Gaming Sonic And Tails In Ssbm

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by kuja [/i]
[B][SIZE=3][FONT=century gothic][COLOR=crimson]my understanding is... Nintendo owns GameFreak therefore owns PKmon as well... kinda like HAL labratories the people who made SSBM. where as sony and square have an agreement... im pretty sure nintendo actually owns PKmon cause if you look at the card game it says nintendo not gamefreak...[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=royalblue]Nintendo created Pokemon. It also owns the rights to Pokemon.

Game Freak isn't owned by Nintendo, but rather, the company is contracted to develop Pokemon software for Nintendo.

Nintendo's relationships with Game Freak is similar to its relationship with Camelot Software Planning. Both of these companies are essentially "third party" developers who work very closely with Nintendo itself.[/color]

[Desbreko]

[color=indigo]Nintendo didn't create Pokémon, but they do have the rights to Pokémon. Game Freak licensed Pokémon to Nintendo.[/color]

[slasher]

saw it yesterday. it is a [SIZE=1]tiny[/SIZE] bit convincing

[Guest Solid Snake]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Liquidus_Snake [/i]
[B][COLOR=firebrick]Yep. It's a fake. I beat 47 of those fools and got nothing concerning s&T. Mondo Bogus if you ask me, they shouldnt play tricks on loyal people like this. It hurt's their respect for them ya know. This is why i stopped buying their magazine...too many lies.[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]
[COLOR=teal]I sincerely doubt that ANYONE could beat that many people in Cruel Melee, but if you say so. My friend owns the game, and he got a record of six before reliezing that it is, in fact, fake. I would be most interested to know your technique, and with which character you used.[/COLOR]

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[GotenksSSJ343]

I was at a web page last night and from what i heard you get sonic by beating vs. mode1000 times but I think it's a romor but a person said they'd E-mail m a piture of the choose the charctr section with his name and piture there so im waiting for the most decidng mail of my life even though it was probably cut and past

[Guest Solid Snake]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GotenksSSJ343 [/i]
[B]I was at a web page last night and from what i heard you get sonic by beating vs. mode1000 times but I think it's a romor but a person said they'd E-mail m a piture of the choose the charctr section with his name and piture there so im waiting for the most decidng mail of my life even though it was probably cut and past [/B][/QUOTE][COLOR=teal]

Again, it is fake, no matter what someone may say, or what challenge they say will bring about Sonic and Tails. The picture is probably the same as Eletronic Gaming Monthly, which was most likely put on the internet as an urban legend. Plus, if this is the most deciding email of your life, then I pity you. And yes, it would be a cut and paste.[/COLOR]

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[SIZE=1][FONT=century gothic][COLOR=crimson]ur not a mod or staff! dont do that (what was deleted), because i do exactly what you said not to.[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jcgoudy [/i]
[B][color=indigo]Nintendo didn't create Pokémon, but they do have the rights to Pokémon. Game Freak licensed Pokémon to Nintendo.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=royalblue]Nup. Nintendo created Pokemon. :)

The project was originally thought up by Hiroshi Yamauchi, and was then supervised by Shigeru Miyamoto.

Nintendo created the franchise and then lisenced it to Game Freak, who was responsible for software development.[/color]

[Desbreko]

[color=indigo]No, Satoshi Tajiri did, the founder and president of Game Freak. In number 124 of Electronic Gaming Monthly (November 1999), there's a big article about Pokémon. At the very beginning it says, and I quote:

"The story goes something like this: When he was a kid in Japan, Satoshi Tajiri would stalk bugs. He'd capture them. He'd collect them in jars. He wanted to make them fight like the rubber-suit monsters of his favorite flicks. He wanted to catch them all. Sound familiar?
Now in his 30s, Tajiri, the founder and president of Game Freak, has taken this hobby and turned it into something bigger than a game, bigger than a movie, bigger than a toy line. The inventor of Pokémon, Tajiri has unleased a global pop-culture phenomenon that has made more money than Poké-icon Pikachu can shoot sparks--$5 billion in worldwide merchandising sales. American gamers have bought 4 million copies of Pokémon Red and Blue. The animated series, now in its second season, is the top rated kids' show in the country. Nintendo's Pokémon training tour crams malls with 10,000 kids at every stop."

Those are the first two paragraghs of the article. It clearly states that Satoshi Tajiri, the founder and president of Game Freak, created Pokémon.
EGM has always been pretty reliable, so I don't think this is wrong.[/color]

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jcgoudy [/i]
[B][color=indigo]No, Satoshi Tajiri did, the founder and president of Game Freak. In number 124 of Electronic Gaming Monthly (November 1999), there's a big article about Pokémon. At the very beginning it says, and I quote:

"The story goes something like this: When he was a kid in Japan, Satoshi Tajiri would stalk bugs. He'd capture them. He'd collect them in jars. He wanted to make them fight like the rubber-suit monsters of his favorite flicks. He wanted to catch them all. Sound familiar?
Now in his 30s, Tajiri, the founder and president of Game Freak, has taken this hobby and turned it into something bigger than a game, bigger than a movie, bigger than a toy line. The inventor of Pokémon, Tajiri has unleased a global pop-culture phenomenon that has made more money than Poké-icon Pikachu can shoot sparks--$5 billion in worldwide merchandising sales. American gamers have bought 4 million copies of Pokémon Red and Blue. The animated series, now in its second season, is the top rated kids' show in the country. Nintendo's Pokémon training tour crams malls with 10,000 kids at every stop."

Those are the first two paragraghs of the article. It clearly states that Satoshi Tajiri, the founder and president of Game Freak, created Pokémon.
EGM has always been pretty reliable, so I don't think this is wrong.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=royalblue]Yep, I understand all of that. That's not what I'm saying though.

