is different; I now have five drop-down boxes, the additional two being for smilies and attachments?although the box itself seems to be broken and is sliding outside the defined ... whatever you call the boundary box. Then again I don't have AdBlock. Tough decision.[/FONT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chibi-master Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I was at the doctor's Tuesday. I filled out a form. On the question where it asked "Have you ever felt like you were lesbian or gay?" I circled yes and put on the side 'Don't tell my parents! They wouldn't support my being lesbian.' I failed to notice I was writing on top of carbon paper or something. It imprinted on a sheet that would be given to my mother. Yesterday morning, after demanding I stay home from school, she came into my room and showed it to me. She screamed at me for it and demanded to know why I told my guidance counselor and doctor before her. She wanted to know first so that she could shut me up before I told anyone else. I told her it was because she doesn't support it and would in turn not support me. She said, "That's right! Because it's perverted!" She said that she wouldn't tell my ultra-religious dad, but [I][U][B]I[/B][/U][/I] had to when he got home. I argued over and over. Then, she took away my phone, T.V. and laptop to search (I managed to delete OB and my browsing history altogether before she got it as well as shut off the interent connection) and because she thought it was all in my head and that I learned it from any of these sources. I was held hostage in my own home and had to do something extremely stressful and spy-like in order to obtain the house phone to call my guidance counselor and ask for advice. I am now grounded for "lying to her". But I didn't lie. I just didn't tell her, and this reaction is why! As a result, I will have to struggle to keep up with posting here. Sorry. Advice would be good right about now. Geez...I've never been so scared before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 [SIZE=1]Is there anyone outside your family, a neutral 3rd party that you all might be able to sit down and discuss this with chibi ? Seeing as you mentioned your guidance councillor would you be able to get in contact with him or her and ask for mediation ? If you're scared of some kind of violence from either of your parents regarding this I wouldn't hesitate in trying to get in contact with someone outside your parents. I'm honestly very surprised that your doctor would have such a question down on a sheet and then pass a copy of said sheet to your parents, I'm not sure if doctor-patient confidentiality is as strict over in the States but unless there is a severe risk to the child passing personal information to a parent (especially in written form) is very unusual, especially when there's something as blatant as "do not tell my parents, they would not understand" written in accompaniment. [/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerdsy Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 [quote name='chibi-master']I was at the doctor's Tuesday. I filled out a form. On the question where it asked "Have you ever felt like you were lesbian or gay?" I circled yes and put on the side 'Don't tell my parents! They wouldn't support my being lesbian.' I failed to notice I was writing on top of carbon paper or something. It imprinted on a sheet that would be given to my mother. Yesterday morning, after demanding I stay home from school, she came into my room and showed it to me. She screamed at me for it and demanded to know why I told my guidance counselor and doctor before her. She wanted to know first so that she could shut me up before I told anyone else. I told her it was because she doesn't support it and would in turn not support me. She said, "That's right! Because it's perverted!" She said that she wouldn't tell my ultra-religious dad, but [I][U][B]I[/B][/U][/I] had to when he got home. I argued over and over. Then, she took away my phone, T.V. and laptop to search (I managed to delete OB and my browsing history altogether before she got it as well as shut off the interent connection) and because she thought it was all in my head and that I learned it from any of these sources. I was held hostage in my own home and had to do something extremely stressful and spy-like in order to obtain the house phone to call my guidance counselor and ask for advice. I am now grounded for "lying to her". But I didn't lie. I just didn't tell her, and this reaction is why! As a result, I will have to struggle to keep up with posting here. Sorry. Advice would be good right about now. Geez...I've never been so scared before...[/QUOTE] [color=deeppink]I don't know your parents at all, but I will say I don't think anything will really help your situation except for time. Either your parents will eventually calm down or not, but I really don't think it's possible to either expedite the situation in either case. My only real suggestion would to be to [i]keep your temper in check.