Euthinasia

[Guest Saiyangohan2002]

I am serously against Euthinasia, but i want to know everyones opinions. My reason for being against Euthinasiais that you make the best of whats given to you. And you should never give up, no matter how hard the going gets. God gave us this beautifull land and i wouldnt go for doctor assisted suicide, no matter how hard it gets.

And the starving people in africa who have no choice as to living or dying, we should be gratefull we live in the western world.


Anyway, thats just my opinion

[Boba Fett]

I think people have a right to choose how they live, what they do, and if they want to continue to live.

Besides, if they want to die so badly, why dont they just jump off some bridge somewhere? Its not like anyone could stop them in time.........

[Guest Matt]

[color=red][b]Excluding my religious feelings about it, I think people have a right to choose. If they want to die, there is nothing anyone can do to stop them. They will find a way to do it. So if they want to go peacefully and without fuss, it is right. But they must have a terminal illness that there is no hope of recovering from and they are suffering and in pain. If we didn't have a right to choose, this wouldn't be America.[/b][/color]

[amibasuki]

ppl do have a right to choose whether they want to die or not (I guess), but they shouldn't find a new way to kill themselves when there are enough ways to do it as it is.

[Pressure]

[color=purple]People have a right to govern their own lives, but I chose the second one. I support Euthanasia, with just cause. If someone broke an arm and got sick of only using on hand, thats not a good enough reason for euthanasia. If a person is critically ill with cancer and can no longer stand to see their family suffer, and is in great pain and discomfort, I would support their decision to die.[/color]

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo] Hmmm...I think in certian circumstances I can understand euthanasia. For example, taking a 95 year old woman off of life support after cancer has destroyed her body and ravaged her mind to the point of demensia is mercy.
However, I do find it hard to justify euthanasia in a lot of situations. Euthanasia roughly means "mercy killing", but who is really wise enough to judge when it is merciful to kill?[/color]

[James]

[color=coral]I agree with DBZChikaGhan on this one.

Most people commit suicide for pretty foolish reasons.

But if you are terminally ill...with no chance of ever improving and you are in constant pain (with only palliative care), then yes...you should most certainly have the right to end your own suffering.

If I am standing in a hospital ward with someone who is undergoing unbearable pain and if I know that that pain will never end...and they are dying a slow death...I wouldn't have the heart to tell them "sorry, you're not allowed to undergo euthanasia". [/color]

[Guest cloricus]

You people have missed the whole point of this topic. (Or the one going on in real life)

This is for people who don't want to live for one reason or another.

The real argument (not the one your see on TV) is should we give people who are going to commit suicide anyway a more dignified way to die.

Which would you prefer, if you where going to die -
A) At home with your family around you and in a peaceful setting or
B) Getting ripped apart by some train and putting the driver in counselling for weeks.

I must say I am very much for Euthanasia. Please don't put any religious views as a response to this post.

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Most people commit suicide for pretty foolish reasons.
[/Quote]
That is not true.
You normally know what your talking about but that is wrong.

[James]

[color=coral]It's not really about suicide as such though. Euthanasia was originally created with the view of ending terminally ill patients' suffering...

I wouldn't think euthanasia should be authorized for people who just "want to commit suicide for whatever reason".

[i][size=1]Originally posted by Cloricus:[/i][/size][QUOTE][B]That is not true.
You normally know what your talking about but that is wrong.[/QUOTE][/B]

It's convenient to just say "you're wrong" without reasons, isn't it?

But actually, I'm right.

Suicide is a selfish act and is often committed by people who are unable (for whatever reason) to deal with situations in their life. But often, these people don't take into account the effects on their family and friends.

People need to think more carefully about how their actions affect others -- I have very little sympathy for those who commit suicide. I have much more sympathy for their families who are devistated by it.[/color]

[Guest cloricus]

I will post my reply when I get home. But I believe I know more on the subject than you. I can't put any thing now.

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B]I will post my reply when I get home. But I believe I know more on the subject than you. I can't put any thing now. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=coral]Keyword here is "believe".

Thus, you [i]don't[/i] really know what experience, if any, I have on this subject.

You should never presume what I do and do not know, because based on what you've said, I believe that [i]I[/i] infact have more experience on the subject.

You'd be surprised at what people know about certain issues, regardless of how much you think you understand.[/color]

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo] Uhmm...I may be missing the point but I think there is a big misuse of the word "euthanasia", which (according to websters dictionary anyway) means "the act of putting to death for humane [b]reasons[/b]".

