Queen Asuka Posted June 4, 2002 Author Share Posted June 4, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]That is a good point, that I never even considered. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I really like your point. Goku's a complete idiot anyway...and I think it's so stupid the way he is...but the message of that show is Perserverence and never give up! Eat beans and get stronger! Fight to the death! Peace forever! I was born as a Bastard because my mom and dad were short term lovers! YEAH![/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueGender Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 [SIZE=1]I am a fan of DBZ but am also a fan of more less known anime and am constantly trying to explain to Non-anime fans that DBZ and Pokemon are not the only two animes out their but their are many more animes which are less "kiddie" but they watch DBZ and see what is going on and think "oh this is so bad... all anime must be bad". I almost wish that DBZ and Pokemon never made it to the American shore just for giving all anime a bad name. But then I realize it is not fully DBZ fault most of it is the CN censors fault which did not leave in the full dialog to a point where the Japanese versions are almost completely different and got little kids into the show of violent tendancy because the dialog is less violent also if people watched it and heard the original Dialog translated they would see it is not a kiddie show and possibly get into it. But then Adult Swim which focuses on the more mature side of anime you see that it is not as big as Toonami because little kids hear the violent dialog and feel that it is not as cool as DBZ and Pokemon so they do not watch it. [/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 That is a good point.....I never really thought of that [Shyguy's post]. My brother's picked up some of those fighting moves from DBZ. The other day we were in the pool and he started saying "Kamehameha" really loud and doing the hand pose. People started looking at us (well, HIM....they were probable staring at me for a different reason O.o). It was embaressing... And at school all the little kids play DBZ....But I think that because DBZ looks so fake and deals with no real issues most of the time, most kids can tell not to take it seriously. But there are always a few who take it literally.......I remember one episdoe when Gohan got mad at his tutor, so he threatened him and started death-walking up to him. That could happen....it's saying "Beat people up when you get mad...". And then there's the fact that Gohan sneeks out of his house all the time, also that he doesn't finish the school-work his mom gives him.......but really, if their biggest weapon is an energy beam, I doubt a child will actually use one on the chool bully....o.O Little kids who watch Bebop probably wouldn't catch that part about consequences and such. They would probably just see Spike being cool with a gun. I doubt 4th graders would pick up on it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 4, 2002 Author Share Posted June 4, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]I think that it's the other way around, Blue Gender. Little kids hear that violent dialouge and it draws them in more. I remember watching Akira when I was very young and enjoying it because of the violence. And even if they did translate DBZ correctly, yeah there are some very perverse parts that are even in the manga and not in the show, but it was still be the same redundant plotless piece of junk, if you ask me..[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Oh yes, DB and DBZ have some really wrong things in the manga.... That doesn't make it more mature. It just makes it more inappropriate. But it's not like the perverted parts give it a plot or anything. And I don't think kids are turned off of a show when it has violent diologue. Like Queen Asuka said, it makes them want to watch it more. I think more plot is more boring for younger viewers. Littled kids always get restless when it's not action, action, action. Hey, maybe that's the key to DBZ's success. No plot=younger viewers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shy Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 [color=green]I agree, the "risque" parts of DBZ do not contribute to the story in any way. But many of these scenes feature some of the "weaker" characters, which creates a more fleshed out story. And I think that the plot is just as boring for viewers who [i]do[/i] understand the plot as it is for viewers who do not. Those who understand the plot realize how stupid and repetetive it is. And I think that 4th graders would understand the subtle messages and lessons in Bowboy Bebop, they would naturally absorb them without realizing that they had. Kids are smarter than they look, they are very fast learners.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by amiboshi [/i] [B]I mean, if a kid's mom smokes and drinks, and then they see it on TV, then it's REALLY making an example.