anime_gal15 Posted May 18, 2002 Share Posted May 18, 2002 I am a HUGE DBZ fan. In the beginning Goku had a power of 320. Then, we he pulled the Kama Ha Ma Ha Wave for the first time in DBZ (Radis came to earth) his power level jumped to 760. Gohan's (during the same episode) was 730. Is that cool or what? LONG LIVE TRUNKS!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted May 18, 2002 Share Posted May 18, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rogue Shadows [/i] [B]I saw somewhere up there that someone said that Brolli was the most powerful enemy. I love re-stating this opinion over and over again, so: WRONG. FREIZA. Opinion, of course, but then again, consider this: When Freiza was in his Psycho-White-And-Purple-Monkey form, and Goku was weaker then him, Freiza beat the living crap out of Goku. However, when Goku became a Super Saiyjin, and as such more powerful then Freiza, the fight suddenly became fair. Freiza was weaker, but he still almost beat Goku. From that information, I think that, if both Freiza and goku were at an equal power level, Freiza would eventualy win.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]I understand yours is opinion but understand this fact :p. Furiza could not take on Gokou is his Super Saiya-jin form, how could you expect him to take on Gokou in his Super Saiya=jin 4 form? Let alone the addition of SSJ4 Vegeta and such. Furiza was not their toughest oppenent. Though, he probably was their most feared opponent. But not the toughest.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted May 18, 2002 Share Posted May 18, 2002 freeza, maybe most feared, but not for long; ever seen movie 12? janenba would be the hardest and if not him, buu. also, goku did the kamehameha for the first time as a young child in db. also, some body better do something about rouge shadows little quote at the end of his post. i know theres a limit on the number of lines. moderators... where are you?, please hhheeellllpppp!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted May 18, 2002 Share Posted May 18, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gokents [/i] [B]freeza, maybe most feared, but not for long; ever seen movie 12? janenba would be the hardest and if not him, buu.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]f you are talking about DragonBall Z, then yes, Buu would be their toughest opponent, Furiza still remains the most feared. I doubt Janemba has a history of blowing of the Planet Vegeta and killed all but a handful of the Saiya-jin race, and then also taking over and pirating many other planets throughout the universe. Furiza would strike greater fear into the hearts of a Saiya-jin than would the name Janemba. Even [i]after[/i] they thought they killed Furiza, once they felt his power signal again, they were about ready to soil themselves. Though in what I said, I was referring to the whole DragonBall series, throughout GT. Ii Shenron is the toughest, Furiza was the most feared.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted May 18, 2002 Share Posted May 18, 2002 based on the way the enemy looks; i would give it to dabura, then janenba in his second form. as for a track record. freeza would with out a doubt be the scariest. plus hes just down right rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted May 19, 2002 Share Posted May 19, 2002 i would say freiza would be the toughest. strongest and toughest are two different things. toughest is hardest to defeat. i would say freiza was the hardest to beat because he was beating the sh*t out of goku until he went ssj. and he still killed goku after he went ssj (remember they had to wish him back with the dragon balls). and freiza still was able to take on goku after he was reserected and gained power (saiyans gain strength after reserected). plus goku didn't have eny real help, i mean with some one closed to the same strength as him. freiza also still lived after the battle with ssj goku. at the begining freiza could have killed goku, he was just toying with him. no freiza could not take on two ssj4s, but that doesn't matter because at the time they weren't ssj4s. therefore i say that freiza is the toughest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSJ Gotenks ok Posted May 19, 2002 Share Posted May 19, 2002 I dont remember freiza killing goku when he's ssj.:worried: I have a question when goku and vegita fuse with the earings i taught they would stay like that forever i must of missed the episode were they explained why they didint stay fused for ever but can someone let me know.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukazi Posted May 19, 2002 Share Posted May 19, 2002 The reason the fusion did not last was because the entering of something made of magic (Buu) caused the affects of the fusion to wear off. Also, Frieza did not defeat/kill Goku. Whenever they had wished for Goku to be brought back to life, the dragon replied "I can not bring back to life what isnt dead". Goku went on to defeat Frieza, but not kill him. The only people to beat him were Trunks and Gohan (Movie 12). