Transtic Nerve Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Most of us live in America... or Canada... either way, it's basically the same... for the amount of people who live in Europe and Asia/Australia... you are very fortunant.... America is SO behind on it's music. In fact, the closest we got to be in turn with the rest of the world was during the 80s... when 90% of our stars were British.... but other than that, we are always the last to hit a music trend... And most of the time it's American bands to start a trend... however it takes years for it to reach America.... Take boybands/pop stars trend that is going on now... You do know The Backstreet Boys were VERY famous in Europe long before they even had radio play in the US. Now look at them... they have this following of boybands like N*SYNC, 98 Degrees and whatever else.... Rock music... didn't happen tillthe beatles came here.... the most popular band in Europe for many years before America even knew what rock was.... Probably the only form of music that America is always on top of is African America style of music. Like back in the day it was Jazz style of music. Even rock is based off African American styles of music. Now it's rap music. While rap is prominant in other countries, it's not so much popular and trend setting as it is here. But it stays here for the most part. Although the Japanese tend to enjoy quite a bit of it.... Now America has yet to hit the "techno trend" as I like to call it. Only recently have songs started to get airplay.... It's probably been some of the biggest style of music in the rest of the WORLD and has yet to barely been heard here. I just find it odd that the largest producer in the world is always the last to get into many styles of music... perhaps we are so stuck up on stupid trends and never allow any new things to penetrate till we realize how popular it is to the rest of the world... It's pathetic really.... American entertainment and music industry need stop being trnedy little pions and start a trend for once instead of being the last in line of the followers, who have by that time, moved on to more useful things.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Imsirion Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i] [B] I just find it odd that the largest producer in the world is always the last to get into many styles of music... perhaps we are so stuck up on stupid trends and never allow any new things to penetrate till we realize how popular it is to the rest of the world... It's pathetic really.... American entertainment and music industry need stop being trnedy little pions and start a trend for once instead of being the last in line of the followers, who have by that time, moved on to more useful things.... [/B][/QUOTE] I agree, new and better music has to start or at least get here;I dont really even listen to newer music. Whenever somebody asks what kind of music I listen to, I say,"I like 60's, some 80's rock, I love Micheal (sp?) Jackson, also techno, sound tracks from video games and animes, and Christan rock." Lets just say i get some weird looks:drunk: :therock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 [color=royalblue]It's interesting what you mention about techno. Techno has been big for so many years in Europe and Australia -- infact, the whole "rave culture" started right here in Australia (which I found very interesting, I always thought it'd started in Europe). America certainly has yet to fully embrace electronic music in a popular way. All you have to do is look at the Aussie charts -- in our top five, we usually have at least two techno/electronic songs. And quite regularly, there is an electronic music single as the number one song. I am personally glad that music here is so diverse...but certainly, in the USA, music is becoming more open all the time...it's only a matter of time before USA has its own techno revolution. :)[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicoTranzrig Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Chrisitan rock is good...but lately, the only things that have been catching my ear on the radio that's remotely American is heavy metal, but now that Korn influenced a lot how that's played, it sounds a lot like rap as well. Even the current rap recordings are starting to reek... I think that the only music form that's worthy of being called "American" is good old Jazz, which is pretty much the root of the entire R&B, Hip-hop culture. But even Sting has capitalized on that form. The So-called "techno-trend" was around two years ago. One of the favored radio stations in my area had it playing in the morning and at night with hip-hop in the afternoons...then everyone considered techno repetitive and thus stripped it off the air...I still miss good quality techno music...not the cheap happy-hardcore type... America is falling behind in music...playing the same old styles over and over again with new artists...maybe it's because too many people watch MTV, telling us what's good or not...let everyone decide what's good for themselves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccer 4 Life Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Lets hope this situation gets better especially for us.... but then again Canada is not known for the kind of music it produces and it's something most of us don't really focus on .... But lets hope things might be different in the future... :therock: :mrt: Peace!!:smirk: :demon: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted May 7, 2002 Author Share Posted May 7, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RicoTranzrig [/i] [B]The So-called "techno-trend" was around two years ago. One of the favored radio stations in my area had it playing in the morning and at night with hip-hop in the afternoons...then everyone considered techno repetitive and thus stripped it off the air...I still miss good quality techno music...not the cheap happy-hardcore type... [/B][/QUOTE] Techno trends haven't hit here... They've been played somewhat, but not like they have in the rest of the world. As James said, it's HUGE in Aussie-ville and in most of Europe.. I'm sure you've heard of Europop... which hasn't been heard here at all for the most part. The closest we got to Europop was Blue by Eiffel 65 lol. For the most part, famous DJs have yet gotten their 15 minutes of fame in the US... DJs like BT, Paul Oakenfold, Paul van Dyk, Sasha, etc... While these artists play regularly in the US, they are simply not known with the majority of the musical ears in the US. If you asked anyone in Europe who Paul Oakenfold is, I almost guarantee they could tell you... when you ask people here... I guess about 3/10 could tell you. The fact is that boybands and rap music is losing it's trend, but too slowly... but being replaced with more pop singers... 