I think what you are trying to ask is [i]whether or not the act of commiting suicide in a painless (or less painful/drastic) way using assisted suicide justifiable?[/i]

My awnser to that question would be no. If a person has a desire to commit suicide they obviously have a severe emotional problem that they need to deal with. Therefore, if someone aides a person in the act of suicide they are commiting murder, because they are killing someone who does not have full mental and emotional capabilities.

Besides, if you want to kill yourself, just go jump off of a really tall building...trust me the pain won't last long and your family will be spared a lot of money/time/lawsuits (unless you land on a car). [/color]

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i]
[B][color=indigo]

My awnser to that question would be no. If a person has a desire to commit suicide they obviously have a severe emotional problem that they need to deal with. Therefore, if someone aides a person in the act of suicide they are commiting murder, because they are killing someone who does not have full mental and emotional capabilities.

[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=coral]Exactly. :)

There is a big difference between assisted suicide and euthanasia.[/color]

[Charles]

I actually did a paper on this subject. I'll take out a few snippets of how I feel.


Some may argue that euthanasia is an acceptable solution for the lingering problems that accompany modern medicine. In all actuality, the need for euthanasia has been overrated and its potential negative impact greatly underestimated. The benefits of legalizing euthanasia are less than the potential harms and it will have serious consequences such as unnecessary death, reduced quality in healthcare and a decline in moral values.

Statistically, euthanasia isn't really necessary. In the United States, 2.3 million people die annually, fifty percent of whom have a distinct dying stage when the request for euthanasia could be made. Only two percent are competent enough to make the decision and only five percent are in unbearable pain that cannot be relieved with medication. Incredibly, only ten percent have seriously thought about euthanasia and a measly four percent have discussed it with their physicians. When the numbers are broken down, only one hundred eight four people in the US would benefit if euthanasia was legalized (davisrm/euthno.htm). It is quite obvious that the numbers behind euthanasia do not support the need for its legalization. On the other hand, statistics clearly show potential harm behind euthanasia. If ninety-eight of the people eligible for an actively induced death are incapable of intelligently requesting it, then others would be forced to make the decision for them. Consequently, euthanasia and choice would rarely be available in the same package.

Furthermore, no one in the world is perfect-not even doctors. Fatal illness can be misdiagnosed, making a person of potential recovery make a misguided plea for their own demise. Also, there are many cases of near-death patients who experience miraculous recoveries. No doctor can account for their patient?s fate with one hundred percent accuracy. Chances are, the diagnosis of an incurable disease could be inaccurate. It is wholly possible that such a disease could be curable. If people were simply ?put to death? whenever they became ill, advances in medicine would surely decline.

The consequences of euthanasia will become outrageous under its acceptance. Quite probable is it, that our society could stray from voluntary euthanasia to involuntary euthanasia. People could die against their own wishes. According to the World Wide Web site on Non-Religious Arguments on ?Voluntary Euthanasia,? ?In Holland, five hundred people were killed by 'euthanasia' in 1995 of which nine hundred were admittedly killed without their consent. Scaled up to the UK this would be seventeen thousand and three thousand four hundred.? Is euthanasia still for peoples well-being if they do not desire it? Drawing the line between murder and mercy becomes increasingly difficult under these circumstances and ethical protest abounds.

[Transtic Nerve]

The Youth in Asia are becoming smarter and smarter everyday.... Oh wait... this has nothing to do with this topic...

[Anna]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]The Youth in Asia are becoming smarter and smarter everyday.... Oh wait... this has nothing to do with this topic... [/B][/QUOTE]

:therock:

tsk tsk,....... a mod, spamming....... :nono:

^_^

I'm just playing.

Euthanasia is one of those things were it's both good and bad; one or the other, but in certain circumstances. Overall, I'm against it. But as it's been stated here before, I think if someone who has actually [i]lived[/i] their life to it's expected length were in pain, not to recover, very old anyway, then maybe an exception could be made.

[James]

[color=coral]Yeah, I don't think anyone is saying that it's a perfect solution. Any solution can have its problems.

But in a very small minority of cases, euthanasia is a very humane option.

People love to blow it out of porportion and indicate that it would open the door for a lot of other problems. But in reality, if it were very strictly legislated, it could be done.

I mean, in my view, only those who are in great pain (which medicine can't remove) and who are dying from [i]uncurable[/i] illness...and who are also sound of mind, so that they can decide their fate...those are the only circumstances where it would be acceptable.

