Everyone's Clouded Vision of Life....

[Guest Zeh]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Milliardo [/i]
[B]

I have to agree on this one, though it depends on what alcoholic beverage you're taking up. Beer is actually a health drink--if not taken into excess. A bottle a day is quite healthy. Ditto for red wine--a glass is good for your heart, studies now show. What is bad is excess. Abusing something that is beneficial will most likely lead to something harmful. [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=indigo]Thats what i was trying to say, i wasn't sure if people knew that or not... i guess not...

But i also agree with cam. It isn't good for the growing body...

I remember in grade 9, in a health leason, our health teacher told us drinking wasn't bad, she didn't go into details or anything just moved on, later that week one of the students that was there, was hospitalized..... from too much alcohol in there blood... [/COLOR]

[Milliardo]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cloud [/i]
[B][COLOR=indigo]later that week one of the students that was there, was hospitalized..... from too much alcohol in there blood... [/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]

That is an example of excessiveness. Alcohol is easily purged from your system by sweating, or some other means. Of course, excessive alcohol intake will naturally land you in the hospital. What I point out is a healthy use of beer and wine, not an abuse of it.

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i]
[B]

[color=indigo] I have absolutley no ill will towards you, Queen, or any other member of the boards for that matter (except for the few of you that IM me just to talk crap about other people, you know who you are:flaming: ). I got drunk plenty of times when I wasn't of legal age. Did I do it to be cool, to fit in, or was it the opposite of that, did I do it because I was uncofortable around people? To be honest I have no idea why I got drunk for the first time...it was just something new to try. I was with a friend and we just got drunk...as simple as that. I continue to occasionally get drunk because I find it amusing. Why did you get drunk the first time you did it?? I can guess why you didn't like it, but why did you ever do itin the first place?[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson][size=1]I honestly will say that I gave in to peer pressure. I had these 2 really close friends who all of sudden got into it and they did it all the time. Well they were throwing a birthday party and I wasn't going to go, but then things didn't work out with the plans I had that day and me and dad got in a fight and I just wanted to get out. But I seriously cannot make an excuse for myself. The reason why I didnt' enjoy it is because too many rumors were started...don't EVER hang around with guys at a party when you are drunk...everyone assumes something happened...and also the cops showed up and we all took off and hid in the woods for an hour or so and we sobered up and froze our as$'s off...so yeah...the only thing AMUSING I think I could find about it was that I couldn't see straight and I seriously could not walk. But that actually scared me that I didn't have control of what I wanted my body to do...[/color][/size]

[coolkam007]

"Alcohol's effects begin even as small amounts are consumed" as stated [url=http://www.soberlinks.com/pdfs/facts_teens_and_alcohol.pdf]here[/url]

I'm proud to say that i dont drink beer or any alcohol.. I think its rather gross and repulsive. >.<
but i'm not going to go around and keep people from drinking.. because.. well it would take too much time and effort :p if people are going to be dumb then they can learn from their own mistakes

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by coolkam007 [/i]
[B]"Alcohol's effects begin even as small amounts are consumed" as stated [url=http://www.soberlinks.com/pdfs/facts_teens_and_alcohol.pdf]here[/url]

I'm proud to say that i dont drink beer or any alcohol.. I think its rather gross and repulsive. >.<
but i'm not going to go around and keep people from drinking.. because.. well it would take too much time and effort :p if people are going to be dumb then they can learn from their own mistakes [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson][size=1]Hey, even if you don't drink, just by not doing it, you are being a positive influence on someone's life. And I agree, it IS stupid...and some people can probably never be convinced until someone close to them gets hurt and has to do with alcohol or even them themselves are hurt.

Hey HC, I know you drink, I know you're 21, but I hope you don't drink and drive by the way...[/color][/size]

[Milliardo]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by coolkam007 [/i]
[B]"Alcohol's effects begin even as small amounts are consumed"[/B][/QUOTE]

The natural question is: how small is small? I am not too much of a fan for vague generalizations. The article is vague on low levels: at low levels, it said, but there is no indication as to how low that would go. Would one sip be considered low? Or one drop? Some people consider two bottles of beer as low. Again, that is a vague generalization.

