Censorship ok????

[Guest Fly-T]

[B]Do you think censorship on Music a good idea?? I was thinkn I have a story A kid wanted a D-12(Devuls Night) Cd Cuz he liked the Edited Purple Pills Song.....His momma bought hte cd and when they listened to it He discovered it had Ditry wordz and that it was purple pills w/ a bunch of dirty stuff... So he got a big ole' bootay whoopin and no privileges all cuz he thought the song was not so dirty...so censorship necesasary?[/B]

[Geist]

Hey, Im a newbie so I'm not sure if I can do this, but welcome to the board :wave:. I think editing is fine, although I don't see why kids' moms don't get more info on a music CD before buying it.

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]I hate music censoring -.-

Its music. Its takes someones time and emotions to write a song, and a band to perform it. Why do we have to censor something that took so much to make, and might mean alot to someone out there? I dont care about the kids. Its the parents responseibility to watch what they're getting. Kids learn eventually all the words, phrases, and the common knowledge about other things. Why should we have to censor things just because Adults are paranoid about what their kids hear? Its music. Music is for you to chill to, jam to, cry with, sing with. Music can be pure emotion. It isnt there to be chopped up like some kind of meat. Its there for you to listen to, unedited and to its full, because that is what music is all about.

-Ken[/color]

[Transtic Nerve]

No, there's no reasonm for censorship in music you buy. You spend your money, you should know what you get. As far as I'm concerned, it's his mother's fault if the kid didn't know any better. Anything with the F word in it DOES has a parental Warning on the cover. It's not m fault this stupid mother can't read it.

Censorship doesn't need to be present anywhere... it doesn't do anything... our society leads us to believe that it "corrupts our children" but that's simply a myth caused by bad parents needing a scapegoat. In Japan, there is little censorship in music and on TV and their kids grow up 10 times smarter and 10 times richer than American children...

It's a paren't responcibility to raise their children. If they want to be parents, they have to take everything that comes with it. It's not the government's job to tell parents, children, and other people whats "suitable" for TV and music... thats the parent's job. If they can't do it, they shouldn't be having kids in the first place. If they can't teach their kids that 99% of whats on TV is fantasy, they it's their fault their kids grow up stupid or whatever... if they can't teach that whatever lyrics are heard in music is not always reality and that they shouldn't "get with some bitches" or "shoot up" someone, then it's their fault their child ends up killing someone or having children when their 14... It's no one elses... and until American society will stop being the selfish ignrant a$ses they are, this will continue and more stupid people will be raised here.

[SSJ Gotenks ok]

I agree i think censoring is real stupid it's your money u should be able to buy whatever u want.And the d-12 cd is off tha hook!!!!

[~Mystical Pan~]

I totally agree with DK and TN. It's up to the parents. The parents tend to blame the entertainment for their own shortcomings on teaching their child what?s right and wrong or real and fake. They point the finger but rarely do they take the time to look at themselves. Rarely do they sit with their child to see what they are looking at them, and much rarely do they even explain what?s going in. The entertainment industry explicitly warns the viewer/listener of what they?re buying. Take for example movies. They have ratings to inform the public what they?re going to see. Same with music, it warns the listener of material, whether it?s several bad words or on subjects which would be unsuitable for a child. What more are we to ask for? Hell, there are many things which the parents should be grateful for. Take for another example. What if the playboy channels were on regular TV?! Are the parents going to blame the entertainment business? They shouldn?t since they should monitor what their children watch. Luckily, it?s on cable/satellite, where the PARENT has to order that channel specifically to see that. Censorship is a bunch of bull. Not only does is it useless, it covers the real truth out there.

Even if the child does not listen to a song with bad words or a movie with LOTS of bad words, he/she is more likely to pick it up on the street, in school, and even their own home. In the end, they?ll learn it either way, so it?s better to get t over and have the parents explain to their child. Have a REAL conversation, not some half you-know-what conversation with them. Because if they don?t, the child will be bound, to get the information form somewhere else (friends, some other grown up, TV, net, etc) and it might not be accurate info. If you think about it, it?s extremely scary what is out there to find (false and true), especially for a kid who has no one to turn to.

[Spikey]

No, I think there should be no such thing. I meen, why couldn't they sing with out the badwords. But I don't think that they should have a censord, and an uncensord Cd. It is just stupid. If there going to have a censord one, why not just be a "good" band? You know? For instance, POD.

I can understand if they do have 1 o 2 cuss words, but Limp Bizkit had about 100 cuss words in one song. That's just plain horrible. Now I know some of you think I am just plain weird, yes I am. But that is what my mom syas. I'm gonna be getting a stained "censord" CD here soon.

I do have a censord CD. Puddle of Mudd. It still has cuus words. I am a little ticked at the time, but I WAS in a good mood. But hey, we all get ticked. But there is my theory on censord.

[James]

[color=royalblue]It's the same for movies/games as it is for music.

You can't censor stuff like that. It goes against everything a free society stands for.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Or at least, put age restrictions on purchasing music.