In any other circumstance, it's just too risky.[/color]

[The Harlequin]

[quote]
[I]Originally posted by James[/I]

I mean, in my view, only those who are in great pain (which medicine can't remove) and who are dying from uncurable illness...and who are also sound of mind, so that they can decide their fate...those are the only circumstances where it would be acceptable. [/quote]

One question. Who defines incurable illness? Does say, a cancer, that could be treated with radiation therapy that would leave a person scarred and sick the rest of their life count as uncurable? Or something like depression? Being a manic depressionist myself, as well as suffering a few other mental illnesses, and as someone who was driven to attempt suicide several times, I would have to state that there are cases where depression and other mental disorders are uncurable. Living with a mental disorder is far from easy, If you are lucky, you don't know anything is wrong. Otherwise, life is a constant torment. It can be in either situation, but it always is if you know something is wrong with you.

[Ravenstorture]

[color=darkgreen]Where do people get off thinking they can govern other people's lives? What makes people think that their choice is somehow better than the person in question's? How many of you have ever experienced extreme mental and physical pain, to the point of not being able to maintain your sanity? How many of you know the full extent of torment and suffering mental illness can bring? How many of you know the extent of [I]insanity, torment and suffering some diseases can bring?[/I] Do any of you know how it feels to be in such pain that you simply cannot breathe or think and then have someone to tell you you have to LIVE WITH IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE? What does it do to their families and friends, to see you in this state? Do you know how hard it is to explain to someone what pain is like? I KNOW that no matter how creative you are with your speech, how colourful or imaginitive, there is NO WAY you can communicate to someone how much it hurts. If you have not been in the position of someone who requests euthanasia, your opinion is merely that - an opinion. [/color]

[Jesus Chicken]

tis very true young one, tis true. I must concede to your point of view, the butterfly thing, truly beautiful.

[Guest cloricus]

Yes James you know every thing, I though I would be smarter and have my own opinion, but I again seem to be wrong. I'm also sure you have experienced every thing to do with this situation.
I'm also sorry if I am extremely bias on this topic, but in a few weeks I won't be.

[Ravenstorture]

Cloricus, you may know a bit about suicide, but you know little to nothing on the topic of Euthanasia and it is important for you not to integrate the topics when you are talking about your opinion. Unless there is some deeply moveing, sad story you have for some reason kept from us, choosing instead to recite others over and over agan.....:demon:

[Jesus Chicken]

I don't know much, but what I do know about such a topic of suicide, I have learned from my closest freind The Harlequin, and his dear freind Ravenstorture, what I have learned is this...

Its not pretty. it fecks with people in way that need not happen.
But I am glad that two people have not taken something that they should most definaltey not... atleats in consideration to others. But Euthinasia (spelling?) is quite different
they warn everyone, what should be said is said. and there are no suprises.

[Guest cloricus]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ravenstorture [/i]
[B]Cloricus, you may know a bit about suicide, but you know little to nothing on the topic of Euthanasia and it is important for you not to integrate the topics when you are talking about your opinion. Unless there is some deeply moveing, sad story you have for some reason kept from us, choosing instead to recite others over and over agan.....:demon: [/B][/QUOTE]

Did no one read my first post in this?

No Ravenstorture I don't think I would tell you any sad dark stories I know and yes I probably will keep saying the same thing over and over, just like you harlequin phatboynotslim and nearly every one else dose. And if I remember rite you repeat stories quiet allot more than me.

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B]Yes James you know every thing, I though I would be smarter and have my own opinion, but I again seem to be wrong. I'm also sure you have experienced every thing to do with this situation.
[/B][/QUOTE]

[color=coral]No need to be sarcastic and rude. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying that I've experienced more with this situation than you, I'm just saying that it's pointless to start assuming what people have and haven't experienced.

But if you must know, my uncle on my dad's side committed suicide less than a year ago.

I don't really think I need to get into detail, but the point is...no matter how much you think you know someone, there are always some surprises.

And some members here know more about me than others...

Nevertheless, I think it's important to point out that your experiences on a subject can really alter your perception and give you a better understanding.

Anyway...I don't even know how we got sidetracked there...euthanasia really isn't the same as the general suicide that you see most of the time.

I think most people here are in agreement though -- the person who wants to undergo euthanasia should be completely able to make up their mind logically...and they need to be in a terminally ill situation; where medical science will [i]not[/i] be able to save them.

Of course, that rules out 95% of cases...but for that 5%, I think it's a worthwhile thing to consider.[/color]