Everyone's Clouded Vision of Life....

[Lia]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i]
[B][color=indigo][size=4] Join the Dark Side!! Drinking is Fun, It Makes you popular...You aren't Cool unless you drink!!! Mwahhahha...[/size]

sorry but I hd to try to peer pressure you guys into joining us:) [/color] [/B][/QUOTE]
[size=1]that was uncalled for...hehe SPOOF TIME!
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[B]~20 or so years later Heavens Cloud is sitting at his couch in front on the TV watching Sunday's football game, his shirt now 3 sizes too small for him exposing his large beer belly and he is still wearing his jock shorts from highchool, he shouts out...~ "I'M A REBEL!!!!"...
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:alcohol:[/B]

[Milliardo]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Anna [/i]
[B]There ARE facts saying that alcohol does ruin the liver! Okay, this is healthy[/B][/QUOTE]

What you say is [i]excessive[/i] use of alcohol, which we already have noted would really wreak havoc on your body. I am not even talking about excessive use, as I keep repeating.

And I do have the article about the benefits of red wine, as well as beer. Yes, they are real scientific research as well.

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BabyGirl [/i]
[B]

[color=deeppink]Ok, so my decisions are now wrong :whoops:

Let me make it perfectly clear: [b]I do not drink to be cool or to fit in. I started drinking because I was curious about it, and I enjoyed myself.[/b] :)

I could go off about all the RIGHT decisions I make in life, but I won't waste any time on a 'holier than thou' attitude.

[i]I'm really not trying to be defensive, but it's really really hard at the moment...I apologize for anything rash I say, but if I DO post something rash, I probably mean it so there's really no point in excusing it I guess.[/i][/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson][size=1]BabyGirl...it's still wrong...But I'm not saying that you're doing it to be cool and to fit in. I guess you already do that enough on your own without having to drink and show off. But this is just my opinion on the matter. Everyone gets curious, and I guess you DID enjoy yourself, but I myself didn't...and even though I have myself tried it, even if I hadn't, I'd still say it was wrong. It doesn't matter if you are defensive or not, I don't want you to think that I'm trying to drag you in the ground and put myself higher than you and make myself seem better, you know what I'm saying. I just got a little irritated when I read three different posts where someone comes back and says "Oh I posted that when I was drunk, so it doesn't matter now"....[/color][/size]

[Anna]

In defense of QA, and also b/c I pretty much share her opinion, this whole topic isn't like, meant to condemn anyone. There isn't anything 'holier than thou' about it, I've never personally claimed to be almighty and above flaw or anything, but I find drinking to be a not-smart thing to do. And no this does not denote that person drinking is stupid necessarily (I'm referring mostly to the exceptional drunkards, no one here personally), but that 'buzz' feeling is you losing your rational thought, and I dunno......... I like being in control of my body. And some may think 'well, I drink BECAUSE I'm in control of my body', but you're not in control when you give up a bit of your consciousness like that. So, when you can't think or act in your normal frame, your putting yourself up for more risks......kinda risky, neh? And noooooooo not EVERY time you drink is something BAD gonna happen, but really, is that little buzz worth it? Really really??! To each their own, but this really isn't meant to say 'oh we're better than you b/c we're anti-alcohol' or whatever. In a left-handed way it's kinda like 'why are you doing this, it's not good for you, we wish you wouldn't because you might get hurt some day.'

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Anna [/i]
[B]In a left-handed way it's kinda like 'why are you doing this, it's not good for you, we wish you wouldn't because you might get hurt some day.' [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson][size=1]EXACTLY...that's the whole point. For the people that have been around here for a while, I believe everyone is on a friendly level. It's just a thought of opinion and then trying to be helpful and not CONDEMN....so yeah I agree with you Anna. It's hard to put this into words dang it..[/color][/size]

[BabyGirl]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson][size=1]BabyGirl...it's still wrong... I just got a little irritated when I read three different posts where someone comes back and says "Oh I posted that when I was drunk, so it doesn't matter now"....[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=deeppink]Indeed I know it's wrong, and I still do it...I won't try to excuse this either, so I'll just say that and be quiet.

