Queen Asuka Posted June 2, 2002 Author Share Posted June 2, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]What do you mean fake DBZ artwork...like fanart or something? [/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hikaru Ichijyo Posted June 2, 2002 Share Posted June 2, 2002 ;) He's probably talking about fake pics of SSJ5 Goku and SSJ4 gohan, Queen Asuka! Well at least I think that is what he means one can never be to sure! But yes its sad that 5 minutes in the dbz world is like 3 weeks to us! Really hated that Frieza aka Freezer saga when they did that crap. The show is just so redundant not even worth being called a classic, frankly if I had a choice between Dbz or watching Pokemon which I equally dislike, I would take Pokemon over that any day! At least it has a bit of a detail plot unlike dbz! -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 Well, I can't bash DBZ a whole lot myself, because DBZ is what got me into anime at all. I had always been kinda anti-anime.... well I won't say anti, I just didn't care for it. All I had ever seen or all I knew of it was from my sisters watching Sailor Moon and Pokemon and DBZ and I just wasn't impressed. I guess it wasn't the anime that bothered me- n honesty I couldn't have cared less- I guess what bothered me was how they were always OBSESSED and I got so tired of them. Anyway, back to my point. Last year during spring break I got sick, and was home pretty much the whole week. Well, DBZ came on, and I didn't feel like getting up. This was when they were showing the Cell Saga. I got into it, and wanted to see what happened next. Anyway, I guess that opened the door for it all. So, yeah DBZ isn't awful, but it certainly isn't the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 I think one of the biggest things with DBZ is that the characters don't really develop (they match the plot!). I mean, I never cried over one of the characters, I could never say "oh yeah. I know how they feel...". They just don't develop enough. Sure, you can say you know Goku, but that's because he's the exact same throughout the series. Just a big stupid monkey. There aren't really any honest-to-god serious or dramatic moments....except when >>name here<< died! And then he was brought back to life! Just like the time >>other name here<< died! In other animes, there may be sad moments, or moments when the characters just break your hearts. I think that's what really makes a good anime. Along with the plot. Both of which DBZ completely lacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibasuki Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 to me, DBZ is good for watching once or twice (one saga, I mean), and then leaving it alone. DBZ is good if you're just barely getting into anime and haven't seen much of it, but once you realize that there's plenty of other anime that's better than DBZ and you've already seen the different sagas w/ the same plot, the hype wears off. that's how it was w/ me, anyway. I still like some of DBZ, like the Cell saga, but I won't watch much else of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancid Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 [SIZE=1]I've personally never watched DBZ, I think. I mainly don't watch it because its mainstream anime (I hope thats a word). Althought there are people who know a hell of a lot and they watch DBZ. But the ones that think they know everything and watch 1 anime, that ticks me off.[/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 3, 2002 Author Share Posted June 3, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]Just a reminder, Gundam Wing is a mainstream anime. ;) Anyways, I agree with you, Amiboshi. A good plot with very well developed characters is what makes a good anime show seriously. Have you ever seen Lost Universe? It was so horrible within the first 2 episodes, I couldn't even finish watching the first volume... Now Fushigi Yugi has an AWESOME plot....right from the very beginning you get drawn into the story and the storyline is so intricately weaved, with so much irony and hardship and sorrow, but then it all comes together....*sighs* I think I just made myself want to go watch that show...I've been in an anime rut lately and haven't watch ANY...I think it was all the Star Wars hype, and I'm finally get off of my SW high horse...ANYWHO...The only problem is that the Seiryu Seven never really get developed much past Amiboshi and Suboshi, except maybe Soi a little. Miboshi, Ashtare, and Tomo don't really have much airtime, ya know? But WHY am I discussing FY....I should start a thread for it.... AH yes, back to my POINT....if you find anime with a good plot, you'll go off on tangents about it because it's so good! :excited: And DBZ is lacking so BAD! :drunk:[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 Yeah, Fushigi Yuugi has all the points of a great anime. But it's also Shoujo anime, and I believe Shoujo anime is known for character developments and great plots. Whereas DBZ is shonen, so you can half expect a lot of fighting, an perhaps not as much plot. But DBZ lacks it so much, it almost gives Shonen anime a bad name....DBZ is like it's own category. The "no plot, no development" category. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 3, 2002 Author Share Posted June 3, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]ALMOST gives it a bad name? It DOES give it a bad name....I mean, I figure there are some other guys anime out there and they aren't that bad...I can't think of any off the top of my head because my mind is drawing a blank, but DBZ is the worst. I love girls anime, especially when it's a LOVE story...I'm such a sap for that stuff...why can't that stuff get so popular... Wait a minute, the reason why DBZ is so horrible is because it's so highly rated when it's not all that great of a show...I wouldn't want to American public to ruin another anime series likeso...