Everyone's Clouded Vision of Life....

[bignatedawg]

I used to think that it was cool to drink and smoke pot, but then I relized I was only doing it because the "cool" kids were doing it. After I saw what a stupid reason I had, I dropped it all together. If you drink or do drugs, go ahead, I don't realy care, but if you only do it to be one of the "cool" kids or to rebel against society, thats just dumb. :)

[Guest Zeh]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]
[B][color=royalblue]Kids who drink underage (as in, 13/14 or so) make me utterly sick.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=indigo]I agree 100%.... although i see smoking a lot more frequent than drinking... it still makes me sick..... Just what they are doing to there bodies... [/COLOR]

[*GaLxY-GiRl*]

Trying to fit in with a certain type of people is unrealistic... any way you look at it. 'Cool' is relative; what one person thinks is cool, another person thinks is dumb. You can't please everyone... and there's really no point in trying. Say you meet a guy that you think is cute... hypothetically speaking, he believes smoking dope is 'cool', so you smoke some to appease him. Then, all of a sudden... an even hotter guy walks by, and sees you smoking weed. He thinks it's way gross, and you've royally screwed yourself out of chance with a Grade-A male. Be yourself and others will follow suit... they'll think you're 'cool' for it, and happy-ever-after, right? Yeah... whatever.

Also... where do some of these fools get off by saying alcohol makes them happy?? If you've ever heard this from someone, they were lying through their teeth and knew it. Last time I checked, alcohol is a drug, and a [b]depressant[/b] at that! Get real...

Oh and uhh... I'm 17, and yes I've drank before... I've gotten sh!t faced and I'm not going to lie. But you know what? Even though it had some pretty cool [i]immediate[/i] effects... I soon realized what a depressant could do to a tender teenager struggling with authority and school work. Suicide's real, and so are threats. Think you have problems? I bet you do. Do some drugs and see them get 1,000 times worse. That's a promise.

*Sigh* I've gotten way off of the topic.

As for [i]what[/i] goes through the people's minds that think drugs are cool..... who knows. Like I mentioned before, 'cool' is relative. I have absolutely NO right in this divinely mad world, to [b]declare[/b] drugs are uncool. I do, on the other hand, have a right to opinionate them as totally uncool. Don't fight the system! It works with 'ya in times like this! Gotta love the first Amendment! :excited:

[DeathKnight]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]

[color=royalblue]Why? Because it's pathetic and foolish.[/color] [/QUOTE]

[color=crimson]So, I'm Foolish and Pathetic. See if anyone who does that cares what people say about them...[/color]

[quote][color=royalblue]
Moreover, it will potentially damage your life in the future (especially if you develop a dependancy/addiction). [/quote][/color]

[color=crimson]If they are depressed and trying to escape, do they really think they have a future?

Personally I want to slit my wrists sometime soon, I just cant right now cause it would hurt a ton of people. As soon as I screw up and everyone hates me, i'm gone.[/color]

[quote][color=royalblue]Drinking let's you escape for a mere moment in time.[/color][/quote]

[color=crimson]One moment of peace is worth my life... dunno about others... but thats my veiw on it...[/color]

[Chaos]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]
[B]

[color=royalblue]Why? Because it's pathetic and foolish.
[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

First off, who are you to judge who we are? I see how you can pass judgment on someone because of something they CHOOSE to do. I'm sick of people saying "Oh, that's just disgusting" or "You kids shouldn't do that; it's not good for you."

That kind of crap pisses me off...... I mean, we are who we are, we are who we choose to be, when we want to be, where we want to be, why we won't to be. So what makes you think you can call us down just because we do something you don't approve of? Hmm?

If this post offends you, go outside and punch your fence for a good twently minutes like I did with my now-raw fists today...

