Guest Chris Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 if some one goes ssj4 and gets their tail chopped off can they go ssj4 again? what if they grow their tail back? and do they use alot of strength? i know very little about this level of ssj thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ssj3 [/i] [B]if some one goes ssj4 and gets their tail chopped off can they go ssj4 again? what if they grow their tail back? and do they use alot of strength? i know very little about this level of ssj thanks [/B][/QUOTE] If their tail gets chopped off, they will most likely still be able to transform again, because it's just another level that they can access. Just like the other SSJ levels. If they grow their tail back, then there's nothing special going to happen, because they have already transformed to SSJ4 Do they use a lot of strength? Can you please......uh...........explain that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Altron Gundam Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 Actually you DO have to have the tail out to go Super Saiya-jin 4 without the help of a machine(Vejita-san's case). The Kaio-shin elder spent 2 damn episodes trying to pull Gokuu's tail out with a pair of giant pliers -_-; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 I think what he meant by do they use a lot of energy is whether they use up a lot of energy transforming, which I don't think so since it is never referenced in GT, only in DBZ in a few episodes where they talk about how much energy it takes to transform into a super saiyajin.... if I remember correctly, son gokou was explaining it to son gohan when they were both training in the room of spirit and time during the cell saga, when he was telling son gohan to try to stay super saiyajin for long periods of time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaioshin Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 Alot of energy is used to transform, but it is replenished when they actually reach the level (For example, it took loads of energy for Goku to transform to SSJ3 when fighting Buu, but as soon as he transformed, he became stronger.) About the tail chopping thing, once a saiyan gets to SSJ4, they cant return to any previous form of SSJ. They stay like that. (I think, at least that's what I read on the internet.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCBaggee Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 [color=red][size=3]Not sure about going L4, but I do know you need the tail and the SS4 transformation to turn into an Ougon Oozaru...jeez, I hope that's true and not just a rumor, 'cuz I'll feel like an idiot if it's not![/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geist Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 I believe the tail is crucial since they tried to pull it out like Altron said. And goku became a Golden Oozaru [B]before[/B] he became a SSJ4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 once a saiyajin has a tail, they must transform into a super saiyajin, and THEN they transform into golden monkey whatchyamacallit, this then compresses their size and they become ssj4, they wouldn't need to turn into a golden money because they already have the power in ssj4.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlow Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 The tail is the only way to go ssj4 besides the help of machines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSJ4BROLLI Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jlow [/i] [B]The tail is the only way to go ssj4 besides the help of machines! [/B][/QUOTE] what do you mean by the help of machines? if you're talking about the Brute Ray that bulma invented. that was only so vegeta could grow his tail back. i think you do have to still have your tail because if i remember correctly that's where they energy for the transformation is stored. kouberei is right goku turned into a golden oozaru and was out of control. pan started to cry and goku gained control of himself and turned ssj4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 sorry, i meant do they LOSE alot of energy (witout the tail). thanks for answering the other questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 No, most likely not. Because while they are still transformed, it doesn't matter if they lose their tail. And I believe that once you actually GO SSJ4, you don't need your tail to return to that state, as SSJ4 is a Saiyan's true form... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibatku Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 Yes you do need alot of energy to transform. Heck SSJ4 Gogeta could only hold it for 10 minutes. Which means Goku and Vegeta can basically hold it for 5 minutes. I'm not sure that the last one is true, but it is true that Gogeta can only hold SSJ4 for 10 minutes. Yes you need the tail to transform, it is impossible without it. They can go SSJ4 again if they grow the tail back again. That is basically the story o.k. all the facts I just gave are true. No lies. There you have it, SSJ4 questions solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSJ Pud Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Altron Gundam [/i] [B]Actually you DO have to have the tail out to go Super Saiya-jin 4 without the help of a machine(Vejita-san's case). The Kaio-shin elder spent 2 damn episodes trying to pull Gokuu's tail out with a pair of giant pliers -_-; [/B][/QUOTE] U must have a tail the FIRST time because u need to go golden oozaru first nad thats why u need it. After that i don't think you need the tail because u don't have to go through the golden oozaru again u just trnsform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shift Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 [color=royalblue][size=1][b]All I know is if their tail get's cut off while in SSj4 form then the go back to the SSj form before they went to the Oozaru stage. Though the only way Son-Goku and Bjita-sama cold grow their tail back was using Bulma's "Brute Ray" -Herman[/color][/size][/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shibatku [/i] [B]Yes you do need alot of energy to transform. Heck SSJ4 Gogeta could only hold it for 10 minutes. Which means Goku and Vegeta can basically hold it for 5 minutes. I'm not sure that the last one is true, but it is true that Gogeta can only hold SSJ4 for 10 minutes. Yes you need the tail to transform, it is impossible without it. They can go SSJ4 again if they grow the tail back again. That is basically the story o.k. all the facts I just gave are true. No lies. There you have it, SSJ4 questions solved. [/B][/QUOTE] The Hell? When SSJ4 Kakarot and SSJ4 Vegeta fused into SSJ4 Gogeta, SSJ4 Gogeta could only hold the form (of himself) for TWENTY minutes..... Jeez........ Get your facts straight. Also, you DON'T know what the Hell you're talking about in half of your post, because THERE IS NOTHING BEYOND GT. Meaning there is no true explination. Get real... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8blind90 Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 they will still be able to turn to ssj4 but they will lose some energy because thier tail is one of thier power sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ssj3 [/i] [B]i don't know any thing about a ougon ozaru, unless you're talking about the golden ozaru.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]Ougon is Japanese for golden I do believe. Or at least [i]something[/i] to that effect.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixflames Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 I really think that his question's been answered, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaioshin Posted May 12, 2002 Share Posted May 12, 2002 I read somewhere that they didn't need their tail to transform into Golden Oozaru, but 1. It is true that golden Oozaru is not needed when SSJ4 as the power is already there. 2. Power isn't lost when a saiyan's tail is cut off. If this was so, then Vegeta would hav killed Goku, when they 1st met. 3. SuperSaiyan seems to kno alot about this, and so far everything he has said is right so I think we can end this discussion now as phoenixflames said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*-- RagnaroK--* Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 In a sayins lifetime i heard they can only go oozaru once because their tales go when they turn back to normal. So answer this is it better to go SSJ4, or to go golden oozaru, or am i talking mumble jumble. lol !!! :D ps, Why doesnt super sayin 3 have any eyebrows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by *-- RagnaroK--* [/i] [B]In a sayins lifetime i heard they can only go oozaru once because their tales go when they turn back to normal. So answer this is it better to go SSJ4, or to go golden oozaru, or am i talking mumble jumble. lol !!! :D ps, Why doesnt super sayin 3 have any eyebrows? [/B][/QUOTE] a saiyajin can transform into their ape form as many times as they want, providing there is a full moon or something similar that emmits the same ray of light, and they must also have their tails intact.... ssj4 is a compressed form of golden oozaru, meaning that they will not need to go into their apeform as they will already have the power as ssj4.... super saiyajin 3's have no eyebrows because Akira Toriyama said so :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*-- RagnaroK--* Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 OK then so basically SSJ4 is more of a convinient oozaru. It doesnt need light totransform, it is smaller, and it looks cooler, lol. Oh, and Sephiroth, there is a big difference between the dragonball world and ours! Akira Toryama doesnt exist there does he!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted May 17, 2002 Share Posted May 17, 2002 the no eyebrow thing is to make him look less mercyful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*-- RagnaroK--* Posted May 18, 2002 Share Posted May 18, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ssj3 [/i] [B]the no eyebrow thing is to make him look less mercyful [/B][/QUOTE] I guess that answered my question, how do you know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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