The parent has no excuse. She should have noticed the warning label and such...I mean, all this is doing is demonstrating her slackness.[/color]

[Guest Matt]

[color=red][b]Censorship is really dumb. If your parents don't want you to look at something or listen to something, then they should not let u get it. But it should be ur desision.(sp?)[/b][/color]

[Ryan]

What I have been noticing is most of you are going on the side with the mother/father not reading the warning etc...

Well, that isn't the case sometimes. A lot of people I know buy uncensored cds without the concent of the parents. So don't give full blame to the parents, because it isn't their fault all of the time.
And possibly some cd stores near you put an age restriction, but where I live there is no such thing. I am 12 for those that don't know and I could go buy an uncensored, very bad cd by my self without the workers even caring.

And one more side, I have purchased a cd that [b]didn't[/b] have a warning label on it. Without me knowing I bought the cd and went home and listened to it and noticed it had cuss words. There is another problem, sometimes labels don't get on the cd on accident. And I know some of you are probably saying, "What are the chances of that happening a lot." But it did hapeen to me. And another you may be asking, "Well didn't you know what was on the cd before you bought it?" The answer is yes, I bought the cd for a song that did not contain and swearing, offensive material, yet other songs that I weren't out yet did have that kind of material. So there is another side to it right there.

Just wanted to point out that it isn't the parents fault all the time.

As for if I am for the uncensored or not, being the major christian that I am (no offense to other religous people on the boards) I do not like the bad things that people have to say. I do understang that people have different opinions and thought over different people, religions etc. and they have a right to their opinion and I don't have a problem with that, however, I don't feel it is necessary for them to have to make it known through cds which others listen to. Now a few bad words aren't bad just as long as they aren't directly toward someone or a group. Now offensive material towards a country, a group, a religion etc. is just wrong. I believe that god created everyone and everything on this earth, yes we all have differences, and that is something that we will have to live with forever.

Say you have something against Islam people since 9/11. Even if you see an innocent American that happens to be Islam walking down the street, you don't like him, because he is different. Well if you aren't smart enough to notice, your best friend of the same sex, race, religion, and color is totally different from you as well. You may have more things in common then you do with the Islam, yet you are still different. Everything is different, you are unique and there will never be anyone else on earth like you. I just don't see why people ignore this and think it is ok to go pounding people they don't know.

And the other is death, satanism. Yes I know there are people in this world that are like this and there is nothing that I can do about it, but society is becoming worse, and part of the problem [b]may[/b] be the music that they listen to. People [b]think[/b] that the reason for the Columbine shootings was Marilyn Manson music. There is no fact that this is true, but it is a possibility. And songs about comiting suicide is even worse. Encouraging people to comit suicide, is so revolting I can't even put it into words. Revolting is kind compared to what I think about it.

Yes, I know there is more than this and not everyone in the music business out there is like this, but this is just a few major points of mine I wanted to bring out. Now I know some people like to listen to this stuff, and I know there is nothing I can do about it but express my thoughts, beliefs, and opinions on the subject. I think that is about it for right now. If you wish to compliment or comment on this please feel free to, I am very open to others thoughts on what I have to say.

Thank you,
Ryan

[Chaos]

Once again, I fully agree with Ken, Chris, and James. I've always said "Kids are gonna here that crap eventually, so why delay the enevitible?"

I back what I say 150%. The same with schools. Uniforms and all. Sucks........ It's all a form of self-expression. I say down with ALL censorship.

In any case, yes, I back James on the statement that it was the mother's fault. Thank God my mom let's me have my own music, and she understands that I have my own taste of music. Mostly because she get's the radio in the car (I ALWAYS have my CD player and the IOWA CD...:toothy: ).

But in another matter, how old was this kid?

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by \¤~NoodleZ~¤/ [/i]
[B]What I have been noticing is most of you are going on the side with the mother/father not reading the warning etc...

Well, that isn't the case sometimes. A lot of people I know buy uncensored cds without the concent of the parents. So don't give full blame to the parents, because it isn't their fault all of the time.
And possibly some cd stores near you put an age restriction, but where I live there is no such thing. I am 12 for those that don't know and I could go buy an uncensored, very bad cd by my self without the workers even caring.[/b] [/quote]

[color=royalblue]And there are a couple of major problems right there.

First, your parents have the [i]responsibility[/i] to know what kind of content you are accessing (especially if you're in a Christian family, as you pointed out).

Moreover, retailers also have a major responsibility.

Sometimes parents [i]don't[/i] know what their kids are buying. And in those circumstances, it's up to the retailer to restrict young kids from purchasing materials which aren't suitable for their age.[/color][QUOTE][B]

And the other is death, satanism. Yes I know there are people in this world that are like this and there is nothing that I can do about it, but society is becoming worse, and part of the problem [b]may[/b] be the music that they listen to. People [b]think[/b] that the reason for the Columbine shootings was Marilyn Manson music. There is no fact that this is true, but it is a possibility. And songs about comiting suicide is even worse. Encouraging people to comit suicide, is so revolting I can't even put it into words. Revolting is kind compared to what I think about it. [/b][/QUOTE][color=royalblue]

Okay, firstly, you don't understand what Satanism is. Satanism is not actually an evil religion. Most people assume that because it has the word "Satan" in it, it's evil.

