Guest Voodookanaka Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 In FF7, is cloud really sephiroths clone?? i dont get it, what about the whole buisness with joining SOLDIER, the mako poisoning etc..... i think i understand, but thinking about it i just need it cleared up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conpiracymonki Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 [b]I dunno what happened myself, but I reckon that he was just the average soldier of SOLDIER (the blue guys), but he's been played around with, by Sephiroth because of the way his life and lies are twangled and stuff. Sephiroth knows his head's screwed. I think that's right. (Waits for others to correct him)[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 [B]Possible Spoilders[/B] No, Cloud is not Sephiroth's clone. If you made it far enough into the game, you would remember Tifa helping Cloud untangle his personal issues in the lifestream. Cloud was in fact a boy that grew up with her, so he has a past. He joined SOLDIER, but only had moderate success. After the Neibelheim(sp?) incident when Sephiroth severly injured Cloud, he was locked away in a tank with Zach where he was no doubt experimented on. It was in this state and the dramatic escape that followed, that Cloud's reality became a mess. He didn't know what to believe. Since his past was so hazy, it was easy for Sephiroth to mess with his head and convince him that he was a puppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Voodookanaka Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 i remember now, yeh, id blocked out a whole section of it, cloud and zack were injected with jenovas cells while in the mako tanks, whick is y hojo refered to him as a sephiroth clone, cloud came out with a half dead Zack and thought he was him... :D thanx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 cloud did not join soldier, when they injected cloud with mako cells, cloud's body rejected it even though signs of mako infusion still appeared, like the glowing eyes and strength for example.... this is why hojo kept referring to cloud as a failure, because his cells did not accept mako.... and as was said before, no, cloud is not sephiroth's clone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Voodookanaka Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 right so * cloud gos away to become part of SOLDIER * never makes it and becomes a shinra soldier * gos back to Nibelheim with tom, Zack and sephiroth * tom dies, they reach Jenova. * Sephiroth realises his true heritage, gos nuts burns down Nibelheim * stabs cloud...right this bit confuses me, y is cloud powerful enough to beat sephiroth now? * Sephiroth refuses to return to the planet * An injured Zack and cloud are put in tanks to be experimented on by hojo * they break free, cloud is not poisoned, however is not thinking straight, Zack is mentally done for. * soldiers come along, kill Zack, a confused cloud picks up Zacks sword and carries on living Zacks life ........????????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Harlequin [/i] [B]In other words, someone has a very messed up head. [/B][/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]Why did you post that..?[/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zeh Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Voodookanaka [/i] [B]right so * cloud gos away to become part of SOLDIER * never makes it and becomes a shinra soldier * gos back to Nibelheim with tom, Zack and sephiroth * tom dies, they reach Jenova. * Sephiroth realises his true heritage, gos nuts burns down Nibelheim * stabs cloud...right this bit confuses me, y is cloud powerful enough to beat sephiroth now? * Sephiroth refuses to return to the planet * An injured Zack and cloud are put in tanks to be experimented on by hojo * they break free, cloud is not poisoned, however is not thinking straight, Zack is mentally done for. * soldiers come along, kill Zack, a confused cloud picks up Zacks sword and carries on living Zacks life ........????????????????????????? [/B][/QUOTE] [COLOR=indigo]SPOILER it's obvious why they saved him too.... remember when Sephiroth ran his sword into clouds shoulder? well Cloud's sitting here withthis Masamune driven through his shoulder, then he grabs the blade, picks it up, with sephiroth holding the other end, and throws sephiroth into the mako reactor. I'm guessing Hojo thought, if this kid was good enough to survive that, almost killing seph, with a sword in his shoulder, he'd make a great warrior, one toooooo good to throw away..... and thus hojo did stuff with him.... [/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 I'd just like to say that sephiroth was never killed in the mako reactor, the same happened to him as what happened to cloud after the weapons awakened, when he ended up in mideel, sephiroth was taken to the northern crater, jenova possibly aiding him in this, that is why when cloud gives sephiroth the black materia in the fmv sephiroth only has half of his body.... mako is dangerous, ya know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sephiroth [/i] [B]cloud did not join soldier[/B][/QUOTE] Are you sure? I remember him being a grunt in that little blue suit. It's been a while, but I thought that was a low level of SOLDIER..... I even remember President Shinra acknowledging