And I know my post was one of the ones you were referring to, that's why I got so upset. It felt, whether you realized this or not, like a personal attack on me. I know you didn't mean it this way, but believe me, that's what it sounded like.

I've calmed down a bit about it because I realize everyone will always have their different views. I just hope, Queen Asuka, that in the future you don't have to get so irritated by things like that, especially when they're made by a single person on what to do to their own body. But that's just a thought...I'm not trying to tell you what to do, merely what to consider :whoops:

Consequently, I will consider not drinking as much, but I already don't drink that much as it is, so I can't really implement that...I still want to have my fun while I drink, so I don't think I will cease the behavior. Some may condemn me for it, but that is ok. It's ultimately my decision anyway :p[/color]

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo] Wh is drinking BAD??? This is what I fail to understand...What makes it wrong??? People have been drinking alcohol for thousands of years...actually untill pasturization arose eveyone drank alcohol...[/color]

[Anna]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Milliardo [/i]
[B]

What you say is [i]excessive[/i] use of alcohol, which we already have noted would really wreak havoc on your body. I am not even talking about excessive use, as I keep repeating.

And I do have the article about the benefits of red wine, as well as beer. Yes, they are real scientific research as well. [/B][/QUOTE]

Okay, so what you're saying is that alcohol- okay I'll be specific- read wine and beer are healthier than water and a run?? Because if they are then, well I've been going about being in shape all wrong haven't I! And if not, then WHY BOTHER? Seriously, if you want to be healthy, you'll do the things that will accomplish that best.

[Anna]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i]
[B][color=indigo] Wh is drinking BAD??? This is what I fail to understand...What makes it wrong??? People have been drinking alcohol for thousands of years...actually untill pasturization arose eveyone drank alcohol...[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

Why is drinking good?

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BabyGirl [/i]
[B]

[color=deeppink]Indeed I know it's wrong, and I still do it...I won't try to excuse this either, so I'll just say that and be quiet.

And I know my post was one of the ones you were referring to, that's why I got so upset. It felt, whether you realized this or not, like a personal attack on me. I know you didn't mean it this way, but believe me, that's what it sounded like.

I've calmed down a bit about it because I realize everyone will always have their different views. I just hope, Queen Asuka, that in the future you don't have to get so irritated by things like that, especially when they're made by a single person on what to do to their own body. But that's just a thought...I'm not trying to tell you what to do, merely what to consider :whoops:

Consequently, I will consider not drinking as much, but I already don't drink that much as it is, so I can't really implement that...I still want to have my fun while I drink, so I don't think I will cease the behavior. Some may condemn me for it, but that is ok. It's ultimately my decision anyway :p[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson][size=1]Well thank God you're being rational about this because I don't want to get on your bad side just because I'm stating my own personal opinion...like I say all the time...to each his own, ya know? It wasn't a personal attack on you, it just shocked me to find out that you did something like that. I never saw you as that type of person. I figured you was pretty clean cut, and I guess you still are because you really, like you said, don't do it often. But next time you're about to, please consider how others feel about it. You'll be a much better person without it and people will look up to you more for not doing it. [/color][/size]

[Heaven's Cloud]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Anna [/i]
[B]

Why is drinking good? [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=indigo] The Americn Heart Association found that by consuming one glass of red wine a day you can drastically reduce the risk of heart disease, which as we all know, is the leading cause of death in the US

The American Medical Association found that occasionally consuming an alcoholic beverage that contains a high carbohydrate ratio such as beer or a malt beverage in combination with tomato in its cooked form, helps reduce the risk of kidney damage and liver failure

So why is drinking BAD???[/color]

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i]
[B]

[color=indigo]

The American Medical Association found that occasionally consuming an alcoholic beverage that contains a high carbohydrate ratio such as beer or a malt beverage in combination with tomato in its cooked form, helps reduce the risk of kidney damage and liver failure