[/i] Keep calm and rational. Defend yourself, but keep from getting angry or frustrated. Treat your parents with respect even if they're screaming at you. Diplomacy is of utmost importance here, because anger will only lead to more anger. So, basically, patience is the key word here.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 [quote name='Gavin'][SIZE=1]I'm honestly very surprised that your doctor would have such a question down on a sheet and then pass a copy of said sheet to your parents, I'm not sure if doctor-patient confidentiality is as strict over in the States but unless there is a severe risk to the child passing personal information to a parent (especially in written form) is very unusual, especially when there's something as blatant as "do not tell my parents, they would not understand" written in accompaniment. [/SIZE][/QUOTE][size=1]I'm with Gavin. What the ****? That's irresponsible, unprofessional, and completely inappropriate. What kind of doctor are we talking about, here?[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooperson Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 [SIZE="1"][COLOR="RoyalBlue"]I came to find in junior high & high school that confidentiality is a joke. I'm sorry that you're going through that. Hopefully it was just a shock factor kind of reaction. Is there maybe a pastor or something that your parents know that you & them could both talk to? Or maybe if they talked to your counselor. Regardless, that sucks ;-;[/COLOR][/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenso Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 [SIZE="1"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Unfortunately, at least in the U.S., doctor/patient confidentiality does not apply when regarding your legal guardians if you're a minor. I believe there are a few exceptions to this, but I'm fairly certain ALL of them apply to counseling-style things. That said, Nerdsy probably has the best advice, and considering my temper, especially when I was your age, I've got nothing I can really add. If I had EVER run into an even vaguely similar situation at that age, I probably would've ended up in an actual fight with one or both of my parents, so.....[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachmaninoff Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 [FONT="Trebuchet MS"]Unfortunately chibi-master, like Kenso said, when it comes to someone who is considered a minor, parents have a right to gain access to all of your medical records. So as annoying as it is, even if you ask the doctor to not tell, they will. Based on what you've said, it sounds like Nerdsy has the best advice for you. Keep as calm as you can and try to avoid fighting with them over it. It sounds like a tremendous shock to them and that's going to require a lot of patience on your part, especially since they may never accept it. [/FONT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horendithas Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 [FONT="Arial"][COLOR="Indigo"]It's no surprise that the info was passed on. Strict patient doctor confidentiality for the most part does not apply to a minor. When you turn 18 chibi, the rights are transferred from your parents to you. As a licensed social worker I can also tell you the clause that most places are required to follow, our place included: Minor/Guardianship: Parents or legal guardians of non-emancipated minor clients have the right to access client records. There are very few exceptions and those tend to include involving the safety of the patient and it's not often that we'll exercise that right either. So best advice would be to have patience and hope they calm down. Whatever you do, don't get angry and start fights if you can avoid it. Treating your parents with respect by not fighting and using diplomacy like Nerdsy was talking about is the best way to handle it. If they are inclined to settle back down and at least tolerate it (this is if they won't accept it btw) then that approach will get that kind of result the quickest. Also, if you can, work with your school counselor. Even though your parents will know what's going on, having someone to talk to can help.[/COLOR][/FONT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sangome Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 [FONT="Microsoft Sans Serif"][SIZE="1"]What everyone Gavin through Indi has said, Chibi. They've all pretty much summed up what I'd say or could possibly think of. Nevertheless, I hope this all works out. I'll keep you --and your family -- in my thoughts and prayers. =([/SIZE][/FONT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaNz Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I never have good ideas, and i dont think you should do what i say, but there are more options. depending on how much you have told your parents, it wouldnt be hard to start lying... Now being who you are is great, but being excepted for that is not always an option. I have