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SuperSayian [/i]
[B]

First off, who are you to judge who we are? I see how you can pass judgment on someone because of something they CHOOSE to do. I'm sick of people saying "Oh, that's just disgusting" or "You kids shouldn't do that; it's not good for you."[/QUOTE][/b]

[color=royalblue]I'm not judging anyone. I'm saying that underage drinking is damaging to a child's health, both in a physical and mental sense. You want to try and disagree with years of scientific/medical evidence? Go right ahead. But don't come crying to me when you're proven wrong.[/color][QUOTE][B]

That kind of crap pisses me off...... I mean, we are who we are, we are who we choose to be, when we want to be, where we want to be, why we won't to be. So what makes you think you can call us down just because we do something you don't approve of? Hmm?[/quote][/b]

[color=royalblue]Oh I see. So if I stick a needle in my arm and pump myself up with heroin, it's okay to say "ohh but it's just who I am! :D". Sorry, but that is just another pathetic excuse for self-harm.

The fact is, it has nothing to do with whether or not I approve. It has to do with kids damaging themselves. Kids should realize how pathetic and ridiculous underage drinking is. And that's all that needs to be said -- there is no way you can defend it.[/color][QUOTE][B]

If this post offends you, go outside and punch your fence for a good twently minutes like I did with my now-raw fists today... [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=royalblue]It doesn't offend me, it just saddens me that you can so easily excuse destructive behavior.[/color]

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]James we dont want anyone looking out for our health and acting like they care. We dont care what people older than us really think about our actions, we do what we like. Deal with it.

The point of drinking differs from person to person, but if they choose to damage their health, it isnt anyones place to try and stop them. It's their choice...

Cutting your arm, drinking, attempting suicide, taking drugs, sticking a needle in your arm, all of it is a way to get anger out.

You really want kids to take all their anger out in school shootings?

If you want the quality of our actions to improve, you should go to the source.

Its a thing called 'Life'.

That is the source that drives us to the extreme measures.

Most likely every kid that grows up and gets to drink early and all that isnt trying to be cool. If they are, they are dumbasses. They have prolly seen things that they have nightmares about for years to come.

So Let Them Be...[/color]

[Andrew]

It took me like half an hour or more to read thorught all these pages fully. I thought I'd add my opinion here.

I, myself am 14 and drink (underage drinker) and I don't do it to be 'cool' or to 'fit in'. I originally thought what is the point of drinking becasue when I first tasted it, it was foul! that was a year or year and half ago. Then I started drinking. Being very open I'm not a very confident person, and never have been, but while I drank I became very confident. Also When me and my friends were drunk we had more of a laugh than we usually do. So my reason is for extra confidence and a good laugh. And I've seen lots of people writing 'this is a foolish reason' or 'this is stupid' and something like 'if someone tells you they had a good time while they were drunk they were lying'. Maybe most of you think this because you've had a bad experience, but I've never had a hang over, I've never been sick and I definatly don't do it cause it's illegal. And I've never lost control while drinking and I've never been addicted. Come to think of it I haven't had a drink in ages.

Why must you people say it's wrong! You may THINK it's wrong but you can't DECLARE it wrong, A person's choice is their own. I hate it when people THINK they know the reasons for underage teens to drink. It just pisses me off! I apologise if this affends anyone but that's what I think and it's not going to be changed.

I've probably left something out here............ah hell to it!

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DeathKnight [/i]
[B][color=crimson]James we dont want anyone looking out for our health and acting like they care. We dont care what people older than us really think about our actions, we do what we like. Deal with it.[/quote][/b]

[color=royalblue]Yeah, and don't you see how foolish that is? "We don't care, we do what we like".

If some kid wants to drink themselves into a stupor, I'm not going to go over there and stop them. I'm just saying that it's pointless and damaging to the child, not to mention that it's illegal.[/color][quote][b]

The point of drinking differs from person to person, but if they choose to damage their health, it isnt anyones place to try and stop them. It's their choice...[/quote][/b]

[color=royalblue]Once again, it's all fine and good to say that. But do you really think it's acceptable to just let everyone in society who has a problem go out and injure themselves in such a way?

Of course it isn't. What you are saying reflects a true lack of compassion. I'm not trying to boss people around, I'm just trying to wake them up to foolish behavior -- sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. And if this means restricting children from doing something [i]illegal[/i], then so be it.[/color][quote][b]

Cutting your arm, drinking, attempting suicide, taking drugs, sticking a needle in your arm, all of it is a way to get anger out.

