Anime A few DBZ questions and one GT question

[Guest Chris]

when did trunks ssj2 fight cell?

i still stand with freiza being the toughest.

[*-- RagnaroK--*]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ssj3 [/i]
[B]when did trunks ssj2 fight cell?
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Trunks ssj2 fought cell just before the cell games.

RECAP: Trunks was complaining that he couldnt catch cell, this was because when ssj2 your power increases dramatically, whereas your speed decrease. After trunks failing to defeat cell he surrenderred himself. Although cell didnt accept it, he thought that hed have a better idea...THE CELL GAMES. Cell told trunks to gather the strongest of the strongest to come and take part in the event in 9 days, and then he went off to build a stadium.

Happy now?

[PiroMunkie]

[color=indigo]RagnaroK... you're on crack.. lol. Trunks (neither Marai or Chibi) attains the level of Super Saiya-jin 2.

[i]Factual[/i] Recap: Super Saiya-jin level 2 is level beyond that of a normal Super Saiya-jin where strength is increased without losing speed, plus gaining speed ;)

Trunks was fighting Cell at the level of an Ultra Super Saiya-jin, not Super Saiya-jin 2. Ultra Super Saiya-jin is the level where you strength increases dramatically and your speed drops.

Wow... I though just about [i]everyone[/i] knew that.. :rolleyes: Tsk tsk tsk..[/color]

[Guest Chris]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i]
[B][color=indigo]RagnaroK... you're on crack.. lol. Trunks (neither Marai or Chibi) attains the level of Super Saiya-jin 2.

[i]Factual[/i] Recap: Super Saiya-jin level 2 is level beyond that of a normal Super Saiya-jin where strength is increased without losing speed, plus gaining speed ;)

Trunks was fighting Cell at the level of an Ultra Super Saiya-jin, not Super Saiya-jin 2. Ultra Super Saiya-jin is the level where you strength increases dramatically and your speed drops.

Wow... I though just about [i]everyone[/i] knew that.. :rolleyes: Tsk tsk tsk..[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]
what is with people saying people are on crack when ever they get some thing wrong? he was probably just confused. that's no reson to say he's on crack.

[size=1][color=indigo]-_- It is just a modern expression. Not to be taken seriously. I was merely pointing that he wasn't thinking right (which is what drugs will do to a person). It is just a metaphor type thing.[/color][/size]

[*-- RagnaroK--*]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i]
[B][color=indigo]RagnaroK... you're on crack.. lol. Trunks (neither Marai or Chibi) attains the level of Super Saiya-jin 2.
[i]
Trunks was fighting Cell at the level of an Ultra Super Saiya-jin, not Super Saiya-jin 2. Ultra Super Saiya-jin is the level where you strength increases dramatically and your speed drops.

Wow... I though just about [i]everyone[/i] knew that.. :rolleyes: Tsk tsk tsk..[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

Wait a minute..... arent ssj2 and ussj the same thing, im sure they are, but heck, i havent seen any movies at all, so i guess ill just have to trust you on this one!!

Oh and ssj3, thanx for the back up :)

ps- what the heck has marai and chibi got to with anything, were talking about trunks and cell.

[Guest Chris]

marai trunks is future trunks and chibi trunks is little trunks. but i think i might have seen ssj2 marai trunks in a brolly movie?

[Chaos]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crazy White Boy [/i]
[B]

I have to disagree. As you said, Brolli's power is equivelent to or greater than that of a SSJ2. Seeing as how Gohan had his problems with Brolli, I'd say that the speed wouldn't hurt him much in his fight with Cell. :p [/B][/QUOTE]


Plus, as we see in the movies, Brolli's status as USSJ doesn't affect his speed, because he doesn't push ALL his power into brute strength...



[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ssj3 [/i]
[B]marai trunks is future trunks and chibi trunks is little trunks. but i think i might have seen ssj2 marai trunks in a brolly movie? [/B][/QUOTE]



No, that was Ascended Saiyan Trunks...




Remember people, Brolli's size does NOT affect him, as we see him match wits with SSJ2 Gohan...-.-

[Charles]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ssj3 [/i]
[B]marai trunks is future trunks and chibi trunks is little trunks. but i think i might have seen ssj2 marai trunks in a brolly movie? [/B][/QUOTE]

No, you didn't see SSJ2 Mirai no Trunks in a Brolli movie. Like PiroMunkie said, Trunks [I]never[/I] attains the level of SSJ2 in [B]any[/B] form. He mentioned both chibi and Mirai no Trunks to avoid confusion, but I guess it didn't work, lol.