[/B][/QUOTE] So blame the TV? You're neglecting the bigger problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i] [B] So blame the TV? You're neglecting the bigger problem here. [/B][/QUOTE] I meant that seeing it on TV as well in real life didn't help any to discourage the real problem. And that if there are already problems in the family, then they'll completely accept it when it's on TV. I also said that it's a person's choice, but young minds are impressionable, and can be swayed by examples, like on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hikaru Ichijyo Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Actually its a very interesting point you brought up Queen Asuka, about 2 weeks ago I was reading some news, when I came across a story of a 5 year old kid committing sucide, due to the fact he thought he would come back to life, just like in Dragon Ball Z! Now for all you younger board members out there, since I know we do draw quite a few of you at OB, please make sure you can distingush fantasy from reality, after all anime is in no way to be taking literally!;) Thats enough of my public service announcments for one day! As for Dragon Ball and all its incarnations, its pretty much a dead thing to the mature anime fans out there, actually I hope they pull DBZ off of cartoon network soon after the last episode! Its about time CN should ditch that show and attempt to bring in some true classics, and better anime shows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Hmm. I wonder if CN will EVER part with their golden show. I mean, you say "Toonami" and it will need the word "DBZ" to go along with it. CN has made a fortune off DBZ. It's gonna be pretty sad for CN after DBGT finishes. *Fake Sniffle* Eventually, it's ratings will go down after the last episode, and then we might get some decent shows on. [i]Maybe[/i].... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hikaru Ichijyo Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Hmm, you see the problem with Cartoon Network is the fact that they try basically to target the young audiences, so even if they pull off their "Golden Show" most likely they would put on something just as plot less or marketable toward young kids. Its a shame really, too bad no one is willing to give me enough money to start an anime channel or at least come to me for advice, I really would know what to put on it, and what to keep off it! But the chances for an anime network to appear are about the same as for dbz to be pulled off toonami practically zero! -___- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 I would love an anime network. All anime....all the time....*drool* But you're right...it'll probably never happen, unfortunately. CN could manaage to get something better, even if it is for the younger audiences. I mean, my brother like Outlaw Star, and that had plot. Hmm...I wonder what the next big hit will be on Toonami after DBZ.....I'm curious now. Surely they must have a backup plan for then GT ends....because the time will soon come! Actually, it could be another 2 years (maybe...) before GT totally finishes. Oh well. Who needs network anime anyway. The good stuff you have to buy...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 5, 2002 Author Share Posted June 5, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]No, I can see exactly where this is going to go. CN will never get rid of DBZ. After it finishes with DBGT, it will just re-air the entire series OVER again. That'll take long enough, and by the time GT ends, the fans will be BEGGING for it anyway. I just don't see the death of DBZ. Like all the characters on the show, it's just going to be re-incarnated, over and over and over.....it's hopeless... An all anime channel...in our wildest dreams, ifyou ask me. But you never know what could come about one day, as long as anime still gained popularity. The Action Channel does a pretty good job of showing alot of quality anime.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 [color=royalblue] I still can't find that channel on cable!!! Anyway, when I take down Bill Gates, after I study C++, and get all his money, I will invest it in Rick Hunter's anime channel! There's your source of money Kevin ;) [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 5, 2002 Author Share Posted June 5, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]Well, it's not on regular cable, it's on digital cable. You have to have all the extended movie channels. I believe that the Action Channel is one of the Encore movie channels, if my memory serves me correctly. So yah, I hope that is somewhat helpful to you.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Darn......I wish I had digital Cable now. But it costs more and I find most of the extra movie channels aren't much good.....I still wish I had that action channel.....^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 5, 2002 Author Share Posted June 5, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]The Action Channel is really awesome. They show all these awesome uncut movies, and sometimes they show anime series, like BubbleGum Crisis, and stuff like that. I have a LOT of movies taped off of there, a nice expansion to my anime collection, I must say :D[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i] [B][color=crimson][size=1]Well, it's not on regular cable, it's on digital cable. You have to have all the extended movie channels. I believe that the Action Channel is one of the Encore movie channels, if my memory serves me correctly. So yah, I hope that is somewhat helpful to you.