You really want kids to take all their anger out in school shootings? [/quote][/b]

[color=royalblue]Don't be absurd. Of course I don't want that.

But I refuse to be so dismissive about such a big problem.[/color][quote][b]

If you want the quality of our actions to improve, you should go to the source.

Its a thing called 'Life'.

That is the source that drives us to the extreme measures. [/quote][/b]

[color=royalblue]You are telling me to mind my own business and then that I should go to the source?

Sorry, but there is a lot of hypocracy there.

Children don't know about life. They lack life experience. Kids who start abusing their bodies early in life are desperately trying to find a way of funneling out the pain -- this I realize.

But that doesn't mean that it is appropriate for adults to stand by and let it happen. It's especially wrong for the children's parents to do so.

You're 13 years old. What you do now to yourself or to others is (and must be) of concern to your parents and other adults. Especially if it's illegal.

However, if you were 18 years old..if you were and adult and were legally able to drink, I would have much less compassion. Adults can make their own judgements on issues, having had more life experience. If an adult chooses to drink themselves to death, I really don't care -- as they are intelligent enough to know that it will ruin the rest of their lives.

I don't have sympathy for children who drink underage (or smoke, do drugs etc), however I do feel that it's important to help them sort out their problems without resorting to alcohol and other substances. Substance abuse doesn't solve anything at all - and nobody can deny that.[/color][quote][b]

Most likely every kid that grows up and gets to drink early and all that isnt trying to be cool. If they are, they are dumbasses. They have prolly seen things that they have nightmares about for years to come.

So Let Them Be...[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=royalblue]Perhaps. But wallowing in self pity won't do anyone any good.

You know as well as anyone that drinking or whatever can seriously damage your physical and mental health.

It doesn't make the pain go away in the long term...it will only make you feel worse.

Children who are resorting to such measures to soften the pain are in obvious need of help...whether it be psychiatric help or otherwise. And I don't think anyone would deny that -- stopping kids drinking isn't my concern. My concern is attacking the core of the problem. [/color]

[BabyGirl]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]
[B]

[color=royalblue]Children who are resorting to such measures to soften the pain are in obvious need of help...whether it be psychiatric help or otherwise. And I don't think anyone would deny that -- stopping kids drinking isn't my concern. My concern is attacking the core of the problem. [/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=deeppink][i]Just a note that you have to be 21 over here to drink legally.[/i]

I actually have to agree you on this James. I have a lot of "pain" and anger from growing up with a younger brother in a wheelchair. It has affected our family, our friends, and everything else in our world. I guess since I was so young when he was born that it majorly affected my 'mental state' or something like that.

I don't fully understand it because I choose not to dwell on it. I do admit that I have some anger about what happend to my brother, but even [i]I'm[/i] not sure where that anger is channeling from. What I do instead is love my brother for who he is, and accept the fact that nothing can change the past. I don't resort to drinking as a 'way out', even though I do drink illegally.

I drink because I enjoy it, not because I want to drink myself into a stupor because of how "bad" my life is (which it isn't really that bad anyway :)). There are other ways to sort out the past, and drowning yourself in your problems and topping it off with depressants isn't the way to do that. I've found that out first hand :)[/color]

[Lia]

[size=1]i'm hearing drinking is an escape from problems? haha..hahaha.....don't make me wet my pants in laughter right now.....lets get this straight....
drinking is [B]NOT[/B]:
[B]*an escape from problems...[/B]
[I] it adds a helll of alot more problems....[/I]
[B]*a thing to make you confident....[/B]
[I]look, if you want to be confident start cleaning up your act, study, do well in school, boost your ego a bit....yea everything along those lines not "hey look guys i'm drinking..my egos going up...I'M A REBEL!!!!!"[/I]
[B]*To get anger out?[/B]
[I]HAHA!!! HAHAHA!!!......yea...riiight....if you want to get anger out you get it out by yelling, screaming...or possible throwing stuffed animals and objects(no not people) around..it helps....[/I]

and thats my 2 cents...please no flaming me just stating my opinion O.o;;[/size]

[Chaos]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]
[B]

[color=royalblue]Children who are resorting to such measures to soften the pain are in obvious need of help...whether it be psychiatric help or otherwise.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

Please.. Therapy doesn't do jack. Trust me. Five years of anger managment and where am I? I'm outside busting a fence open with my raw fists, that's where. I'm at a dance beating up the same kid four times in an hour and a half tme span.