The only Z fighters (non fused) to reach SSJ2 were Vegeta, Gokou and Gohan.

[*-- RagnaroK--*]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crazy White Boy [/i]
[B]

No, you didn't see SSJ2 Mirai no Trunks in a Brolli movie. Like PiroMunkie said, Trunks [I]never[/I] attains the level of SSJ2 in [B]any[/B] form. He mentioned both chibi and Mirai no Trunks to avoid confusion, but I guess it didn't work, lol.

The only Z fighters (non fused) to reach SSJ2 were Vegeta, Gokou and Gohan. [/B][/QUOTE]

But i remember clearly that goku sensed his power level, and said that trunks had ascended to the next level, also known as ssj2. Other than that it must have been ussj, whuch brolli becomes. Its all confusing if you ask me!

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[Sephiroth]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by *-- RagnaroK--* [/i]
[B]

But i remember clearly that goku sensed his power level, and said that trunks had ascended to the next level, also known as ssj2. Other than that it must have been ussj, whuch brolli becomes. Its all confusing if you ask me!

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he "ascended" to the next level of a normal super saiya-jin, turning ussj, ultimate super saiya-jin, which is a form of a ssj where their muscles become bulky and their power increases, but speed decreases, people who reach this are....

trunk
son gokou
vegita (well, kind of)

ssj2 is a completely different level altogether gained by son gohan, son gokou, and vegita, it increases strength and speed....

I would have thought you would know this ragnarok, tsk tsk, lol....

[Guest Chris]

man, you guys are smart. any way, i was asking if he went ssj2 in the movies thinking he might have over looked that. what is asended saiyan trunks?(man i feel stupid)

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ssj3 [/i]
[B]man, you guys are smart. any way, i was asking if he went ssj2 in the movies thinking he might have over looked that. what is asended saiyan trunks?(man i feel stupid)[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]Lol, okm [i]listen closely[/i]: [b]Trunks, in NO WAY, ever attains the level of Super Saiya-jin 2.[/b] That means, neither Marai no Trunks (aka Future Trunks) OR Chibi Trunks ever reaches that level at ANY time in the series.

Marai no Trunks only attains the following levels: Super Saiya-jin, and Ultra Super Saiya-jin.

Chibi Trunks attains only the following level (not fused): Super Saiya-jin

An "Ascended Saiya-jin" is the same thing as an Ultra Super Saiya-jin. "Ascended" is just America's way of saying it.

Just for common knowledge of everyone, I'll go through the Levels of Saiya-jins:

[b]Super Saiya-jin:[/b] Dramatic power increase, hair stands up (if not already) and turns a golden yellow and their eyes are green. The muscle mass increases but does not slow them down.
The (non-fused) Saiya-jins to attain this level are: Gokou, Vegeta, Brolli, Gohan, Marai and Chibi Trunks, and Goten

[b]Ultra Super Saiya-jin:[/b] Power increases a lot along with muscle mass which slows down the Saiya-jin making him less effective in battle. The hair stiffens and spikes out a bit more also. This level is also known as an [i]Ascended Saiya-jin[/i]. Saiya-jins that reach this level: Gokou, Trunks, Brolli, Vegeta*

[b]Super Saiya-jin 2:[/b] Like in any transformation, the power increases multiple times. The hair stands up a bit more, or if it is already up, it stands closer together. It also is more spikey. The muscle mass increases slightly from the Super Saiya-jin level, as well as the speed increases. The only Saiya-jins (non-fused) to reach this level are: Gokou, Vegeta, and Gohan

[b]Super Saiya-jin 3:[/b] This is the most powerful [u]normal[/u] Super Saiya-jin stage. In this stage the hair grows extremely long down to about the back of the knees, and the eyebrows disappear, pushing the eyebrow ridges out. The muscles grow bigger, but again do not effect the speed. The power level also increases dramatically as well. The only Saiya-jin to reach this level are: Gokou, Gotenks(fusion)