4 of the top 5 albums right now are pop albums... I suppose Sheryl Crow is Alternative, but she's still pop in some ways... That pop/R&B beat music is our trend that won't go away.... Sure, the rest of the world has trends, but, take Japan for example, they just aren't so overwhelming... Last week and Indies band was the top of the charts... INDIES.... below that were some pop bands/singers, then globe (who does a mix of europop/trance music) then more rock and pop... There's a more variance in Japanese charts than in US charts, which are always DOMINATED by pop hits.... Another thing about other countries is that they can keep their intrest longer than Americans can. As far as one group/singer goes.... It's not so many one hit wonders like in the US, who has this strong reputation for that.... People move on to quick to more artists in the same genre, which doesn't help to get over a trend because it just created more and more.... thats why we have 8,000 boy bands.... thats why we have so many pop singers that all sound the same.... How many people you know who sound like NSYNC or Britney?... exactly... it's alot... too damn many.... Oh well... until America learns to catch up, I'll just continue not supporting music here that is trendy and overall crappy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 The problem with America's music isn't about being current or trendy, but that it all sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fall Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 now that you mention this, it's given me something to think about.... it's interesting to me to see that all these [i]very[/i] popular songs here in australia, aren't popular over in america.... :drunk: very interesting.... and yeah, most of the popular songs here are by american bands aswell.... backstreet boys are one of my favourite bands apart from Creed, and they've had loads of songs here that have been popular... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted May 7, 2002 Author Share Posted May 7, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i] [B]The problem with America's music isn't about being current or trendy, but that it all sucks. [/B][/QUOTE] Well, the Japanese don't seem to mind some of it... In fact, as I'm sure you know, they love alot of American music.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geist Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 I try not to be too trendy, (at least I think I do, is Phish trendy?) But I've only started to get into techno. My cousin, (Who's from the USA like I am.) is visiting Romania and he says techno is pretty big there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 kouberei, phish is the best, or was. i dropped of after parking lots became the place to be and extasy was the drug of choice. the whole scene went to crap right about '98. i loved them, truly loved them, but its almost gone now. the band lost their drive. my advice to you, spend as much time as you can listening to the dead. people may try to compare the two, but, you can only do that if you realize that phish is just flat out not as good. grateful dead rule. also. even more important is the blue grass jerry did. trust me. and as for the trendy thing with america, i would have to agree and disagree. though america is behind it seems.(sometimes) truth is that the rest of the world still love mike jackson and the movies in america from the 80/90's are the big thing everywhere else. get out of the country and you will find that the movie theatres across the world are still showing stuff like the batman movies. trend come and go, but who you are should always stay the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven's Cloud Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 [color=indigo] I definatly agree that countries such as Austrailia, the UK, and even Japan tend to find the latest trends in music before America does. They also have a much bigger electronica/techno following then America does (I am not a fan of either, so it really doesn't bother me, but I do know that fans of the music tend to pay high prices for CD's because they are hard to find here). Right now the US has an incredible underground rock scene though...and it is slowly pushing it's way into the mainstream. The more mixed rock singers (I'd like to say "less talented" but that wouldn't be nice) like Pete Yorn (whose so so) and Jay Farrar (incredible) are pushing there way to the mainstream. Just give it a few years...America always has some down time (like the disco era in the late seventies and the super hair bands in the late eighties) but we always bounce back with originality (the punk movement and the grunge movement). Plus, music shouldn't be labeled to countries or be considered derived from certian countries, it should be considered universal. And, unfortunatly, I think everyone would agree the universally mainstream music bites right now.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 [quote]Sure, the rest of the world has trends, but, take Japan for example, they just aren't so overwhelming... Last week and Indies band was the top of the charts... INDIES.... below that were some pop bands/singers, then globe (who does a mix of europop/trance music) then more rock and pop... There's a more variance in Japanese charts than in US charts, which are always DOMINATED by pop hits.... [/quote] Yeah, that always gets on my nerves: The top 5 of Billboard is 95% pop mostly, it's so ridiculous. It's like a lot of people don't know any better, they just take what's in front of them and assume that it's the best out there. Not enough people take the gumption to find things out for themselves; they'd rather just follow the leader and have the same cd collection as their next door neighbor. Pathetic..