Youth

[Pressure]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JCBaggee [/i]
[B]Anybody else humming Staind's "For You" after reading this...?

God...that should be this topics theme song... [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=purple]*sings*

All your insults,
and your curses,
make me feel like I'm not a person,
and i feel like,
I am nothing,
but you made me,
so do something...

I wuv dat song...

but you guys gotta think...

When parents say this, it isn't all unbased. They see your mistakes and they see their mistakes and often times, you don't now it, but you make the same mistakes they did, and they are afraid that they will lead to bigger mistakes. Early pregnancy, drug addiction, gangs, guns, getting arrested. Parnts say these things to protect us. It's not really a matter of who's smarter than who, its a matter of who is more responsible. If you make a mistake, accept the responsibility, and shut the hell up when your parents correct you. More likely than not, your parents have been through the sme thing. Much as I lvoe to induilge myself in "For You" by Staind, it's actually a very selfish song. They are not taking responsibility for their actions.

*Now for the other side*

I know how it feels, i really do. If my mother puts limits on me, the first thing I want to do is break them. Why? Because no one likes the feeling of being controlled. If my mother says "Clean your room or you can't get online, I only want to clean my room less, because I don't want her to get the idea that I'll do what she wants every tie she says something. Because I'm not a monkey, I'm not a pet, I do have feelings, and god damned if she is going to stop me from being me.

Then she always throws at me "I've bene there and done that. I'm 45, your 13." yes, and? so what? she doesnt listen to me. The problem is she won't listen. Now I'd say the normal chores of a 13 year old would be doing dishes, cleaning room, taking out garbage, sweeping floor, and maybe a load or two of laundry. NOT cleaning the tub with harsh chemicals, doing all the laundry, cooking and claning, and cleaning all the rooms in the house on top of doing homework, maintaining good grades, and staying healthy.

But here I go again not taking responsibility. It all depends on how you look at it. Communication is usually the fatal flaw in relationships between adults and children.[/COLOR]

[Andrew]

Now I'm confused! However you think about it, everyone is wrong. In this world it's all about power........and who has the power? Adults! Although I'm only 14, I'm very intelligent for my age and my parents recognise this so I'm not as bad off as most people and I don't do many chores.

[JCBaggee]

[size=4][color=red]Hi kids! Guess what I have to say!

"Age is a matter of the mind. It doesn't matter if you don't mind."
--The message board outside of my church
Who cares about age! Like the Creed song says....

"Time spent on the Earth doesn't mean you grow in mind."

So get over it! Yeah, we're younger, but once you hit 14, most people are mature enough to care for themselves!

The others grow up to be rappers...[/size][/color]

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo]
First---Before I get involved in this topic I hve to say one thing about Foriegn Aid, which Duo God of Death brought up as an example. The US gives Foriegn Aid out to as many countries as they can...we have never been repaid one cent. We do this for two simple reasons, one, to keep good foriegn relations, and two, to help ease the suffering af a few individuals. While the system is not the best or the most efficient, it is the best that the government can do att the time. Other countries including Great Britian, China, and Austrailia also have similar relief programs.

Now on to the real debate. I am 21 years old and stuck in the limbo of becoming an adult. I have all of the responsibilities that an adult has but I still am struggling to find an adult perspective on the world. There is a huge difference between the knowledge that I have know as to that I had 4 years ago. I have come to relate with why some adults find children incapable of rational thought. They feel that their opinions are insignificant because tey lack the maturity and wisdom that adults have gained through time and hardship. I can respect that, however, I also respect that ideas are ideas, whether or not they come rom a fifty year old or a fifteen year old. And a good idea is a good idea. A lot of the time it is the younger generation that has the best ideas, unfotunatley itis the older adults that are able to implement their ideas.[/color]

[BabyGirl]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JCBaggee [/i]
[B][size=4][color=red]Yeah, we're younger, but once you hit 14, most people are mature enough to care for themselves![/size][/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=deeppink]So utterly untrue that I want to throw something across the room.

I have loads of points I could make, but that would just clog up space and make people confused and angry at me. I'm 17 as well...but I'm a hell of a lot smarter to say that 14 year olds are NOT ready to deal with stuff by themselves, not if they've grown up in a sheltered society all of their lives.

Especially 14 year old [i]boys[/i] (I am NOT gender bashing)...I can't stand 14 year old boys (once again, I am NOT saying this to offend anyone at the boards who is a 14 year old boy or younger). If I had to be a freshman in high school again, I think I'd just flat out die.[/color]


[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JCBaggee [/i]
[B][size=4][color=red]The others grow up to be rappers...[/size][/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=deeppink]...and the others grow up to be rockers and punks who talk only about killing themselves.

'Gimme a frickin' break :rolleyes:[/color]

[James]

[size=1]I agree with BabyGirl.

I remember what it's like to be a young child, and young children definitely have this idea of invicibility and being able to handle everything on their own.

But they don't realise how much they rely on their parents until they leave high school and get a job...and move into the real world, so to speak.