[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue] I do have digital :( I just can't find it anywhere :bawl: [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juu Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 but, of course, dbz fans aren't the only ones that r like that u know. I know a couple o girls that think they know all there is to know about anime, just because they saw one or two ep. of tenchi muyo, and 4 ep of dbz, and they play the pokemon games on g-boy. The only name they know is goku and tenchi, and they think they know everything. I know dat because they even made a club called anime guru's club!!!! -_-' -people these days, nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekkyo Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 i cant say that i dont disagree with you. but the shows on CN are the only anime some people can watch! like me, i cant afford to go out and buy anime movies! as soon as i'm old enough to work, i'm going to invest some of my money into buying animes like Macross since i hear its so good, and a few others. but the whole plotless, fighting, yadda yadda thing about DBZ makes it appealing to watch it. come on, you have to admit when your really, really bored, and DBZ comes on, you might watch it because its entertaining. i mean, isnt that what anime and tv in general is about? to entertain? even if you sit there and mumble to yourself about how stupid it is and pointing out the flaws, your still being entertained. although the whole thing about all these DBZ "gurus" running around because they saw a few episodes. i got into a heated debate over Marron. not Krillin's daughter, but his um.. girlfriend. i had to explain to a friend of mine that the Garlic Junior Saga was just a filler until they can get the rest of the episodes up when Goku was still travling to earth when Namek was destroyed. i told him that Krillin had no other girlfriend before 18. and it really pissed me off. he was saying how he's been watching it for a year. i told him i'v been watching it for.. a little over 3 and half years and that i knew more than him. i actually go online to a good fan website and read about the anime shows i like. a lot of people dont do this. which is prolly why i'm just a bit more smarter on the whole DBZ thing when it comes to the normal mindless zombies. and i can prolly carry on a decent convo about DBZ to someone... but my point is that DBZ may give a bad name to anime, but at least people arent watching something Rocket Power on Nick or Scooby Doo on CN or some other incredebly stupid show. i know its very annoying when you see people rambling on about how cool Goku is or how cute Gohan has gotten, but you have to think back when you first started watching an anime series. you prolly thought you knew a lot about that particular anime, when in actuallity you didnt. some people just havent heard about the better anime series because no one has bothered to talk to them about it. and if they ignore you when you tell them, invite them to watch that show to see for themselves. THATS the way to get the interested. not to talk to them about it. trying to explain it. it is kinda boring. but watching the show its self helps. especialy a really mind-absorbing one. these little poser kinds are prolly just trying to make new friends. if you let them become friends with you, and you introduce them to better animes. i havent seen as many anime shows as i liked. when you guys talk about Escaflowne or Vampire Hunter D, i'm baffled. i have looked at some VHD tapes at SunCoast today and its kinda interesting so i might look into it. The better animes arent into the "mainstream anime" because they're keeping safe from being butchered. dubbed and subbed animes are some of the ONLY animes some peope (like me) can get their hands on. When i had the Action Channel i saw a few good anime movies. i saw part of Birdy the Mighty, Ghost in the Shell(sp?)(kinda boring to me), some movie about an android who wanted to become a bounty hunter, Princess Mononoke, and Tekken. but thats about it. you people have to realise that people arent as fortunate to find the better anime in life. some people might spend all eternity to hell watching DBZ. but as most people get older, they'll realise that there are better animes. most of the people the do watch DBZ are only.. 8-14 year olds. some older. my 20 year-old uncle and a few of my older cousins watch DBZ merely because its entertaining. i kind of hope you guys stop battering us DBZ fans because of how lame the show is. for most of us, its the first anime we really watched.