[b]Super Saiya-jin 4:[/b] This is agrued not to be a [i]true[/i] Super Saiya-jin level. In this level, a tail is needed to transform, and the tail is kept after the transformation. The Saiya-jins hair goes back to it original color and only changes a little bit as it grows slightly longer in the back down to about the middle of the back, and rests over the shoulders a bit. Red fur grows over the Saiya-jin's torso, but keeps the chest and most of the abdominals showing. The power increases dramatically and the muscles are equally as big, but speed is kept as always. Saiya-jins to reach this stage are: Gokou, Vegeta, Gojita(fusion)**


*Some people argue that Vegeta ddi in fact reach this level. This is technically false. He never pushed his power to his limit which is bascially what the level is about. Even Trunks says this when Cell reveals the limits of the Ultra Super Saiya-jin form.

**Gojita at the Super Saiya-jin 4 level appears slightly different. The difference is that has brown fur over his body and red hair.


Enjoy :)[/color]

[Guest Chris]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i]
[B][color=indigo]Lol, okm [i]listen closely[/i]: [b]Trunks, in NO WAY, ever attains the level of Super Saiya-jin 2.[/b] That means, neither Marai no Trunks (aka Future Trunks) OR Chibi Trunks ever reaches that level at ANY time in the series.

Marai no Trunks only attains the following levels: Super Saiya-jin, and Ultra Super Saiya-jin.

Chibi Trunks attains only the following level (not fused): Super Saiya-jin

An "Ascended Saiya-jin" is the same thing as an Ultra Super Saiya-jin. "Ascended" is just America's way of saying it.

Just for common knowledge of everyone, I'll go through the Levels of Saiya-jins:

[b]Super Saiya-jin:[/b] Dramatic power increase, hair stands up (if not already) and turns a golden yellow and their eyes are green. The muscle mass increases but does not slow them down.
The (non-fused) Saiya-jins to attain this level are: Gokou, Vegeta, Brolli, Gohan, Marai and Chibi Trunks, and Goten

[b]Ultra Super Saiya-jin:[/b] Power increases a lot along with muscle mass which slows down the Saiya-jin making him less effective in battle. The hair stiffens and spikes out a bit more also. This level is also known as an [i]Ascended Saiya-jin[/i]. Saiya-jins that reach this level: Gokou, Trunks, Brolli, Vegeta*

[b]Super Saiya-jin 2:[/b] Like in any transformation, the power increases multiple times. The hair stands up a bit more, or if it is already up, it stands closer together. It also is more spikey. The muscle mass increases slightly from the Super Saiya-jin level, as well as the speed increases. The only Saiya-jins (non-fused) to reach this level are: Gokou, Vegeta, and Gohan

[b]Super Saiya-jin 3:[/b] This is the most powerful [u]normal[/u] Super Saiya-jin stage. In this stage the hair grows extremely long down to about the back of the knees, and the eyebrows disappear, pushing the eyebrow ridges out. The muscles grow bigger, but again do not effect the speed. The power level also increases dramatically as well. The only Saiya-jin to reach this level are: Gokou, Gotenks(fusion)

[b]Super Saiya-jin 4:[/b] This is agrued not to be a [i]true[/i] Super Saiya-jin level. In this level, a tail is needed to transform, and the tail is kept after the transformation. The Saiya-jins hair goes back to it original color and only changes a little bit as it grows slightly longer in the back down to about the middle of the back, and rests over the shoulders a bit. Red fur grows over the Saiya-jin's torso, but keeps the chest and most of the abdominals showing. The power increases dramatically and the muscles are equally as big, but speed is kept as always. Saiya-jins to reach this stage are: Gokou, Vegeta, Gojita(fusion)**


*Some people argue that Vegeta ddi in fact reach this level. This is technically false. He never pushed his power to his limit which is bascially what the level is about. Even Trunks says this when Cell reveals the limits of the Ultra Super Saiya-jin form.

**Gojita at the Super Saiya-jin 4 level appears slightly different. The difference is that has brown fur over his body and red hair.


Enjoy :)[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

you for got
ultra ssj 2 (also known as stage two ssj) which is between ultra ssj and ssj2. attained by trunks

false ssj. weaker than ssj but stronger than kao ken. attained by goku in lord slug

legendary ssj. between ssj2 and ssj3. attained by brolly

if you want more info about these levels tell me so.

and i realize trunks never went ssj2 now.

