D. Dark Posted April 15, 2002 Share Posted April 15, 2002 When Goku SSJ fights 100% Freiza, and is "Supposedly" killed, does he really die, or not, for he is stronger when he comes back. If he did die, how was he wished back if he had already been revived with the earth's dragonballs before? This is something I've never understood well. Is it a major plot-hole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted April 15, 2002 Share Posted April 15, 2002 [SIZE=1][color=firebrick]Well I [i]think[/i], [b]I [i]think[/i][/b], it's because when they did wish back everybody, they wished back everyone that had been killed at the hands of Furiza. They weren't neccessarily just wishing back Gokou. Either that or he didn't die and just was waiting and got his second wind. :p[/SIZE][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSJ4BROLLI Posted April 15, 2002 Share Posted April 15, 2002 goku was never killed on namek and he wasn't wished back to life because he didn't die. if you remember the dragon said that goku couldn't be brought back because he wasn't dead. i believe they wished for him to come back to earth but he didn't want to just yet. if you watch the episode where goku comes back you will see how he escapes form the exploding namek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted April 15, 2002 Share Posted April 15, 2002 [SIZE=1][color=firebrick]He's not talking about when Namek exploded. He's talking about when Furiza pushed Gokou down into that hole and then it erupted with lava or whatnot. And then Gohan got all mad and came and tried to fight Furiza and we assumed Gokou dead, but then he comes back after the wish was made..[/size][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted April 16, 2002 Share Posted April 16, 2002 i allways thought it was because the namek balls can bring anyone back, it was the earth balls that can't bring some one back if they had already died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibatku Posted April 16, 2002 Share Posted April 16, 2002 Yes and no. Namek can bring back people more than once and the earth can only bring them back once. Thats what happens at the end of the Cell Saga. Anyway to your question at the top. Remember Goku didn't kill Frieza. Frieza killed himself. He threw that discus and Goku moved behind him and Frieza was cut in half. Then when they wished back everyone who died by Frieza, he was brought back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSJ Pud Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 Hmm i heard that after Freeza got chopped up an Namek blew up his father found him and rebuilt him into a cyborg. If this is true Freeza never died on Namek. I don't remember where i saw this so it could be false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Dark Posted April 17, 2002 Author Share Posted April 17, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SSJ Pud [/i] [B]Hmm i heard that after Freeza got chopped up an Namek blew up his father found him and rebuilt him into a cyborg. If this is true Freeza never died on Namek. I don't remember where i saw this so it could be false. [/B][/QUOTE] No, it's true and your right. You can see this at the first appearance of Trunks when he fights Freiza on earth. PiroMunkie is right,that's what I'm talking about. Oh, and Freiza [I]nearly[/I] killed himself, but he survived, thanks to Goku's energy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted April 18, 2002 Share Posted April 18, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shibatku [/i] [B]Yes and no. Namek can bring back people more than once and the earth can only bring them back once. Thats what happens at the end of the Cell Saga. Anyway to your question at the top. Remember Goku didn't kill Frieza. Frieza killed himself. He threw that discus and Goku moved behind him and Frieza was cut in half. Then when they wished back everyone who died by Frieza, he was brought back. [/B][/QUOTE] Why don't you stop TRYING to sound smart? When Frieza slashed himself with the discs, that was a good two week's worth of episodes between from when he did that and when the wish was made. Some people just never stop being newbies... This one is easily answered. Since Earth's DragonBalls can only revive someone once, and Kakarot was already brought back, Kakarot did not die. "What about the Namekian DragonBalls?" Simple. Let's lay out the wishes. First Wish: Bring Piccolo back to life. Second Wish: Bring Piccolo to Planet Namek. Third Wish: Transport everyone on Namek to Earth. See? Since the Earth's DragonBalls were used to wish all that had been killed by Frieza back to life, Kakarot couldn't've been wished back, due to the fact that he had already been brought back. Summary: Kakarot did NOT die when Fireza pummeled him into that lava pocket underground, he was merely regaining some energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Dark Posted April 18, 2002 Author Share Posted April 18, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SuperSayian [/i] [B] Why don't you stop TRYING to sound smart? When Frieza slashed himself with the discs, that was a good two week's worth of episodes between from when he did that and when the wish was made. Some people just never stop being newbies... This one is easily answered. Since Earth's DragonBalls can only revive someone once, and Kakarot was already brought back, Kakarot did not die. "What about the Namekian DragonBalls?" Simple. Let's lay out the wishes. First Wish: Bring Piccolo back to life. Second Wish: Bring Piccolo to Planet Namek. Third Wish: Transport everyone on Namek to Earth. See? Since the Earth's DragonBalls were used to wish all that had been killed by Frieza back to life, Kakarot couldn't've been wished back, due to the fact that he had already been brought back. Summary: Kakarot did NOT die when Fireza pummeled him into that lava pocket underground, merely regaining some energy. [/B][/QUOTE] That is what I thought from the beginning (Stupid that I made this thread then), but doesn't it seem a bit of blunder? I mean, everybody thought he was dead, but magically came back, especially since he came from a place far away from where Freiza slammed him. Hmm, it is odd, but that is the obvious thing, I guess. They could have it explained it better. Never mind, weird stuff happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainez Posted April 