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rogue Shadows Posted May 19, 2002 Share Posted May 19, 2002 My quote isn't too long. I actualy shortened it after it said it was too long. As for Freiza not being abole to take on Goku as SSj, remember that Goku was more powerful, yet Freiza still was able to hold his own. For a little while, anyway*. At equal power levels, say each at 100,000, I'm pretty sure Freiza would win. ---------------------------------- *Yes, yes, I know that in the end he realised he couldn't win and started attacking Namek rather then Goku, so at least if he died he could possibly take Goku with him, but that's beside the point. Goku was rapidly gaining power levels at that time, it was unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted May 19, 2002 Share Posted May 19, 2002 i saw goku all the way. freeza running at the same power as goku was loossing power and not staying at the same level. goku could take the abuse and stay at the same level because he had more to replace it with. freeza would get hit and that power would be gone for good. goku would get hit and the power would be reduced but he still had the endurance power to replace it with. freeza was just plain sad in not seeing how outclassed he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSJ Gotenks ok Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cruizr [/i] [B] Also, Frieza did not defeat/kill Goku. Whenever they had wished for Goku to be brought back to life, the dragon replied "I can not bring back to life what isnt dead". Goku went on to defeat Frieza, but not kill him. The only people to beat him were Trunks and Gohan (Movie 12). [/B][/QUOTE] Yeah i knew that frieza never killed goku.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i] [B][color=indigo]f you are talking about DragonBall Z, then yes, Buu would be their toughest opponent, Furiza still remains the most feared. I doubt Janemba has a history of blowing of the Planet Vegeta and killed all but a handful of the Saiya-jin race, and then also taking over and pirating many other planets throughout the universe. Furiza would strike greater fear into the hearts of a Saiya-jin than would the name Janemba. Even [i]after[/i] they thought they killed Furiza, once they felt his power signal again, they were about ready to soil themselves. Though in what I said, I was referring to the whole DragonBall series, throughout GT. Ii Shenron is the toughest, Furiza was the most feared.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue][size=1] I half agree, half disagree. I do believe Ii is strong, but I think Brolli is the strongest in the whole series (and movies) because: The endings to movies 8 and 10 suck (haven't seen 11) I think if it were SSJ4 Gogeta versus Brolli, then the Z Fighters might win, but if just one ssj4 (even fused with bebi vegeta which almost=ssj3) wouldn't beat him, because he was the ultimate warrior. The ending to movie 8 should've been him sending one organ at a time home in the mail to their families, because he was so strong and Viscious. Ii on the other hand was stronger, I have to admit. But besides him, Brolli could've beat all the villains fused together. [/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 [color=indigo]Now you have to watch yourself when saying that. Sure Brolli was strong, but that was back in DragonBall Z. It wasn't even in the chronology of the series. Ii Shenron on the other hand is at the farthest end of DragonBall GT. There is going to be a huge difference in the power levels. I mean, according to majority belief, Gokou's power level at the end of GT is presumed to be around 1 billion, and that's just as his normal self. So when Vegeta and Gokou were in there Super Saiya-jin 4 forms, their power levels could very well be around 250 million (ish). And Gojita at Super Saiya-jin 4 probably a lot more than that. I would say anywhere between 600-750 million. And Brolli is no where [i]near[/i] that strong. His power couldn't have even been in the triple digits of millions. So Ii Shenron would be MUCH stronger than Brolli. I mean, if Gokou and Vegeta were to fight Brolli in how they were at the end of GT, they would laugh. And Brolli would not be able to defeat all the villians fused together. There would jsut be no possible way he could stand up to the different arrays of powers and abilities the different enemies had. I mean, just the fusion of say.. Cell and Majin Buu alone could take him easily.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 [color=royalblue] You make a good point there. I wasn't thinking, and was just really thinking about movie #8's crappy ending. But I think Brolli could still probably take an SSJ3 [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaioshin Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i] [B]1) What happened to three-eyes and the porceline-doll character? I assume that they died, but why weren't they brought back? [color=indigo]Chiatzu (midget clown guy) stops showing after the androids arrive. Tien (3 eyes) is last seen when he goes all out against Cell with his Tri-beam attack. They just knew they were no long strong enough to compete in any battle anymore.