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ssj3 [/i]
[B]you for got
ultra ssj 2 (also known as stage two ssj) which is between ultra ssj and ssj2. attained by trunks

false ssj. weaker than ssj but stronger than kao ken. attained by goku in lord slug

legendary ssj. between ssj2 and ssj3. attained by brolly

if you want more info about these levels tell me so.

and i realize trunks never went ssj2 now.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]You are high.

There is no such thing as Ultra SSJ2. It is just Ultra Super Saiya-jin like I said. Trunks is just the only one who pushed his power to its max. Gokou got there, But he didn't waste his energy getting it as high as he could. Vegeta didn't truly get there cause his speed was not affected. Brolli got there, but his speed wasn't affected cause he is "special".

There is no such thing as "False SSJ". Stop making things up. That was just a really pumped up Gokou in Lord Slug. No where credible, will you find information that says that was a 'false Super Saiya-jin' level. If [i]ANYTHING[/i] it would probably be called Ultra Saiya-jin, like USSJ but without being super. But it is not an actual level.

Legendary Super Saiya-jin is not a real level either. He is just Legendary because he was the first. Thus they make him "special" and more powerful. Not to mention it can not be between Super Saiya-jin 2 and Super Saiya-jin 3 when Brolli never even reaches Super Saiya-jin 2. Brolli is just "special".

That is the truth.[/color]

[Guest Chris]

if you look in becket (dragon ball) ,the one with cooler on the front, it has inside the ultaminte ssj gide. it clearly states that those forms are real, the last two only in the movies. becket may not be the offical mag but it is credable. don't belive me, look it up.

[Guest Altron Gundam]

As Piro said, ssj3, you're high, stop making up crap forms.

[Charles]

Hmm, I could see where SSJ3 would be confused though. After all, the Lord Slug movie is called "Super Saiya-jin Gokou."

[Sephiroth]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crazy White Boy [/i]
[B]Hmm, I could see where SSJ3 would be confused though. After all, the Lord Slug movie is called "Super Saiya-jin Gokou." [/B][/QUOTE]

yes, that was most odd, he never even transformed, just had a red aura around him which was similar to kaioken....

[Guest Chris]

unless becket magazine is incorrect those are ssj forms. if becket is wrong, sorry. but every thing else i've seen in that magazine is true. and if they are wrong, they need a new editor.

[Guest ProudClod]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crazy White Boy [/i]
[B]Hmm, I could see where SSJ3 would be confused though. After all, the Lord Slug movie is called "Super Saiya-jin Gokou." [/B][/QUOTE]

Movie 4, the lord slug movie was actually called "suoer saiya-jin goku,?" The question mark makes a big difference and explains the confusion. So in simple terms the movie should be called, will goku become a super saiya jin because he becomes really powerful during kaio-ken, lol!!

[Guest Rogue Shadows]

Is there any evidance of a normal SSj form past x3?

Just wondering. I doubt that it would just cut out as a normal thing at x3 if a Saiyjin could just keep gaining power levels, especialy one that isn't gonna die of old age any time soon, such as Goku, and even if he does, can continue training in the Other World.

[PiroMunkie]

[color=indigo]No. There is no normal Super Saiya-jin form past level 3. Nor will their truly ever be. The only "Super Saiya-jin" level past 3 is 4, which only appears in GT, and Akira had no input on GT.[/color]

[Guest Rogue Shadows]

not even in AF (or whatever the magna series is)

[Guest ProudClod]

Dragonball af is not a series, as far as i can remember it is supposed to be a sort of thing on the internet which dragonball fans made up. Like a fan club really.

[Guest Rogue Shadows]

There's some DB magna somewhere. The magna could not have been made and published without the permission of the creators or the company, so it counts as a series. much like how all the Star Trek books count.

It seems an awful waste of numbers without something normal past SSj x3. There should be at least ten. Or they should at least close out the line with something called "Supreme Super Saiyjin" or something.

Too bad DB is over in Japan. Oh well. Full ahead to the next series! I predict the next huge anime series will be along the lines of...a HAMSTER! Or maybe about a sausage.

I dunno. it's so hard to predict because there's a magna or TV series for EVERYTHING in Japan. There's a magna and series for MTG in Japan, although it is much like Yu-Gi-Oh! and I think it was made to counter it.

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