one of those overly religious families, I went to a Catholic school, mass twice a week... the works. funny thing is, I am an athiest. Now if I told any of my family this, i would never get a free moment without them trying to "save my soul" and at first i was just scared that they wouldnt love me, but that changed over the years. I still keep the secret because they would love me, and what they choose to believe would make them fear for me their entire lives. I dont want them to feel like if they dont convert me i will burn in hell, I dont want to make them suffer over my lifestyle, my beliefs. and I do wish that they could just except me, but I would rather feel that twing of sadness then put my parents and family trough misery. my situation is not nearly as bad as yours is, and I dont really know if you could just hide it away and swallow your pride, and I dont even recomend it... It be much easier if they could just learn to accept you for you... I am just throwing another option out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooperson Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 [SIZE="1"][COLOR="RoyalBlue"]So I'mma change the subject for two seconds so that I can proclaim my excitement for tonight. MAN, I'M EXCITED![/COLOR][/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chibi-master Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 [quote name='Gavin'][SIZE=1]Is there anyone outside your family, a neutral 3rd party that you all might be able to sit down and discuss this with chibi ? Seeing as you mentioned your guidance councillor would you be able to get in contact with him or her and ask for mediation ? If you're scared of some kind of violence from either of your parents regarding this I wouldn't hesitate in trying to get in contact with someone outside your parents.[/SIZE][/QUOTE] I am talking to my guidance counselor about this, and he's EXTREMELY helpful. As for violence, yes, I do think that is a threat here. With the help of my counselor as well as my best friend, I have established a "safe-house", so to speak, that I will run for should the situation turn dangerous. [QUOTE=Gavin/][SIZE=1]I'm honestly very surprised that your doctor would have such a question down on a sheet and then pass a copy of said sheet to your parents, I'm not sure if doctor-patient confidentiality is as strict over in the States but unless there is a severe risk to the child passing personal information to a parent (especially in written form) is very unusual, especially when there's something as blatant as "do not tell my parents, they would not understand" written in accompaniment. [/SIZE][/QUOTE] No, no, no! Th doctor kept it secret, but when I wrote the "Don't tell me parents" part, it left an impression on the sheet under it. Have you ever written on a sheet of paper over the page of a text book? The writing imprints on the page you were writing on top of. It's exactly like that. I have somehow kept from telling my dad, but my mom hates my guts now. She's treating my sister like an empress in front of me as if to say, "This is how the glorious STRAIGHT children are treated!" I've been able to convince my mom that I need to type up an assignment for school in order to get on here. I still don't understand why I'm being punished for this... On a happier note, at school Friday, I saw a guy in a gorillla suit being chased by a guy in a banana suit being chased by a guy in a leather jacket. So random, I almost had a heart attack when they ran past me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 [quote name='chibi-master']I am talking to my guidance counselor about this, and he's EXTREMELY helpful. As for violence, yes, I do think that is a threat here. With the help of my counselor as well as my best friend, I have established a "safe-house", so to speak, that I will run for should the situation turn dangerous.[/quote] [SIZE=1]Well it's good to hear you've got somewhere you can go if you feel things are going to get out of hand chibi, and that your guidance counselor is there to support you as well.[/SIZE] [quote name='chibi-master']No, no, no! Th doctor kept it secret, but when I wrote the "Don't tell me parents" part, it left an impression on the sheet under it. Have you ever written on a sheet of paper over the page of a text book? The writing imprints on the page you were writing on top of. It's exactly like that. I have somehow kept from telling my dad, but my mom hates my guts now. She's treating my sister like an empress in front of me as if to say, "This is how the glorious STRAIGHT children are treated!" I've been able to convince my mom that I need to type up an assignment for school in order to get on here. I still don't understand why I'm being punished for this...[/quote] [SIZE=1]Ah I see. Well I hope your mother can eventually come to terms with it, I'm sure the way she's treating you and your sister is disheartening but this may be just a poor reaction which won't last too long. Parents usually just want the best for their children and hopefully when she realises that your coming to terms with your own sexuality is a necessary part of pursuing your own happiness then she'll be able to accept it.