That isn't the case. But I'm not going to debate that particular religion at this moment.

As for the high school shootings and whatnot, there is no possibility whatsoever that music or anything else "influenced" these kids to do what they did.

If they weren't listening to violent music to get their kicks, they'd play a violent game, watch a violent movie or read a violent book.

The fact is, these materials are not the catalyst for such behavior -- they are the [i]symptom[/i] of behaviors and thoughts of this nature.[/color]

[Ryan]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]
[B]

[color=royalblue]

Moreover, retailers also have a major responsibility.

Sometimes parents [i]don't[/i] know what their kids are buying. And in those circumstances, it's up to the retailer to restrict young kids from purchasing materials which aren't suitable for their age.[/color][color=royalblue]
[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

I know that, and like I said that, they don't have any restrictions were I live and that is a problem. I couldn't agree with you more, there has to be something done about this.

[Chaos]

I back up with what James said about music's so-called "influence".

Music does NOT force you to go out and shoot students. I have never seen a CD make a person pick up a Baretta and blow away the school bully.

With that said, games do not affect kids as well. There is a definate line between real life and a game. People understand that. That's why I love the GTA games. I can do everything I feel like doing, and not have anyone truely hurt...

And for the thing about music? Guess what? Some people LIKE music in which it tells about life (suicide, murder, etc., etc.), because they can relate to the feelings. I know. I do. that's why I love SlipKnot so much.

People = Shi*
My Plague
Everything Ends
Me Inside
Tattered and Torn

Don't get me started on how music helps RELIEVE strees, ok? Then I'll be talking all night.....-_-;;;

[DeathKnight]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by \¤~NoodleZ~¤/ [/i]
[B]And the other is death, satanism. Yes I know there are people in this world that are like this and there is nothing that I can do [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson]Excuse me? I'm a satanist. -.- [/color]

[quote]and part of the problem may be the music that they listen to.[/quote]

[color=crimson]I pick what I want, My music does NOT have anything to do with what I do. You need to stop thinking like a christian, and think more like a rational human... You cant put the blame on things like Music/Games/Movies. You have to put the blame on the people, they have the choice to do the things they do, and by god they will do them if they want. Music is there for entertainment, as are games. They arent made to make serial killers and terrorists, so stop it with the crud...

-Ken[/color]

[goddess21]

[color=orange][B]I know all of you have probably already stated this in your arguements... but I think that censorship is not cool at all! Who cares about swear words?? They are just words... it is not a big deal to have them in movies and songs. Even if parents do not want kids to hear them, the kids are going to hear them anyway by some other source. Parents should inform their kids so the kids know what is going on and how people express themselves in the "real" world. [/B][/color]

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DeathKnight [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson]Excuse me? I'm a satanist. -.- [/color]




-Ken[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=royalblue]How can you be a Satanist? You believe in God, don't you?

If you're unsure about what Satanism actually is, I urge you to visit the online home of [url=http://www.churchofsatan.com]the Church of Satan[/url].

And no, it's not about worshipping Satan himself...I urge you to read the High Priestess' comments. If you read what she says, you'll fully understand what it's about.

I found it very interesting...if I became religious, I would probably be a Satanist (also known as "humanist" in some circles).

Anyway, that's a bit beside the point.

I've pretty much provided my opinion on the whole censorship issue...when you look at censorship throughout the ages (and even today in countries like China), it's really just a way of one group of society telling another how to live.

And it's ridiculous.

It's like when John Ashcroft covered up that naked statue where he went to give a lecture...I mean, how much more backward can you get? It's really annoying...[/color]

[Fall]

I've never really taken much notice of any censorship in the songs I listen to. All it does is put a long "beep" in it, and then the rest of the song is fine (well the songs I listen to it is...)

Though if a song has a whole heap of swear/dirty words in it, I don't think they should censor it, because [i]then[/i] that would ruin the song....

[Ryan]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]
[B]

[color=royalblue]How can you be a Satanist? You believe in God, don't you?

[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

That is what I was fixing to post up. At first he said he was a satanist, then he said he was christian and believe in god. I don't understand...:confused:

[Lady Macaiodh]

[COLOR=darkblue]i don't agree w/ censorship at all, but a lot of stuff coming out these days is just for shock value & has no real musical purpose at all. it's just meant to make money. but i guess if people want to flush their money down the toilet, it's their business. there's a lot of tasteless crap out there, though.[/COLOR]

[Sara]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DeathKnight [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson]You need to stop thinking like a christian, and think more like a rational human... [/color] [/B][/QUOTE]The two are not mutually exclusive...

Eh, anyway.

Censorship is ridiculous.

[Guest Fly-T]

like all you other ppl i dont like censorship as much neither.
My momma doesnt like me sein porn or sexy related matters or stuff like that but a few dirty dirty wordz is coo w/ her cepy Pu*-E
and D-*k
AMd Gotenks that D-12 CD IS OFF DA HOOK
I like
apsa,Shi* can happen,Purple Pills,Fight Music
Instigator, Blow my buzz, Steve Berman (skit)
Girls, & pimp like me