So why is drinking BAD???[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson][size=1]So are you saying mix up a tomato in a blender with a beer and drink it and that will be good for you??? What do you MEAN?? :drunk: That sounds sick...*shudders*[/color][/size]

[BabyGirl]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson][size=1]Well thank God you're being rational about this because I don't want to get on your bad side just because I'm stating my own personal opinion...[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=deeppink]That's because I'm a rational person most of the time. I was prematurely blinded by a little slap in the face, but after I got all of that posting out of my system, I felt better, and was able to see much clearer. This is the first thread since the one that Will2x started about "Would you keep your kid if it was retarded" that has made me so upset...I totally blew up in that one...[/color]

[Anna]

Heh, yeah I've read that before. They've said the same thing about oranges and onions and garlic. But hey, if you health nuts wanna take the wild road to a good heart, you go right on ahead. Let me know how you're doing in ten years.

[Lia]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i]
[B][color=indigo] So why is drinking BAD???[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[size=1]because its addicting....
[B]when it gets addicting and you get drunk you may:[/B]
*drive and get in an accident
*be too drunk to notice you've been peer pressured into drugs
*erm....you can think of many more to add into these spaces...
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[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BabyGirl [/i]
[B]

[color=deeppink]That's because I'm a rational person most of the time. I was prematurely blinded by a little slap in the face, but after I got all of that posting out of my system, I felt better, and was able to see much clearer. This is the first thread since the one that Will2x started about "Would you keep your kid if it was retarded" that has made me so upset...I totally blew up in that one...[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson][size=1]Well, sorry to make you upset, that wasn't my intention. It's not like I'm deliberatley posting threads just to get on certain people's nerves. This was a topic I felt I needed to get out of my system and off my chest because it's been bothering me for a while. See, thing is, I had two pretty close friends who were influenced by this older girl to get into this type of stuff and now they can't live without it and they always say they are going to quit and then they can barely make it to the weekend without a drink. It's disheartening....[/color][/size]

[Justin]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson][size=1]So are you saying mix up a tomato in a blender with a beer and drink it and that will be good for you??? What do you MEAN?? :drunk: That sounds sick...*shudders*[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]
Ever heard of a Bloody Mary? ;)

I like the way [i]most of us[/i] have picked up ourselves in this topic and come to agree, or at least tolerate one another's opinions. 'Tis a very good sign.

As for the whole "drinking is good for you" thing: Yes. Drinking alcohol [b]in moderation[/b] is very good for your heart. Whether or not its better than a good old-fashioned run, I can't say, but it won't do you any damage.

For everything else: I've stated my opinion already.

-Justin

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B]
Ever heard of a Bloody Mary? ;) [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson][size=1]Is that seriously what that consists of?!? That is totally off the wall sickness there...I couldnt' imagine a tomato beer type drink...I don't like tomato drinks enough as it is...although I do like tomato sandwiches...AH get me away from the tomatos!!!!!!! *runs off screaming*[/color][/size]

[Anna]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson][size=1]Well, sorry to make you upset, that wasn't my intention. It's not like I'm deliberatley posting threads just to get on certain people's nerves. This was a topic I felt I needed to get out of my system and off my chest because it's been bothering me for a while. See, thing is, I had two pretty close friends who were influenced by this older girl to get into this type of stuff and now they can't live without it and they always say they are going to quit and then they can barely make it to the weekend without a drink. It's disheartening....[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

..... -.- *sigh* yes, see we're juniors, and two of our friends last year got to be pretty close to this one girl who is now a senior. Anyway, she was like, a partier, pretty, on drill team, blah blah whatever else, and that rubbed off on them, the party stuff. So, over this past summer and pretty much throughout the year, just about every weekend there'd be a party, and they'd be there. They NEVER did drank until this girl got them to, and yeah, they drank becasue she pressured them! She has outrightly stated on many occasions that it is her 'hobby' to 'corrupt people'. That just ........ makes me mad.... because now I look at my friends..... and they're not the same people. No they're not sloppy drunks, but they can't stop. I'm just afraid something bad's going to happen,.... I also have a friend who was raped when she was drunk, so I guess this also furthers my anti-alcohol view, if you could imagine that. :rolleyes:

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Anna [/i]
[B]

..... -.- *sigh* yes, see we're juniors, and two of our friends last year got to be pretty close to this one girl who is now a senior. Anyway, she was like, a partier, pretty, on drill team, blah blah whatever else, and that rubbed off on them, the party stuff. So, over this past summer and pretty much throughout the year, just about every weekend there'd be a party, and they'd be there. They NEVER did drank until this girl got them to, and yeah, they drank becasue she pressured them! She has outrightly stated on many occasions that it is her 'hobby' to 'corrupt people'. That just ........ makes me mad.... because now I look at my friends..... and they're not the same people. No they're not sloppy drunks, but they can't stop. I'm just afraid something bad's going to happen,.... I also have a friend who was raped when she was drunk, so I guess this also furthers my anti-alcohol view, if you could imagine that. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson][size=1]Also....they only do it because they get lots of attention from the guys because of it and it gives them an excuse to make out with lots of guys and then say that they don't remember what they did when they know damn well that's the whole reason that they did it in the first place...And they were some of the best and smartest people before this girl "corrupted" them, and I'm scared something's going to happen to them.[/color][/size]

[Justin]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson][size=1]Is that seriously what that consists of?!? That is totally off the wall sickness there...I couldnt' imagine a tomato beer type drink...I don't like tomato drinks enough as it is...although I do like tomato sandwiches...AH get me away from the tomatos!!!!!!! *runs off screaming*[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, actually it tomato juice and vodka, I believe. I have a book on bartending...:blush:

-Justin

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B]
Well, actually it tomato juice and vodka, I believe. I have a book on bartending...:blush:

-Justin [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson][size=1]And how that tastes good, I will never understand. But ya know...if you're drinking, eventually you wont taste it anyway, so what does it mattter I suppose...[/color][/size]

[BabyGirl]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson][size=1]And how that tastes good, I will never understand. But ya know...if you're drinking, eventually you wont taste it anyway, so what does it mattter I suppose...[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=deeppink]Actually, when this drink is prepared, it's most likely at bars or sophisticated parties where the goal isn't to get drunk, but to enjoy ones self. It takes a LOT of alcohol to not be able to taste what you are drinking, because that is a stage I have never been at. I assume people drink a Bloody Mary for the taste, not because they can't taste it at all...[/color]

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BabyGirl [/i]
[B]

[color=deeppink]Actually, when this drink is prepared, it's most likely at bars or sophisticated parties where the goal isn't to get drunk, but to enjoy ones self. It takes a LOT of alcohol to not be able to taste what you are drinking, because that is a stage I have never been at. I assume people drink a Bloody Mary for the taste, not because they can't taste it at all...[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson][size=1]You have a very good point there...and in that case, I must state again...I will never understand how anyone could enjoy the taste of that. It sounds pretty gross, but to each his own, like I always like to say....*shudders thinking about tomatos...*[/color][/size]

[Milliardo]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i]
[B][color=indigo] The Americn Heart Association found that by consuming one glass of red wine a day you can drastically reduce the risk of heart disease, which as we all know, is the leading cause of death in the US

The American Medical Association found that occasionally consuming an alcoholic beverage that contains a high carbohydrate ratio such as beer or a malt beverage in combination with tomato in its cooked form, helps reduce the risk of kidney damage and liver failure[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

There you have it. Thank you, Heaven's Cloud, for that one. It seems, though, that some people are still adamant towards the [i]healthful[/i] side of drinking. Not excessive, mind you--one glass is not even considered to be going to excess. Now, since we have the facts there, it is really up to you whether or not you would like to follow it. I see no reason to argue about facts, but then some here have their own preferences, so let it be.