The actual creative ideas of Pokemon weren't Yamuchi's, as the article above clearly states.

However, the original concept of Pokemon -- the concepts of creating something unique and different for children were really Yamauchi's core ideas.

Yamauchi doesn't really get a whole lot of credit for his involvement with Pokemon, but he was really the driving force behind the games.

Of course, Game Freak designed the actual games themselves, but it was Hiroshi Yamauchi's original concepts and vision which brought about the whole thing in the first place.

Clearly, Nintendo and Game Freak are both jointly involved in the series. But while that article talks about Tajiri's original ideas for the actual game, the broader concept of Pokemon was brought about by Hiroshi Yamauchi. He is also the one who originally spearheaded the movement with Game Freak.

So I wasn't talking about game development so much, I was talking more about the creation of the "Pokemon franchise".

Yamauchi realized that games were becoming too repetitive and boring -- and he knew that Nintendo needed something new which would focus on communication between children. This is what drove the fundamentals behind Pokemon. Yamauchi obviously at some point saw Game Freak's ideas for Pokemon and decided that Game Freak was Nintendo's best opportunity to bring this new idea to the market.

Obviously, Game Freak couldn't have done it on their own. And Yamauchi was really interested in the idea of using the Game Boy to transfer Pokemon between players. He also knew that Pokemon was the right gaming concept to bring this idea to fruition in a meaningful way.

So yeah, I was talking more about the entire franchise and the concept of communication/trading etc. Tajiri was of course a creative force behind the specific games, but as with Shigeru Miyamoto, it was Yamauchi who knew when to give Game Freak its big break...just as Yamauchi did with Miyamoto in the early 1970's. And look where that got Nintendo. :)

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[Desbreko]

[color=indigo]I was talking about the development of the games, not the franchise as a whole. I agree that without Yamauchi, Pokémon probably wouldn't be what it is today, but I was talking about who first started development on Pokémon; and that was Game Freak. Nintendo probably worked with Game Freak on the development, but Game Freak had started before that. Nintendo is what made it what it is today, a worldwide franchise, but Game Freak started it.

I think we were in agreement without knowing it, Lol. :)[/color]

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jcgoudy [/i]
[B][color=indigo]I was talking about the development of the games, not the franchise as a whole. I agree that without Yamauchi, Pokémon probably wouldn't be what it is today, but I was talking about who first started development on Pokémon; and that was Game Freak. Nintendo probably worked with Game Freak on the development, but Game Freak had started before that. Nintendo is what made it what it is today, a worldwide franchise, but Game Freak started it.

I think we were in agreement without knowing it, Lol. :)[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=royalblue]Yep, I think we're basically in agreement.

I guess I'm trying to say that Yamauchi has a good nose for popular things...despite his age, he has been able to pick and choose what he wants for Nintendo.

And really, without his involvement...Pokemon wouldn't exist in any form at all.

So when people consider how popular Pokemon has been in pop culture, it's amazing to think that a man in his 70's really selected and initiated the whole phenomenon. Yamauchi really knows talent where he sees it...afterall, he personally hired both Shigeru Miyamoto and Gunpei Yokoi.

Yamauchi himself is often not given a lot of credit...or at least, not as much as he should be. [/color]

[Desbreko]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]
[B]

[color=royalblue]Yamauchi himself is often not given a lot of credit...or at least, not as much as he should be.[/color][/B][/QUOTE]
[color=indigo]Yeah, I know. I think he deserves a lot more credit than he gets. Without him, Nintendo wouldn't be what it is. Who knows, it could still be Marufuku Co. Ltd. and still be making playing cards in Japan... Which would mean the NES wouldn't have been around to pull the video game industry out of its slump... And video games probably wouldn't be nearly as popular or succesful as they are. Maybe Atari would still be around making consoles?

So many possibilties...[/color]

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jcgoudy [/i]
[B]
[color=indigo]Yeah, I know. I think he deserves a lot more credit than he gets. Without him, Nintendo wouldn't be what it is. Who knows, it could still be Marufuku Co. Ltd. and still be making playing cards in Japan... Which would mean the NES wouldn't have been around to pull the video game industry out of its slump... And video games probably wouldn't be nearly as popular or succesful as they are. Maybe Atari would still be around making consoles?

So many possibilties...[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=royalblue]I agree.

The video game industry wouldn't be where it is today without Nintendo. You'd have no PlayStation/PS2, no Xbox and certainly no Dreamcast/Genesis/Saturn.

The entire game industry pretty much collapsed during the early 1980s, and it was Nintendo who single-handedly revived it and made it larger than it had ever been before.

Of course, this led to Nintendo having total domination over the market during the late 1980s...that is, until SEGA came along. Though the Master System wasn't a huge threat to Nintendo...but the Genesis was really the console which proved that SEGA was a viable gaming giant. Of course, even the Genesis failed to topple Nintendo...

Still, it's certainly an interesting thing to consider. Hiroshi Yamauchi is often booed because of what happened with Square (even though Square recently admitted that it was to blame)...so I often feel that he is bashed unfairly. He's one of the world's truly remarkable businessmen...and he's a total genius when it comes to the game industry.[/color]

[Desbreko]

[color=indigo]Please try to stay on topic, people. This is a thread about a SSBM rumor... Not about Kuja's punctuation (or lack thereof)...

I've deleted those posts.[/color]

[Guest Matt]

well, GC does have Sonic Adventure 2: Battle. Thats a Sega character on a Nintendo system.....

[Kuja]

[SIZE=1][FONT=century gothic][COLOR=crimson]made by sega for the GCN, while SSBM wasnt made by sega it was made by HAL labratories and produced by Nintendo. Sega can make their character for any system they want. Where as no one else can.[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]