There will always be a generation gap, but children are unqualified to deal with a lot of adult problems. Their lack of experience/maturity is a big part of it -- some things you just can't do, no matter how old you "feel" inside. You have to have had life experience in order to deal with some things.

That's why I think it's important to be respectful of the elderly (even if they don't like your music lol), because they have been through a lot in their life...and they know how to deal with things that younger people just couldn't handle.

Although having said that...some adults are certainly far from mature. :rolleyes: But that happens sometimes. It's all relative, really.[/size] :)

[Dan L]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by outlawstar_14 [/i]
[B]Isn't there any adults on the Board? What do You guys think? [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm 19 (WOOHOO). Technically I'm an adult, but I have only just passed childhood.

I still have some of my childish qualities too, though what I also have is a mature(ish) sense of reasoning. Looking back on the past years of my life I'd say that unfortunately you young'ns aren't necessarily stupid or bad, but are not as mature. You do not see that behind most apparently bad things is good reasoning. I remember quite clearly, not understanding silly stuff that I take for granted these days. The thing is....... you'll understand in a few years time. Be patient.

[JCBaggee]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BabyGirl [/i]
[B]So utterly untrue that I want to throw something across the room.

I have loads of points I could make, but that would just clog up space and make people confused and angry at me. I'm 17 as well...but I'm a hell of a lot smarter to say that 14 year olds are NOT ready to deal with stuff by themselves, not if they've grown up in a sheltered society all of their lives.

Especially 14 year old boys (I am NOT gender bashing)...I can't stand 14 year old boys (once again, I am NOT saying this to offend anyone at the boards who is a 14 year old boy or younger). If I had to be a freshman in high school again, I think I'd just flat out die.

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[color=red][size=4]Okay, after spending the day at school and studying the freshmen, I would like to retract and correct my statement...

"After the age of 17, a very small percentile are capable of caring for themselves."

Thank you for your time, and my great apologies for my ignorance.

----JCBaggee[/color][/size]

[Vegitto4]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DuoGod of Death [/i]
[B]It has come to my attention along time ago that we as youths are thought upon as ignorant people. I don't even think that we are really considered humans. I mean its amazing...go into a middle school room...get a debate sparking and I mean...You will be amazed at what you here....Everyone says "No the worlds more complicated than that" Well just a thought but the world is only as complicated as you make it! We could make life simple but the adults choose to make it hard. I am so sick of people not letting us make our own decisions cause we are kids. Its our right! Look even my teachers think that the politicions should listen to the kids. One great thing about a kids thoughts is...most are not upon boundries of ones greed. For example..On the issue of America helping out other nations....America is too worried that if they help out one county then they will have to help every county and the cant afford that...Thats true in some sense....BUT...Why don't you do this....DONATE money to a 3rd world country instead of having them pay you back, make them match that amount you gave them to another 3rd world country...and have that continue...Our world would be even we wouldn't have these stupid wars...or atleast as many....

Tell me a valid reason why kids are thought of as stupid!


Oh and yes...this is ment as a debate....I want to here everyone defend themselves!!

OMG...I sound like my teachers....:nervous: :whoops: [/B][/QUOTE]

You make a very good argument. I totally agree with you, but the Adults are looking at the [b] majority[/b] of youth's Immaturity. Most youth are not mature, although a great deal are, they are not as big as the immature ones. damn hormones:naughty: and i would agree with BG, I am 16, and when i was 14, I could not take care of myself, or a family. I wasn't ready to be thrown into the world yet, but I am almost there. Its hard, but hey, thats life.:box:

[Lady Macaiodh]

lol, touchy subject, it sems.

two opinions (from an "adult"):

1) to make a blanket statement such as "kids are seen as ignorant" (or whatever) is a fallacy. one problem w/ society is judging a group of people for a certain characteristic (such as youth, race, etc.). we must learn to "judge" (for lack of a better word) the individual, not the masses. some kids are ignorant, some are not. it depends on the person.

2) people say that kids are growing up faster these days, b/c of increases in violence & having sex at a younger age & the like, but i beg to differ. rather, kids are growing more bold & independant at a younger age. they are throwing off authority sooner & trying to establish themselves as adults, or young adults, who have the right to make their own choices. this can be an admirable quality, but not when they're too immature to make wise decisions.

so, my advice to the youth of today is: don't allow yourselves to be lumped in w/ your peers, be assertive, & try to make responsible decisions. if everyone at least did this, maybe youth wouldn't get such a bad rap.

[MarkM]

cuz aldults think they are all that and a bag of chips they think they have right over all when they dont see small pacages contain the bigges suprises so thats muh theory and btw kids rule all insted of the parents u probally dont under stand what i meen but think about it and mabye u will:toothy:

[JCBaggee]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hot head [/i]
[B]cuz aldults think they are all that and a bag of chips they think they have right over all when they dont see small pacages contain the bigges suprises so thats muh theory and btw kids rule all insted of the parents u probally dont under stand what i meen but think about it and mabye u will:toothy: [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=red][size=4]I feel ya! Whatever happened to "Youth are the future"?![/color][/size]