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] Actually Tien and Chaotzu (sp.) are last seen when Goku turns SSJ3 when he was fighting Majin Buu. They just get on with there own lives as they know they're too weak to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i] [B][color=indigo]Now you have to watch yourself when saying that. Sure Brolli was strong, but that was back in DragonBall Z. It wasn't even in the chronology of the series. Ii Shenron on the other hand is at the farthest end of DragonBall GT. There is going to be a huge difference in the power levels. I mean, according to majority belief, Gokou's power level at the end of GT is presumed to be around 1 billion, and that's just as his normal self. So when Vegeta and Gokou were in there Super Saiya-jin 4 forms, their power levels could very well be around 250 million (ish). And Gojita at Super Saiya-jin 4 probably a lot more than that. I would say anywhere between 600-750 million. And Brolli is no where [i]near[/i] that strong. His power couldn't have even been in the triple digits of millions. So Ii Shenron would be MUCH stronger than Brolli. I mean, if Gokou and Vegeta were to fight Brolli in how they were at the end of GT, they would laugh. And Brolli would not be able to defeat all the villians fused together. There would jsut be no possible way he could stand up to the different arrays of powers and abilities the different enemies had. I mean, just the fusion of say.. Cell and Majin Buu alone could take him easily.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] actually, brolly could beat ii shenron because a legendary ssj can not be defeated on a one-on-one battle. i think that seems very stupid though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ssj3 [/i] [B]actually, brolly could beat ii shenron because a legendary ssj can not be defeated on a one-on-one battle. i think that seems very stupid though.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]And what source told you that? It would be impossible for Brolli to defeat Ii Shenron, whether or not he is a Legendary Super Saiya-jin or not. The power difference is like a freight train (Ii Shenron) to a car (Brolli). Brolli might hold a bit of resistance, but he would get smashed my the sheer power of Ii.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rogue Shadows Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Isn't Shenron an Eternal Dragon? If so, then where'd Ii Shenron come from? And how is the Ii part even pronounced? IE? EE? I don't know. I feel so so stupid listening to you expert people talking about stuff I haven't even concieved to look up yet. Stupid DBZ! Why'd it have to go on for so long?! Ah well. Seems that I'm the only person who thinks Freiza is the best. Of course, if the able-to-take-on-something-with-a-higher-power-level-and-still-probably-win thing is a racial trait, then either King Cold or Coola is the best, but then again, neither had the build-up of Freiza, so... Ever wonder how the Universe, manages to survive with things as powerful as Goku and Ii Shenron (whoever he is...) haging' around? I mean, what happens if, on the other side of the Universe, a great evil builds up so much power that nothing there can stop it, and it takes a look at the Universe and says to itself "It'll have to go". Let's call this guy Krikket for the sake of an argument*. Okay, so Krikket is ammasing immense power on the OTHER side of the universe. Litteraly trillions, if not quintillions, of light-years away from Earth (Holds the firm beliefe that the Earth that DBZ takes place on is a far-in-the-future Earth that it recovering from some massive crisis that happened), far, far away, much farther then Goku, with all his massive powers, could ever be able to detect Krikket's massive energy. Eventualy, the two are bound to collide. But at this point, Goku has simply been doing average training, whilst Krikket is doing everything in his power to get enough energy to compleately wipe out the entire universe in one fell stroke. I mean, what happens then, if Krikket decides that it wants to absorb the energy of Earth and all it's life-forms, as rich in life as Earth is in such Mauri**? No matter what the Z Fighters pulled from their sleeves, Krikket would not be stopped, because this is something that it has not only been preparing for mellenia for, but also it comes so toataly unexpected I mean, against most of their enemies, the Z fighters have had a chance to prepare for at least a weak ahead of time. They saw Freiza comming for a while. So...Goku looses. Vageta looses. Trunks and Gohan and Goten loose. They all loose, Krikket absorbs the energy of all the life-forms on Earht, and looks out at the stars, and says to itself "Hey, that planet Oa over there looks pretty good," and continues. Nothing stops it. eventualy, BADDABOOM! And