[/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachmaninoff Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 [FONT="Trebuchet MS"]Hopefully in time you're mom will get over the shock, chibi-master. Anyway, it's been cold out so I went to make hot chocolate and discovered that I don't have any. [/FONT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 [quote name='chibi-master'] Yesterday morning, after demanding I stay home from school, she came into my room and showed it to me. She screamed at me for it and demanded to know why I told my guidance counselor and doctor before her. She wanted to know first so that she could shut me up before I told anyone else. I told her it was because she doesn't support it and would in turn not support me. She said, "That's right! Because it's perverted!" She said that she wouldn't tell my ultra-religious dad, but [I][U][B]I[/B][/U][/I] had to when he got home. I argued over and over. [/QUOTE] [font=trebuchet ms] Have your parents ever made any homophobic or derisive remarks about gay/lesbian people? Or I mean, in general are they very religious? Have your parents ever treated you violently? I'm hoping for you that this is just a premature, temporary reaction from your mom that stems from... idk, shock, fear, anger. Tell us how everything goes. [/font] [quote name='taperson'][SIZE="1"][COLOR="RoyalBlue"]So I'mma change the subject for two seconds so that I can proclaim my excitement for tonight. MAN, I'M EXCITED![/COLOR][/SIZE][/QUOTE] [font=trebuchet ms]One of my friends actually made this and posted it on Facebook. (my group was Alice in Wonderland, I was the Cheshire cat) Ginny's mental regression, as shown by pictures, Halloween night: Normal: [img]http://i34.tinypic.com/1z2j5o8.jpg[/img] Sort of drunk: [img]http://i38.tinypic.com/2wqemnm.jpg[/img] Pretty drunk: [img]http://i37.tinypic.com/2hp1w1w.jpg[/img] Really drunk: [img] http://i34.tinypic.com/nn8irr.jpg[/img] What is even going on: [img]http://i37.tinypic.com/311utn9.jpg[/img] [/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooperson Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 [SIZE="1"][COLOR="RoyalBlue"]I ended up going to a party with boyfriend. No pictures. I was Lady Gaga though... I managed to make an itty bitty bow with my hair! Anyway, I got home today & had to perform a recital, & I did 239487 times better than I thought I would... although still not as well as the other girls. Whatever. Whoooooo.[/COLOR][/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chibi-master Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 LE GASP! I have formulated a plan that allows me to get on my laptop in the mornings! YET ANOTHER GASP! I should probably be working on my english essay that is due today!:animedepr And Lunox, yes, they hate homosexuality, and my dad is a bible-thumper. It sucks. As for the violence thing, there was quite a bit of hurt involving a metal-lined belt, but that was purely discipline, sooo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 [quote name='chibi-master'] And Lunox, yes, they hate homosexuality, and my dad is a bible-thumper. It sucks. As for the violence thing, there was quite a bit of hurt involving a metal-lined belt, but that was purely discipline, sooo...[/QUOTE] [font=trebuchet ms] I grew up in a family/culture where hitting your kid for discipline is normal, so I understand why your parents do that. Just know that if you feel your parents are violent towards you in a way that is inappropriate and born out of personal bigotry, don't take it. I'm really glad that your counselor has taken the effort to help you out. [/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenso Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 [quote name='Lunox'][font=trebuchet ms] I grew up in a family/culture where hitting your kid for discipline is normal, so I understand why your parents do that. Just know that if you feel your parents are violent towards you in a way that is inappropriate and [b]born out of personal bigotry[/b], don't take it. I'm really glad that your counselor has taken the effort to help you out. [/font][/QUOTE] That bolded part is something to keep in mind. If it's because they think that somehow that disciplining is going to make you straight, then it's not discipline, plain and simple. Granted, a metal-lined belt is a bit past the lines of discipline if you ask me, but I won't get into that here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spectacular Professor Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 [FONT="Comic Sans MS"]People who say [B]Lilo & Stitch[/B] was the last good Disney movie are making the tragic mistake of overlooking [B]Treasure Planet[/B]. Hot damn that's an excellent film.[/FONT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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