18, 2002 Share Posted April 18, 2002 I thought King Cold did find Freeza and re-build him as a cyborg. I'm confused.:drunk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SuperSayian [/i] [B] Why don't you stop TRYING to sound smart? When Frieza slashed himself with the discs, that was a good two week's worth of episodes between from when he did that and when the wish was made. Some people just never stop being newbies... This one is easily answered. Since Earth's DragonBalls can only revive someone once, and Kakarot was already brought back, Kakarot did not die. "What about the Namekian DragonBalls?" Simple. Let's lay out the wishes. First Wish: Bring Piccolo back to life. Second Wish: Bring Piccolo to Planet Namek. Third Wish: Transport everyone on Namek to Earth. See? Since the Earth's DragonBalls were used to wish all that had been killed by Frieza back to life, Kakarot couldn't've been wished back, due to the fact that he had already been brought back. Summary: Kakarot did NOT die when Fireza pummeled him into that lava pocket underground, merely regaining some energy. [/B][/QUOTE] Exactly, thank you, plus if you watch movie 8, Brolli is covered in lava and doesn't die. I don't know if it was because he was so powerful, cuz I'm pretty sure Goku would get his ***** whooped if I wrote the movie. I don't know if Goku would have been powerful enough to withstand the lava, just another mystery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Aries [/i] [B] Exactly, thank you, plus if you watch movie 8, Brolli is covered in lava and doesn't die. I don't know if it was because he was so powerful, cuz I'm pretty sure Goku would get his ***** whooped if I wrote the movie. I don't know if Goku would have been powerful enough to withstand the lava, just another mystery [/B][/QUOTE] The reason why Brolli wasn't harmed in Movie 8 was because of that energy sphere he kept forming. You saw how it just slapped the Hell out of Kakarot when he punched it. No doubt Kakarot did something similar on Namek. I mean, do you remember seeing the parts where he would go something, and it would just bend away like a force field? That's because of the energy pushes all solid matter away, because it's not powerful enough to withstand the pressure.. .. .. .. Where the Hell did all this smartness come from? :cross: :whoops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainez Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Aries [/i] [B] Exactly, thank you, plus if you watch movie 8, Brolli is covered in lava and doesn't die. I don't know if it was because he was so powerful, cuz I'm pretty sure Goku would get his ***** whooped if I wrote the movie. I don't know if Goku would have been powerful enough to withstand the lava, just another mystery [/B][/QUOTE] That just proves that Brolli is the ultimate Saiyan :devil:. In 8, doesn't Brolli find his father?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rainez [/i] [B]That just proves that Brolli is the ultimate Saiyan :devil:. In 8, doesn't Brolli find his father??[/B][/QUOTE][SIZE=1][color=firebrick]If Brolli was the "ultimate Saiyajin" he wouldn't have been defeated. Yes he does have a father, Paragus I do believe is the name. But try to stay on topic, and don't respond to this part of my post. Anyway, I did figure the Gokou created an energy shield when he was pushed into that lava pit thing. If I do remember correctly he even had one around him when he came out of it. So ya :p[/SIZE][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleFluteSan Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 The way I see it, the main, original story of DBZ should have ended with Freeza being killed by Goku, and Goku ascending into Super Saiyan and being the only Super Saiyan. Noone had transformed into a Super Saiyan in generations because they needed to be like Goku, and most of the Saiyans were like Vegeta. Everything else that happened after that (trunks, cyber freeza, vegeta gong SS, etc) was written just because they needed a story to continue the series past the death of Freiza. And it wouldn't have been as fun if Goku was the only SS. They brought Freeza back to life as a point of reference. In the last saga, Freeza was the most powerful being in the universe, and Trunks the SS easily dispatched him, as Goku did on Namek, but he was still totally unable to kill the andriods. The point to all this? In DBZ, Freeza saga, when Goku went into the lava, he was totally able to survive that because he was SOOO incredibly powerful, the most powerful warrior in the history of the universe, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSJ Pud Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by LittleFluteSan [/i] [B]The way I see it, the main, original story of DBZ should have ended with Freeza being killed by Goku, and Goku ascending into Super Saiyan and being the only Super Saiyan. Noone had transformed into a Super Saiyan in generations because they needed to be like Goku, and most of the Saiyans were like Vegeta. Everything else that happened after that (trunks, cyber freeza, vegeta gong SS, etc) was written just because they needed a story to continue the series past the death of Freiza. And it wouldn't have been as fun if Goku was the only SS. They brought Freeza back to life as a point of reference. In the last saga, Freeza was the most powerful being in the universe, and Trunks the SS easily dispatched him, as Goku did on Namek, but he was still totally unable to kill the andriods. The point to all this? In DBZ, Freeza saga, when Goku went into the lava, he was totally able to survive that because he was SOOO incredibly powerful, the most powerful warrior in the history of the universe, etc. [/B][/QUOTE] a little off topic but anyway... If the series ended with furiza then it would be very short indeed. I think Akarai had it all planned out fro the next couple series he never decided he would stop at the furiza one. They did not write them just to ride the coast tails becuase (in my mind) furiza was not the best series anyways. It would have been a hell of a lot less interesting if the story stopped there and way less popular To some it up i think that would be a very very very stupid idea :toothy: :toothy: "but that's just my opinion, i could be wrong", Dennis Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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