[MarkM]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson][size=1]I honestly will say that I gave in to peer pressure. color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

1)thats to bad you seem like the person who wouldn't givein
2)Now schools are taking carge of Pure Pressure because of things like that
3) im very sorry you had to go though with that all of you, but for the select few who find it amusing fun or funny keep doing it cuz when you die at an early age you will learn yes it will teach you the altomate lesson. Not to be mean in saying that but its true i really dont care what you say to me for saying all that but i could care less is Reality just came up behind you gies and bit you in the ***.
4) just to add every Cigorett you smoke takes 7 hours out of your life jut to ock some sence into yall
5) And for all you who read this post and will never get drunk i admire you very much this alsogoes to the victums of pure pressure to drink
6) i am starting a club tell me if you are intersted A.A.D.S.B.T(Achol and drugs suck big time) .... Pm me and i will give you a cool fader to put in your sig to show you are a proud member of this campain

-hot head

[Queen Asuka]

[color=crimson][size=1]Milliardo, like I said....even if you start off with just whatever you consider a small amount, it will still become to where that's just not enough for you and you just do more and more until you're completely addicted and can't live without it. You can't justify drinking really, especially if you're underage. They made the law for a REASON....not just to torture teens...

And Hot Head, I'm sorry, I'm not the type of person to give in, but that day was different. But don't worry, you wont ever hear about me doing it again and I've never tried any sort of drug, not even cigarettes, so yeah.[/color][/size]

[Milliardo]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B][color=crimson][size=1]Milliardo, like I said....even if you start off with just whatever you consider a small amount, it will still become to where that's just not enough for you and you just do more and more until you're completely addicted and can't live without it.[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

That is a problem of self control, which is more due to peer pressure. Drinking for health reasons is another thing. Knowing what is healthy is the key to this. There are many who drink for their health without going into excess.

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Milliardo [/i]
[B]

That is a problem of self control, which is more due to peer pressure. Drinking for health reasons is another thing. Knowing what is healthy is the key to this. There are many who drink for their health without going into excess. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson][size=1]If doctors thought that we truly needed alchohol intake everyday, I think the law would be bent just a little. It's not HEALTHY to a teen. That's what WATER is for! And I'm just a little curious, how old are you....?[/color][/size]

[Guest Zeh]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson][size=1]I couldn't see straight and I seriously could not walk. But that actually scared me that I didn't have control of what I wanted my body to do...[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]


[COLOR=indigo]One time i was at a cop fair and there where these goggles that the officers had, i got to put them on. I put them on and theploice officer threw a loonie on the ground... i triped over my own feet and it took me 10 minutes to find the loonie...[/COLOR]



[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hot head [/i]
[B]

4) just to add every Cigorett you smoke takes 7 hours out of your life jut to ock some sence into yall

-hot head [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=indigo]That is false.

example: my mom used to smoke in her teens, she stoped after a 2 years, she is now in her fortys.... Her lungs are now the excat same as mine, i've never taken a puff of a cigarrette...... Will it still take those "days" from her life? I doubt it..... [/color]

[Turkey]

I'll have to admit that I almost got drunk once (I got to the "I'm sleepy" level). Apart from that little accident, I only drink in toasts (as in weddings and similar things).
I respect those who know how to control alcohol use without totally eliminating it of their lives.

[Justin]

Ok, first of all I'm sorry to anyone who finds the following post offensive. I'm in a bad mood and now I have to defend myself. So here goes:

Yes, I do drink. No, I don't drink to please others or to be "cool."
I do it for my own pure enjoyment. Granted, it is illegal for me to do so because I'm under-age. However, that's my issue. If people who drink or smoke or do drugs bother any of you, I suggest you not hang around them.

No offense, QA, but I don't think that you took the feelings of those who do drink/smoke/whatever into consideration when you posted this.