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by amiboshi [/i] [B]I meant that seeing it on TV as well in real life didn't help any to discourage the real problem. And that if there are already problems in the family, then they'll completely accept it when it's on TV. I also said that it's a person's choice, but young minds are impressionable, and can be swayed by examples, like on TV. [/B][/QUOTE] Yes, obviously, you had already stated all that. Again, I'm telling you, you're neglecting the bigger problem here - it's not so much that the TV sways the kid in the wrong direction, it's that they're so sway-able from a ****** homelife in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i] [B] Yes, obviously, you had already stated all that. Again, I'm telling you, you're neglecting the bigger problem here - it's not so much that the TV sways the kid in the wrong direction, it's that they're so sway-able from a ****** homelife in the first place. [/B][/QUOTE] Forget it. I'm not even gonna talk about this anymore. YES, the household is the problem. But ya know what, I ALREADY KNEW THAT!!! Okay....I just meant....oops. Hee hee. I wasn't gonna say anything more. ^^ I know what you mean, Nekkyo, but we're not smashing DBZ fans, we're smashing the DBZ fans that think they know everything about anime. I got started on DBZ, and that's one reason I appreciate it. I totally loved DBZ at first, but I moved on. DBZ doesn't satisfy any plot cravings, and sometimes you just need a good, unrealistically innocent romance show to calm you down. Thank you DBZ. You've served your purpose. :toothy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Harris Posted July 13, 2002 Share Posted July 13, 2002 Dragon Ball Z is just an example of early American TV series. What testosterone driven boy didn't like to wake up in the morning to see Transformers or G.I.Joe. It's just food for the violent show. I love Dragon Ball Z but even I am not blind enough to not notice the flaws. It has potential plots that lack the kick they need to be cool, the main characters a moron in most cases, no romance (Vegeta and Bulma was no out of no where, which is a no-no even if Trunks was cool.), hours upon hours of pointless violence that goes nowhere, extremely long powering up scenes, etc. I could go on pointing out the shows flaws but I won't. Maybe I can start another thread for that topic (if the mod will let me. PLEASE). But then again most American companies would be nowhere without DBZ or Pokemon. With DBZ its sort of a love-hate thing. You either like the show or you don't. The animation is cool and some of the characters look great even if simplistic, not even thing anime has to be super-advanced-mecha or whatever. After all that's why Akira took ten years to finish. I do admit that DBZ was one of my first (Project Ako vs Battle 1 and 2 waas my official first anime) but I wasn't one to get into the show and think I knew everything. I loved it in the simpler days when everyone contributed. Now its super saiyan this, super saiyan that, oh look Goku has a new move...great. Or oh look Krillin's dead again. Sob. Let's go get the dragon balls. Goku does all the work and the other cool characters (especially Tien and Yamcha) are either weaklings or just not there anymore. Some characters are well developed like Vegeta but they are few and in between. And don't let me start on the villains. As for Dragon Ball Z not being a classic, it depends on your opinion. I believe most fans will still have it go down as one of the classics but I agree that it is not as great as AKIRA (AWESOME) or Vampire Hunter D(AWESOME) unless you compare the actual violence or attraction factors (which for Americans, plot is not one of). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angedramon Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 [COLOR=royalblue]I watch DBZ, but it's not the only anime I watch. I watch Zoids every morning and sometimes in the afternoon. DBZ was one of the first anime I saw, besides Sailor Moon. I've since gotten out of Sailor Moon since CN got rid of it. I don't have that much access to other anime, since I don't have a DVD player and there's no place around where I live that sells anime VHS. I don't get the Action channel either. I'll probably continue watching DBZ until we do get a DVD player, which will probably be around Christmas.[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted July 16, 2002 Author Share Posted July 16, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Nekkyo [/i] [B]...but my point is that DBZ may give a bad name to anime, but at least people arent watching something Rocket Power on Nick or Scooby Doo on CN or some other incredebly stupid show. i know its very annoying when you see people rambling on about how cool Goku is or how cute Gohan has gotten, but you have to think back when you first started watching an anime series. you prolly thought you knew a lot about that particular anime, when in actuallity you didnt. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=crimson][size=1]And I don't think there is anything wrong with the animated cartoons on other networks that aren't even anime. They aren't stupid and dumb like DBZ and their dubbing CAN'T suck because it's SUPPOSED to be in English. DBZ sucks. I AM bashing DBZ. I hate that show, it's a piece of crap, and I'll never understand how it got popular.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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