[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 Yeah. My favorite anime is one with a great love story. When Fox put Escaflowne on the air, then took it off, I think it was because all the crazed little boys couldn't handle that love story. I think my mind has been infected with a love story disease! I'm starting to find those plots when they hint at romances, but nothing really happens, boring! I can hardly read a manga without any Bishonen! Yu Watase has spoiled me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 3, 2002 Author Share Posted June 3, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]That's exactly how I am.. Back in the day when I watched Pokemon, I always wanted Misty and Brock together....When I watched Evangelion I hoped and prayed that Asuka and Shinji were going to get together, although that never really remotely happened, but it was hinted around some that it COULD...I liked Escaflowne and I got to see the last couple of episodes, but I missed the entire middle of the series....It was so sweet at the end, though. Of course, DBZ has a love story, right? Or, it could have one. NO..Instead they had to make Bulma and Vegeta be lovers and have a bastard child. What a perfect example they are setting for our young children of today. It's okay to have SEX! It's okay to have KIDS! It's okay to FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! *growls*[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 lol! What wonderful morals. And Escaflowne was sweet at the end. But the middle of the series was good, too. It's a shame you didn't get to see it. Van is just so sweet. My favorite type of anime is actually the mix of Shonen and Shoujo. Like Escaflowne. Sure it was a love story, and had great characters, and a plot. But it had some fighting, too. But just enough. They didn't overdue it like in DBZ. I mean, in DBZ, you take away the fighting and you have ZIP. If you took out the fighting in Inu-Yasha or Fushigi Yuugi, you would still have a great show. The fighting just adds to it. But DBZ.....ya got nothin after the fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 3, 2002 Author Share Posted June 3, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]And yet it is still so popular with American children today. It's just that the way kids are being raised nowadays, they don't know what's right and wrong anymore. They think that stealing, doing drugs, having sex, being rebellious, and so forth are the right way to do things. Shows like DBZ in my opinion just add to this. They see it on TV and then they want to copy it. But you never know, I could be wrong. You really are in control of your own life. Just like I don't want to blame videogames and music for the action that was taken at Columbine. But children do learn alot by example....[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 I was working on a project for school the other day, and we had to plan an entire Utopia at the goal of it being a Utopia. Well, we were talking about censorship of TV and movies, and my friend said something interesting. She said she didn't want our Utopia to have too much blood and violence on TV because then people would become immune to violence. I think that's very much true. You see so many people smoking, having sex, fighting, getting drunk, robbing stores, shoplifting, etc, that when you say, see a fight at school, people barely blink. I mean, we're so used to seeing it, it gets hard to distunguish what's right and what's wrong. And I'm sure that shows like DBZ being so popular doesn't help the population of younger people to learn that its not right to fight. Like you said, QA, people are in charge of their own lives, but if someone grows up seeing so much fighting on TV, why would it seem so wrong to do it in real life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancid Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i] [B][color=crimson][size=1]Just a reminder, Gundam Wing is a mainstream anime. ;) Anyways, I agree with you, Amiboshi. A good plot with very well developed characters is what makes a good anime show seriously. Have you ever seen Lost Universe? It was so horrible within the first 2 episodes, I couldn't even finish watching the first volume... Now Fushigi Yugi has an AWESOME plot....right from the very beginning you get drawn into the story and the storyline is so intricately weaved, with so much irony and hardship and sorrow, but then it all comes together....*sighs* I think I just made myself want to go watch that show...I've been in an anime rut lately and haven't watch ANY...I think it was all the Star Wars hype, and I'm finally get off of my SW high horse...ANYWHO...The only problem is that the Seiryu Seven never really get developed much past Amiboshi and Suboshi, except maybe Soi a little. Miboshi, Ashtare, and Tomo don't really have much airtime, ya know? But WHY am I discussing FY....I should start a thread for it.... AH yes, back to my POINT....if you find anime with a good plot, you'll go off on tangents about it because it's so good! :excited: And DBZ is lacking so BAD! :drunk:[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]Damn it I thought no one would notice, oh well. It's the only mainstream I like.[/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Well, I don't know exactly what's going on in this topic anymore (and it's too boring to read through) but I'll just make an "on-topic" post nonetheless. I don't care about DBZ or "anime fans" anymore, but I think this sort of thing can be applied to a lot of things. I don't mind it so much when people are just conceited about something, but when they act conceited and don't know jack **** about that subject, then it pisses me off. Appearing to be smarter than you are and giving others misinformation is what pisses me off, and I suppose this probably happens a lot with all those DBZ dorks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i] [B].... Appearing to be smarter than you are and giving others misinformation is what pisses me off, and I suppose this probably happens a lot with all those DBZ dorks. [/B][/QUOTE] Yeah. My little brother comes home all the time saying one of his friends told him about something that's gonna happen in DBZ, or they figured it out from pic or GT's on in the morning! Or something like that. I always have to set him straight. ^^ ...I also tell him his friends are filthy little liars that don't know how to tie their own shoes.....:cross: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 4, 2002 Author Share Posted June 4, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]I was watching a special on TV last night about social cruelty and kids getting picked on at school and it was talking about bullies and little outcasted kids getting picked on. I could just see it now...Some stupid little bully kid that watches DBZ everyday and thinks he's SS Goku goes after some poor little kid that to them looks like Android 17 and starts beating the tar out of him for fun everyday, because "they saw it on DBZ! :D" Yeah...it's so pathetic. Amiboshi, your entire post was VERY true, they do get immune to it. Of course, we can't blame all the bad stuff kids see only on DBZ. There are other anime shows that aren't helping either. Like the Adult Swim thing, I bet a million dollars there are more kids, YOUNG kids, watching it than adults. And so there, they can watch Cowboy Bebop, uncut with all it's blood and glory and guns and cigarette smoking. Cartoon Network should have known better. Of course, they do have the disclaimer, but how many parents REALLY think there's going to be an Adult only block on a kid's cartoon channel? Especially if that channel has been around forever and it's always been kiddie cartoons? I mean, Cowboy Bebop actually has a plot, but it can still be a very bad influence.