-Justin

[Guest Hikaru Ichijyo]

I don't drink or do Drugs, I find it a very sad that people use these as a way to escape from their problems and the every day real world. I personally don't think people who are under the drinking age should start and it has been proven that too much is no good for you and that a little amount is good. Personally I am not going to risk 500 blood cells just on a beer. And anyone who does drugs I just can't see why anyone would want to damage their body like that, I guess the reason for that is many don't value their life like that cause the "I don't know any better!" comment has been used way too much!

Sorry guys if I sound like a Goody two shoes but thats just my opinion on the matter!;)

[BabyGirl]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson][size=1]When you are in high school and you go to a party every single weekend just to get drunk and make out and then claim you don't rememeber it the next day, that's pretty pathetic. It IS a bad thing...once you start then you're just submitting yourself to it more...

[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=deeppink]Ouch, I feel the wrath of your disapproval.

Fact is, I know I'm one of the people you're speaking about, and I know that you look down on me because of it. Do I appear to be a weak person because I make my own decision to drink?

Frankly, I don't care what others may think about my choice to drink. I drink because I enjoy it. You may not, but I do. I don't drink every weekend, I drink maybe 4 or 5 times a year, and I don't drink to the point where I don't remember things...I don't even make out with people when I'm drunk. Am I still a horrible person for drinking?

I'm very aware of the repercussions of what I do, which is why I don't drink in excess or drive after I have been drinking. I'm completely aware that it is illegal, and I'm completely aware that I'm breaking the law. But did you also know that you're breaking the law when you drive around with things like an air freshener hanging from your rearview mirror? They may not be equal in offense, but both are breaking a law.

There ARE things that I restrain from doing, like smoking weed and even cigarettes, even when those things are readily available. I understand your view of it, Asuka, but I wish you wouldn't make others feel so damn bad about choosing what to do to their own bodies. You can disagree, like how I disagree with smoking, but you don't have to shun...it hurts.

P.S. If I drank to be "cool" or "popular" then I'd be one sad human being...[/color]

[Milliardo]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B][color=crimson][size=1]If doctors thought that we truly needed alchohol intake everyday, I think the law would be bent just a little. It's not HEALTHY to a teen. That's what WATER is for! And I'm just a little curious, how old are you....?[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

There is no law which states that one bottle of beer or one glass of wine is illegal, even for a minor. That is why doctors recommend it.

As for age, I am 32.

[Lia]

[size=1] the only thing that mind boggles me about people underage that drink are MOST of them are doing it to become rebels...but then later become addicted...
its one thing if your 14-20 sitting on a couch drinking beer and being rebelious and screaming "I'M A REBEL!!!:cool:" but its another thing if your 40 and addicted and sitting on your couch with your now mondo beerbelly the size of the state of texas with a bunch of crumbs on you and your veined up eyes screaming "I'M A REBEL!!:drunk: :alcohol:" while still wearing your highschool jockshorts which are now half way down your crotch........if you can make any sense of that try and imagine it....[/size]

[Anna]

Here's my OWN analogy to the health issue, and can also be applied to drinking in other aspects:

You have two big blocks titled "Your Life", and they're held together by some rubber bands wrapped around them. There are big obstacles in life like drinking, sex, drugs, etc. etc. the list goes on. How do these big chunky obstacles find their way in our lives eventually? They aren't a problem right away. You're not going to go on a binge rampage the first time you have a drink, or work a whole corner the first time you have sex. These things wedge their way in. In between "Your Life" and "Big Stumbling Blocks", there's a wooden wedge called "Little By Little", and if "Your Life" lets the very edge of The Wedge in between its two blocks, all those problems already have their foot in the door. You've opened Pandora's Box, and I don't care how smart you think you are, you have NO IDEA, NO CONTROL over what's going to happen to you after that wedge has stretched you farther and farther apart, and pretty soon you have this big fat problem right in the middle of Your Life.

Drinking alcohol for the sake of health is an excuse to drink. Yeah sure, a little alcohol won't hurt your heart, but it'll hurt your brain, liver, kidneys, etc. Um, I think I'll run a mile to help my heart before I take some wine, thanks.