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 [color=indigo]:nervous: I don't think I've seen any form of the word "trend" used so much in one topic before. :nervous: Anyway, I do agree that, in general, America's music scene is very pathetic. I say that in general, because there are certain parts of this country that have a fairly big music industry in them. Omaha, is becoming one of these places and we're talking about actual music not that pop hippie crap. Although you still don't see a lot of people talking about music from other countries or anything. Though, I was at a concert not too long ago, maybe a month-ish, and there was a band from Australia there. I thought they were awesome, though James doesn't seem to think so :P lol. The band is Frenzal Rhomb if anybody cares to know. As for techno, I don't really dig techno too much. I don't really know why exactly, it just doesn't do anything for me. Not too mention the whole rave culture that you can tie certain drugs into as well, so I'm not really for that. But I don't mind it, it's not like I don't want it here. When I was young I never listened to the radio too much, because I didn't really know what music was at all. I experimented with the different types of music for a while, so yes, I have been through pop, rap, jazz, classical, but fortunately those dark ages are over. I would very much listen to music from other countires and such, [i]IF[/i] I could get it here. I'm not really for buying things online so I'm pretty much screwed in the department. Though think of it like this. Many American bands/groups/whatever have gone and toured in other countries, but rarely now days do I hear that a band from another country is coming here to tour. I mean, they don't really have to be the headlining band, but just like, open for another band or whatnot. When we here in Omaha get more well known bands to come and play at our all age venues, they people who line up the show always throw in a local band as an opening band so people can get a taste of the local music scene if they don't already know about it. So I think maybe having "foreign" bands come and play with American bands here in [i]America[/i] might help bring down this barrier the U.S. seems have blocking out other cultures of music. I'm not blaming the other countries for not coming here, so don't get me wrong. I'm just saying you don't really see that now days. I'm not sure if anything of what I just said made sense. I just kind of think while I type :drunk:[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueGender Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 The thing I do not like about American Music is that their are to many one hit wonders and people do not really follow bands as much as they used to. They get a CD for one song which is played on MTV and advertised on MTV all the time and they only listen to it once. The thing I do is the diversity on radio now you can turn on a staion and listen to Daft Punk and then D12 vwill come on and no body really cares that the styles of music are totly different as long as ther music sounds good their digging it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9mm Avenger Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 *sigh* America is so far behind in music....And the 'Techno Trend'? Bleh! bleh bleh bleh! I hate Techno. Which brings me to the next thing. America is has such poor quality music...(Eminem...Slim Shady...Marshal Mathers[whatever] Dr.Dre, Snoop Dog)Are all bad examples of music. They don't play thier own instruments, have poor singing voices, and their vocabulary consists of all the words no decent person would say. Shock sells. I hate rap, too. Rarely, some good bands make it out of the sess-pool of American music. Green Day...Um...Sum 41, Swollen Members are Canadian(not Green Day)but anyways. We have out own type of music, and burning a country about it's choices don't do any good. Do what I do. Don't listen to the radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Majora's Mask [/i] [B]Rarely, some good bands make it out of the sess-pool of American music. Green Day...Um...Sum 41, Swollen Members are Canadian(not Green Day)but anyways. We have out own type of music, and burning a country about it's choices don't do any good. Do what I do. Don't listen to the radio.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]My favorite band from Canada is Finger Eleven :p Previously known as Rainbow Butt Monkeys, lol. In fact, I even semi-know James Black, their guitarist. Some of my friends met the band when they came here in concert about a year or so ago at a local venue and he gave them his AIM screen name, then later told him to IM me. He is kind of an ***, but he can be pretty cool once you get on a subject you can both relate to. I could tell you his little "pet name" for me but I don't think the people on the boards would take nicely to it, lol.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven's Cloud Posted May 8, 2002 Share Posted May 8, 2002 [color=indigo][quote]Dr.Dre, Snoop Dog Are all bad examples of music.