that Cloud was in SOLDIER towards the start of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SephirothNIN Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Blue uniforms don't automatically mean Soldier, Cloud was simply in the Shinra army, Soldier was the elite people, and he said himself in the mideel flashback w/ Tifa in the lifestream that he didn't have what it took to get into Soldier. President Shinra sees the Mako in Cloud's eyes (and sees him kicking ***) and assumes it's because he was in Soldier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zidargh Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 [SIZE=1]Ooh god. Not mentioned yet. 2 things to point across. If you've played Final Fantasy 9 you'd remember trance/limit breaks being caused by an emotional state. In which we've all fel it, you're hit in you're ''fojo''(Mojo crossed with fighting :) ) you'll go mental and really hurt the other person because of kilojoules or something. And Cloud saw Tifa slashed by Sephiroth, note his childhood friend. I sense a bit of loyalty involved. And that is why he nearly killed Sephiroth, and if you noticed, Sephiroth had a mechanical arm so I dont know if this was the real Sephiroth.[/SIZE] [SIZE=1]Next point. As been said already, the blue suits were the lower determination. And as Cloud's flashback in Kalm, he wore the same uniform as the guards but Sephiroth saw soemthing in Cloud, that's why he spared him. But Cloud must've been lying as to see that when Cloud was with Aeris in the park, he said he was 2nd elite SOLDIER or something. But Cloud had a confused state of mind in which Tifa and Aeris recovered himself. So Cloud was like a child. Unless time travel was invol....Oh no I've gone cross eyed.[/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerdsy Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SephirothNIN [/i] [B]Blue uniforms don't automatically mean Soldier, Cloud was simply in the Shinra army, Soldier was the elite people, and he said himself in the mideel flashback w/ Tifa in the lifestream that he didn't have what it took to get into Soldier. President Shinra sees the Mako in Cloud's eyes (and sees him kicking ***) and assumes it's because he was in Soldier. [/B][/QUOTE] [COLOR=deeppink]Shinra assumes more than him being in SOLDIER. He says something about Cloud being the member who switched sides. Of course, he could have heard this from spies or something or other, but I always figured this was just a plothole...[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*-- RagnaroK--* Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 I know this game inside out, until now that is! Were the blue thugs shinra soldiers or SOLDIER... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conpiracymonki Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 [b]I'm sure they were just the average Shinra grunts...[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break Posted May 26, 2002 Share Posted May 26, 2002 [SIZE=1]Yeah, the ones in blue uniform are called Shinra Officers or something like that..[/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desbreko Posted May 26, 2002 Share Posted May 26, 2002 [color=indigo]The soldiers in the blue uniforms with the helmets are Shinra soldiers... Not members of SOLDIER... I believe Cloud says somewhere in the game that he didn't make it into SOLDIER, so he worked for Shinra instead. That, and when you fight the soldiers in the blue uniforms, and hit Select to look at their name, it doesn't say SOLDIER: 1st or whatever. There are three types of SOLDIER enemies that you fight; SOLDIER: 3rd, which you find in the Shinra Building, SOLDIER: 2nd, which you find in Junon, and SOLDIER: 1st which you find in Midgar. (When you're going through the Shinra Building, you can steal a Hardedge sword for Cloud from a SOLDIER: 3rd, which you wouldn't normally get for quite awhile. It's [i]very[/i] nice, since it's quite a bit better than the Buster Sword).[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break Posted May 26, 2002 Share Posted May 26, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Desbreko [/i] [B][color=indigo]The soldiers in the blue uniforms with the helmets are Shinra soldiers... Not members of SOLDIER... I believe Cloud says somewhere in the game that he didn't make it into SOLDIER, so he worked for Shinra instead. That, and when you fight the soldiers in the blue uniforms, and hit Select to look at their name, it doesn't say SOLDIER: 1st or whatever. There are three types of SOLDIER enemies that you fight; SOLDIER: 3rd, which you find in the Shinra Building, SOLDIER: 2nd, which you find in Junon, and SOLDIER: 1st which you find in Midgar. (When you're going through the Shinra Building, you can steal a Hardedge sword for Cloud from a SOLDIER: 3rd, which you wouldn't normally get for quite awhile. It's [i]very[/i] nice, since it's quite a bit better than the Buster Sword).[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]Yeah, if you press select I [i]think[/i] it says that the ones wearing helmets and blue uniforms are Shinra MP's or something... And also, if you look at how all the different classes of SOLDIERs are standing, they are standing exactly how Cloud stands in battle. ;)[/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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