Hell, I've even had a psychiatric evaluation. Trust me, therapy DOES [b]NOT[/b] help.. Therapy is four things..

1) A waste of time and energy.

2) Universities trying to get money out of students looking to into a lost cause.

3) Just some person babbling about nothing.

4) A good way to get perscription medications that people just use to get addicted/killed.


Anyone can fake anything, which is where the last one comes in. So you'll have to excuse me if I disagree with the whole 'get therapy' campaign......

[Lia]

[size=1] i agree with the therapy doesn't help thing (though i've never had it, just observed). But what brings your anger? its holding things in, you need to soften up and just let people know your problems...holding it in doesn't make it any better, it just puts you in the state you are in now (directed to Neil)[/size]

[BabyGirl]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SuperSayian [/i]
[B]

Please.. Therapy doesn't do jack. Trust me. Five years of anger managment and where am I?

Hell, I've even had a psychiatric evaluation. Trust me, therapy DOES [b]NOT[/b] help... [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=deeppink]That's because you're stuck in the frame of mind that somehow the world screwed you over. I [i]know[/i] how it is, I experience the same thing day after day. I [i]choose[/i] to live my life differently, and you can [i]choose[/i] to let people help you.

Your aarogance is getting your way. Let yourself be humbled, believe that your life isn't so bad you thought it was...maybe even realize that people may have it worse than you.

I have restrained from therapy because I believe I have a good enough grasp on who I am and the great things in my life to not need it. Maybe as you get older you will understand...not that it's an age thing like "you're young and stupid" because I don't mean that...I just mean that I have noticed myself changing a lot over the past four years of high school.

Give life a chance to be beautiful :whoops:[/color]

[coolkam007]

you know whats good for getting out stress and anger?.. a violent video game.. the easier the better.. nothing is as good as ripping the guts out of aliens.. alot of aliens.. with huge guns and such..

:)

if you dont have video games.. try beating up something that wont get dammaged easy.. like a pillow.. just go beat the bejeezus out of a pillow..

dont take it out on yourself or other people..



DK, please dont go to such extreams .. like killing yourself..

or if your going to try to kill yourself.. try dying of hunger.. then once you cant stand it anymore you'll just open up your cupboard and relize how good you actually have it.. there are thousands of children who die of hunger.. .. can you ever begin to imagin the pain?.. ..

if your not going to live for yourselfs.. atleast live for the people who you care for..

[Deedlit]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B][color=crimson][size=1]There's something that's totally been bothering me lately that I've noticed on the boards more and more. What is up with people thinking it's so COOL to do drugs or to drink when it's totally illegal? I've already seen on here twice where people were like "I was totally drunk when I posted that" almost like they are bragging or something. Were you RAISED to think that is the right and "cool" thing to do? If you have to lower yourself to that kind of level so people will look up to you then you're not a very strong individual. I know someone has to share my opinion on this. I just want to know what goes through you people's minds!!!!!

I'm not trying to be all goody-good, because I went to a party ONCE and got drunk and I must say, it was NOT a fun experience and I didn't think it was "cool" in the slightest. But the way people are influenced nowadays, it seems the way to go. I thought it was only like that down here in Redneckville, Georgia, but this a re-occuring issue all over the place...I think it's getting way too much out of hand....[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SuperSayian [/i]
[b]Please.. Therapy doesn't do jack. Trust me. Five years of anger managment and where am I? I'm outside busting a fence open with my raw fists, that's where. I'm at a dance beating up the same kid four times in an hour and a half tme span.

Hell, I've even had a psychiatric evaluation. Trust me, therapy DOES NOT help.. Therapy is four things..

1) A waste of time and energy.

2) Universities trying to get money out of students looking to into a lost cause.

3) Just some person babbling about nothing.

4) A good way to get perscription medications that people just use to get addicted/killed.