the universe is destroyed. I mean, seriously. That's why Dragonball is no longer popular in Japan. They got so massively powerful that if it had gone on eventualy they'd ascend to GODHOOD. The only other option would be to have someone like Krikket come along, that blows Majin Buu and Cell and Bolly and Ii Shenron not only out of the water, but also off of the galatic rim. Okay, so there was a third option, and that woul be to start over in a differant universe. But that's beside the point. ____________________________________________ *A play on the Krikketers, from the planet Krikket, in a book called "the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galexy". The Krikketers lived their evoltion span on a planet that was enveloped in a dust cloud. They couldn't see the stars. They never thought "Are we along in the universe?" because they never even concived the possibility of a universe. One day, a space ship crashes onto the serface of Krikket. Within a YEAR, a YEAR I tell you, the Krikketers have built their own space ship. They go out past the dust cloud. They see the universe in it's infinite majesty. And they decide "It'll have to go.". Because it simply doesn't fit into their perpective or reality. **Mauri: A word for life-force or life-energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i] [B][color=indigo]And what source told you that? It would be impossible for Brolli to defeat Ii Shenron, whether or not he is a Legendary Super Saiya-jin or not. The power difference is like a freight train (Ii Shenron) to a car (Brolli). Brolli might hold a bit of resistance, but he would get smashed my the sheer power of Ii.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] G/S/B Master said that in the thead what is brolly...good or evil. i was hoping some one would corect me on that. i asked three people and two of them said they heard that, so i thought it might be true. if any one knows for sure, please tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rogue Shadows Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 I'm still waiting for the pronounceation of Ii in Ii Shenron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 sorry but i don't know how it is prononced. i just assumed that it was prononced I. i haven't seen gt yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Aries [/i] [B][color=royalblue] You make a good point there. I wasn't thinking, and was just really thinking about movie #8's crappy ending. But I think Brolli could still probably take an SSJ3 [/color] [/B][/QUOTE] Brolli has the power of an ultimate super saiya-jin, ussj for short, power increases greatly but speed decreases drastically, his power is equivelent to that of an ssj2, maybe slightly higher.... there is no way that brolli could have defeated cell alone, let alone all the bad guys put together or whatever.... son gokou in ssj3 would have beaten brolli to shreds.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sephiroth [/i] [B] Brolli has the power of an ultimate super saiya-jin, ussj for short, power increases greatly but speed decreases drastically, his power is equivelent to that of an ssj2, maybe slightly higher.... there is no way that brolli could have defeated cell alone, let alone all the bad guys put together or whatever.... son gokou in ssj3 would have beaten brolli to shreds.... [/B][/QUOTE] I have to disagree. As you said, Brolli's power is equivelent to or greater than that of a SSJ2. Seeing as how Gohan had his problems with Brolli, I'd say that the speed wouldn't hurt him much in his fight with Cell. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sephiroth [/i] [B] Brolli has the power of an ultimate super saiya-jin, ussj for short, power increases greatly but speed decreases drastically, his power is equivelent to that of an ssj2, maybe slightly higher.... there is no way that brolli could have defeated cell alone, let alone all the bad guys put together or whatever.... son gokou in ssj3 would have beaten brolli to shreds.... [/B][/QUOTE] actually, if his power is higher than ssj2 then he might be able to beat cell. gohan beat cell at ssj2(with the help of vegeta of cource). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*-- RagnaroK--* Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sephiroth [/i] [B] Brolli has the power of an ultimate super saiya-jin, ussj for short, power increases greatly but speed decreases drastically, his power is equivelent to that of an ssj2, maybe slightly higher.... there is no way that brolli could have defeated cell alone, let alone all the bad guys put together or whatever.... son gokou in ssj3 would have beaten brolli to shreds.... [/B][/QUOTE] And if trunks ssj2 couldnt beat cell, then how would brolli, they had about the same power level, if not, brolli slightly higher. And yeah, ssj3 would kick to the crap out of brolli! (its a shame that goku hadnt learnt this tecnique back then) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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