[/quote] Oh, come on now, these are pioneers of an industry...it doesn't matter if you like them or not (personally I don't care too much for most rap) but both are incredible artists...and both have brought at least as much to the music industry as Sum41 (who I DO like) and Greenday (ahh catchy, but it is about time they learned how to play there friggin instruments). [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 8, 2002 Share Posted May 8, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i] [B][color=indigo] Oh, come on now, these are pioneers of an industry...it doesn't matter if you like them or not (personally I don't care too much for most rap) but both are incredible artists...and both have brought at least as much to the music industry as Sum41 (who I DO like) and Greenday (ahh catchy, but it is about time they learned how to play there friggin instruments). [/color] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]Hm, I wouldn't agree. I think Snoop Dog is one of the most un-talented artists on the Earth, perhaps only being eclipsed by P. Diddy. lol These people capitalize on an image so much...their music just has no sense of flair or uniqueness. As far as techno goes, people must remember that techno is perhaps the widest-ranging form of music. And infact, you probably like techno and don't even know it -- most modern rock bands utilize a wide range of electronics (No Doubt mostly uses drum machines these days) in order to produce specific sounds/distortions. This would not be included directly in the genre of electronic music, but I would say that electronic music has a bigger influence on the music world than any other form of sound. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted May 8, 2002 Share Posted May 8, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i] [B]most modern rock bands utilize a wide range of electronics (No Doubt mostly uses drum machines these days) in order to produce specific sounds/distortions. [/B][/QUOTE] I must quote Cameron of Glam Japan - "GET A DRUMMER.. YOU SOUND BAD!" That about sums up my opinion on bands who use drum machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 8, 2002 Share Posted May 8, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i] [B] I must quote Cameron of Glam Japan - "GET A DRUMMER.. YOU SOUND BAD!" That about sums up my opinion on bands who use drum machines. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]You might be surprised at how many bands use electronic-based drums and accessories. :) Synthetic drums can often sound much better -- I find that regular drums often sound hollow and gutless, whereas enhanced synthetic drums tend to have a wider range of sound capability. Having said that, I was also broadly referring to everything from electric guitar to electronic distortion -- electronics are becoming the core of new music creation in this century, thanks largely to huge advancements in computers and other related technologies.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted May 8, 2002 Share Posted May 8, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i] [B]You might be surprised at how many bands use electronic-based drums and accessories. :) [/B][/QUOTE] No, I wouldn't, my bands just don't swing like that. Except a few songs here and there, in which they do use electric drums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 8, 2002 Share Posted May 8, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i] [B] No, I wouldn't, my bands just don't swing like that. Except a few songs here and there, in which they do use electric drums. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]Oh of course, it entirely depends on which bands you're listening to. :)[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted May 8, 2002 Author Share Posted May 8, 2002 I can't honestly think of any "non-techno/pop" band that uses electronic drums... For me, electronic drums don't really do it for me unless it's in Trance music or something.. I suppose it has something to do with what type of music the group is playing... if it's rock music, I tend to want a strong beat that isn't so prominant, but can still be heard.... electronic beats tend to be more prominant and don't vary in sound... in real drumming,y ou can hear the variances in sound, which i guess kinda adds to the overall real sound they produce as to someone who producers a created sound using electronics.... electronic drum beats are good, in lets say pop or trance music, but as far as rock goes, I tend to want a real drummer... Speaking of people who need drummers.... GLAY, well they need to make their drummer an official member and stop hogging the spot light.... inf act, they need to put Teru ack on drums where he can't sing and make songs that have the potential to be good, suck.... an Porno Graffitti could use a real drummer... I'm not sure if they use electronic beats in studio music, however I do know they use a real drummer, as well as bass instrument players, in their live shows.... Laruku needs their old drummer back... stupid Yuki.... and ZIGZO sucks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 8, 2002 Share Posted May 8, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i] [B]I can't honestly think of any "non-techno/pop" band that uses electronic drums... For me, electronic drums don't really do it for me unless it's in Trance music or something.. I suppose it has something to do with what type of music the group is playing... if it's rock music, I tend to want a strong beat that isn't so prominant, but can still be heard.... electronic beats tend to be more prominant and don't vary in sound... in real drumming,y ou can hear the variances in sound, which i guess kinda adds to the overall real sound they produce as to someone who producers a created sound using electronics.... electronic drum beats are good, in lets say pop or trance music, but as far as rock goes, I tend to want a real drummer... [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]The thing about synthetic drums, is that they can sound however the artist wants, thanks to new technology. They can have greater variance than a regular drum could ever have. In addition, they can sound exactly like regular drums, so the listener can't tell the difference. This happens with quite a lot of music -- I've seen several interviews where it's been mentioned, which interested me, as I had previously thought the difference was easily defined. In any case, even a real drummer is used...most rock music today is so laced with electronics, that it kind of becomes irrelevant...electronics have unquestionably become a major part of all forms of music.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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