Anyone can fake anything, which is where the last one comes in. So you'll have to excuse me if I disagree with the whole 'get therapy' campaign......[/B][/QUOTE]

I totally agree with Queen Asuka, James, and SuperSayian.

Anger management doesn't help, (all they tell you is to hold your breath and count to 10. For me, by the time I get to 2, I've already hit them) and I totally agree with James and Queen Asuka.

I don't know why they do it either. Legally or Illegally. They could get arrested for doing it illegally, (yes, you can and will get arrested. Trust me. Two people in my class were arrested yesterday during school for doing drugs) and even if they were doing it legally, it makes them look dumb most of the time. Therapy isn't the answer most of the time. It seems to make them angrier.

[Dan L]

This post is gonna take a while...

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DeathKnight [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson]
Most of them drink to get numb the pains of whatever they are dealing with. [/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=darkblue][b]I disagree there... it may be different for most people that you know, but the vast majority of kids that drink at such a young age do so because either theyre not allowed or because their friends persuade them to- because theyre not allowed. I'd say the same goes for drugs, but in the case of drugs it's more that they start out that way but end up being dependant on drugs. In the case of alcohol, this is the case for most people who drink to numb the pain.. it's all down to dependance.[/b]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]
[B]

[color=royalblue]
Kids who drink underage (as in, 13/14 or so) make me utterly sick.
[/color][/quote]

I dunno, I personally think that this is a bit harsh, given that they all have varied reasons.[/b]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DeathKnight [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson]
If you want the quality of our actions to improve, you should go to the source.

Its a thing called 'Life'. [/color][/quote]

The main problem is that drinking doesn't solve these problems, it just takes you away from them for a brief moment... OK.. maybe that moment of peace means a lot to you but the problems are still there, you end up no better, sometimes even worse off, than you were before... like you said, the problem is life. Life needs to be sorted out, not ran away from. Of course, there are certain cases where this can't easily be acheived, and if that's the kind of situation you're in then I am sorry, though I still believe that facing up to the problems provides a better long term solution to the problem.[/b]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DeathKnight [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson]
Most likely every kid that grows up and gets to drink early and all that isnt trying to be cool. If they are, they are dumbasses. They have prolly seen things that they have nightmares about for years to come. [/color][/quote]

Sorry, but where I live at least, this isn't the case. Not only do these kids drink and smoke early, and take drugs, but they'rs also the ones that go round killing other kids, and I don't mean anything like a few kids with guns.. I mean a few kids gang up on one and- you really do not want to know the details... or if you do, then I just don't want to continue. OK.. I accept that some drinking kids really do have problems, but the vast majority just cause them.[/b][/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SuperSayian [/i]
[B]
Hell, I've even had a psychiatric evaluation. Trust me, therapy DOES NOT help.. Therapy is four things..

1) A waste of time and energy.

2) Universities trying to get money out of students looking to into a lost cause.

3) Just some person babbling about nothing.

4) A good way to get perscription medications that people just use to get addicted/killed. [/QUOTE]

[color=darkblue]1) Yeah, that's probably because you don't see a fault with yourself, and so refuse to be helped... either that or you refuse to accept that you can be helped

2) And what is beating up a fence but a lost cause? While you're beating up that fence, they're trying to get you to stop it, surely that's the better of the two...

3) So are most people if you just dismiss it as that

4) Perhaps so. I'm not really too sure on that one[/b][/color]

[BabyGirl]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Deus_Ex_Machina [/i]
[B]This post is gonna take a while...



[color=darkblue]1) Yeah, that's probably because you don't see a fault with yourself, and so refuse to be helped... either that or you refuse to accept that you can be helped

2) And what is beating up a fence but a lost cause? While you're beating up that fence, they're trying to get you to stop it, surely that's the better of the two...

3) So are most people if you just dismiss it as that
[/b][/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=deeppink]You, my friend, are wise ;)[/color]

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BabyGirl [/i]
[B]

[color=deeppink]You, my friend, are wise ;)[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=royalblue]Agreed. Deus_Ex made some good points.

I think the basic idea is that if you are constantly pessimistic about everything...nothing will work for you. You can only be helped if you are willing to put trust in others and "help them help you".[/color]