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Yeah. My brother commented the other day he had been watching "Home Videos", the Sunday night Adult Swim. Just because there's a disclaimer, I can't imagine many kids going, "Oh! Adults only! I better change the channel now...." I mean....if the parents aren't watching too, the kids will probably just ignore that little warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 4, 2002 Author Share Posted June 4, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]Yeah, there's this family that I stay with on Saturday nights (Anna and kool_aid13's house..) and their mom doesn't let them watch stuff like that, but they do anyway, even their youngest brother and sister who are 12 and 9 years old. Their mom walked in the other night and their all like "We're not watching it, it's just a commercial" but I see the stuff that's on there and I'm like "WHOA...." I don't even know if I want to watch that stuff, you know? And when it says Adults only, that's just going to make kids want to watch it even more...they don't care if they're not supposed to...that's what makes it so interesting.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Yeah. Some shows are more for adults than other there, so I think CN should have thought about it more carefully. I'm sure some kids just think it's more Toonami, even with that little warning. If the kids are mature enough to know you shouldn't follow anything on TV by example, it's fine. But most kids don't, especially ones that already have bad home lives. I mean, if a kid's mom smokes and drinks, and then they see it on TV, then it's REALLY making an example. Now they've seen it in real life, and on TV, for EXTRA encouragement in these nasty things. The real problem is that kids are so impressionable, and it wouldn't be an issue if it was on, say, MTV. Because kids don't really watch MTV (not the younger ones...), but little kids watch CN, and then they have this block where there's shooting, swearing, drinking, smoking, and lots of other stuff that could be taken as a 'cool thing to do'. Especially because Cowboy Bebop looks so much more realistic, and the themes are more realistic, than DBZ could ever be. I mean.....how many times have we ever dealed with a big green monster sucking you in by his tail? Right. Didn't think so......But people really do have to deal with some of the stuff on CB. Maybe not the bounty hunter part....but some of the other stuff, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 4, 2002 Author Share Posted June 4, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]Actually, I [i]did[/i] have a run in with that big green monster the other night, and I chopped it's tail off with a butcher knife and ran for my life...:drunk: Okay not really, but anywho... Kids follow by example. Now, me, I learn from it this way, I grew up with my parents smoking and drinking, so I [i]don't[/i] want to do it because I know that it stinks, it makes them unhappy, and it's just so unhealthy and so forth. But my sister on the other hand does it because she thinks it's cool, and she sees them do it. Your parents can say, do what I say not as I do, but if they are setting that example for you, then you are going to end up doing it yourself probably unless you have a very strong will and very strong morals. And look at Spike on CB. Lots of young boys probably idolize him. They probably want to make their hair look like his, carry around a gun, and constantly be smoking a cigarette. It's so pathetic.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 That's one downside to anime.....a lot of it has major smoking. Even DBZ, before they cut it... Like you said, not everyone will follow the examples in shows like CB because they have their own morals, but a lot of people will follow them. It's like music. You can't blame everything on it, but listening to that music that insults women and gives out bad examples will eventually impact a few people. Just like Anime. Maybe a lot of people never will touch a gun, but maybe one person will. And maybe they'll go shoot up their school, or get in a big fight like Spike when he's mad. So it depends on the person, mostly. If they listen to the messages in those shows, it's their choice. But I still don't think it was quite right for CN to have such nasty shows on an otherwise 24/7 kiddie cartoon network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 4, 2002 Author Share Posted June 4, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]Yeah, but when you think about it, I don't think CN was really thinking about their younger viewers and what could happen to them if they watched this stuff, I think they were only thinking about the money they could make and the ratings they would get if they showed more anime. So they put the disclamer so they could legally show it and not get sued if a parent finds their kid watching something with lots of blood in violence in it. It makes me very sad. I also think that it's just more than watching the show. If the child has come from a disfunctional family, has no friends, has nothing, is always teased, and watches these shows, someone like Spike could be their hero. And that's what could lead them to actually take some sort of action.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shy Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 [color=green]I would be much more worried about a child who grows up thinking that Goku is a hero than someone who thinks that Spike is. Spike's character constantly suffers the consequences of the actions he takes, and he is constantly haunted by the mistakes he had made in the past. Anyone who has Spike as a role model will realize that everything they do has a consequence. Goku on the other hand is considered to be a god in the DBZ universe, he is the almighty, all powerful, and completely stupid hero of the show. Goku charges straight into a fight, and he is killed twice on the show. What kind of message are you sending to children when you show that you can just come back from the dead whenever you want?[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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