[Chaos]

1) No one bash the drink. You can have one drink and stop. I do. Now, drungs is different. Just being in the same room as someone smoking a joint can get you hooked. And high. I know; it's happened to me (I didn't get hooked, but I swear I saw things). Hell, a someone smokin a joe nearby you can get you addicted.

2) Drugs...Everyone bash the drugs. I avoid the drugs, the joints, and yes, even the joes. But, on say, Mardi Gras, I'll down a Miller or Heiney. But only one. 1. Uno. Singluar. And THAT'S_IT.

So, in conclusion, if you only have a drink on special accasions such as a holiday, I think that's fine. But drugs/cigs? No. No way in Hell.

[Milliardo]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Anna [/i]
[B]Drinking alcohol for the sake of health is an excuse to drink. Yeah sure, a little alcohol won't hurt your heart, but it'll hurt your brain, liver, kidneys, etc. Um, I think I'll run a mile to help my heart before I take some wine, thanks. [/B][/QUOTE]

It is not an excuse to drink; there are already studies made on this, like I noted. I would suppose those who made the study found it also an excuse for them to drink, then, by your analogy?

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo] Okay just a couple of things I'd like to say. First is that i have done stupid things when I have been drunk, but I have done millions of stupid thngs dead sober so I don't think alcohol is to blame. Second, please stop quoting bad "facts" about the effects of alcohol, drugs and cigarettes. smoking cigarettes doesn't take an allocated time off of your life span, period. There was a myth that stated smoking a cigarette took seven minutes (not hours or days) off of your life, but it was never a fact. I think everyone knows the dangers of drugs, alcohol, and cigs...whether we care to acknowledge them or not is another matter.

And one more thing, quit saying that peer pressure is abad thing, peer pressure is a double edged sword. Everything you do one way or another is based on peer pressure. [/color]

[Queen Asuka]

[color=crimson][size=1]I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, I'm just SAYING the truth. You KNOW that it's wrong and it's your decision to do it and it's WRONG. You can't get all offensive and mad because you do it and someone states that it's wrong. Even if you do only do it on certain occasions and only like 4 or 5 times a year, that's doesn't justify it or make it right. It doesn't make you some evil BAD person, but I'm just stating how I'm tired of people doing it because they think it's cool or they'll be respected because of it.[/color][/size]

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo][size=4] Join the Dark Side!! Drinking is Fun, It Makes you popular...You aren't Cool unless you drink!!! Mwahhahha...[/size]

sorry but I hd to try to peer pressure you guys into joining us:) [/color]

[Anna]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Milliardo [/i]
[B]

It is not an excuse to drink; there are already studies made on this, like I noted. I would suppose those who made the study found it also an excuse for them to drink, then, by your analogy? [/B][/QUOTE]

........ as I already said in my post.... :cross: sure, it may be good for your heart, but there is no scientific research saying that alcohol is the overall health-drink. Give me a friggin break. There ARE facts saying that alcohol does ruin the liver! Okay, this is healthy, ........ HOW?? And no real scientist has EVER said that that alcohol is healthy, or I'd like you to show proof otherwise.

[BabyGirl]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B][color=crimson][size=1]I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, I'm just SAYING the truth. You KNOW that it's wrong and it's your decision to do it and it's WRONG. It doesn't make you some evil BAD person, but I'm just stating how I'm tired of people doing it because they think it's cool or they'll be respected because of it.[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=deeppink]Ok, so my decisions are now wrong :whoops:

Let me make it perfectly clear: [b]I do not drink to be cool or to fit in. I started drinking because I was curious about it, and I enjoyed myself.[/b] :)

I could go off about all the RIGHT decisions I make in life, but I won't waste any time on a 'holier than thou' attitude.

[i]I'm really not trying to be defensive, but it's really really hard at the moment...I apologize for anything rash I say, but if I DO post something rash, I probably mean it so there's really no point in excusing it I guess.[/i][/color]