life

[Hyper]

i personal think that life is pointless.you live,you think,you die and there really is no place after and its only then when you have an idea that could change the world.why even bother with philosophy on existence? it wont even matter in the end. there is just probably some coincidence behoind it all.will power is only personal. it cant change most things.its an overall good experinace but where does the experiance go? obviously ppl need help. but how are the ppl who do this?what happened to the, you can give what you have but what if what you have is not enough.is it possible that everything was a mistake?what if everything is just a strong sense of existence in life that allows to think we exist but when thought gets out of controll so do we.
ok just to let you know i am not some freaky psychopath and i dont hate the world.i just feel that what wrote.

[PiroMunkie]

[color=indigo]I agree that life in the big picture is pointless. As you said: We live, we think, we die. From that perspective, life does look meaningless. That is why you have to look further into it though. Look at each individual moment. As someone said before: "It is the small things in life that count." Just look at the time you got your first crush on another person. You felt completely at ease, had butterflies in your stomach every time you talked to him/her, couldn't stop thinking about him/her at night... things like that. Even if he/she ended up liking some other guy, you still experienced how it feels to like someone and then felt the heartbreak of defeat. Then you learn from these feelings and experiences.

Though it may seem like a twisted idea, I think it would be interesting to take a person and use them as a science project, but never let them know about it. Then just let them grow up how they grow up. Then once they get to a certain age, brainwash them, whiping away their memory and lets them grow up again, and see what changes about them. And then with another person, do the same thing but put them in a different environment after you erase their memory and see if anything stays the same. Trying to prove or disprove that people are influenced by their surroundings.[/color]

[Hyper]

well my brother has (as a joke) dreams of being a communist slave driver...but on tlc they had this show where they took group of ppl in a party and thy had scientists spying on them.they found a scientific match for each person.then it turns out they all wnet to there scinetific matches.and started dating afterward.but yeah just the here you grow up changes evrything.and what actions around you. all amek you whp you are. but seeing how one thing make a person change is interesting.

Well i just notcied something ths is the first time a mod has actually AGREED with me.well maybe cera has once or twicwbut i thought that this was interesting.

[Anna]

Well I completely agree that people are influenced by their surroundings, it's been proven many times.

As for life being pointless, I disagree. I am going to assume (in other words I know I might not be correct) that you are between the ages of 10-20. I know I'm going to sound like a parent, but at this time frame in your life things are constantly changing- new experiences, learning a lot about how life really is in the 'real world', and more often than not you become a bit frightened, frightened life is only that which you have discovered thus far. And then you begin to ponder on whether living for what you've seen is worthwhile, and since it's natural to focus on the negative you become discouraged at the thought of working for nothing.

Think of it this way; putting away religious and philosophical views, life does have purpose. When you die, it's not the absolute end. The mark you leave on this earth when you die is what you live for. The relationships you make, the skills you excel in, the passions you lived for, all will influence others and the world around you in some way. What kind of influence do you want to leave behind? It's a complex and delicate tapestry everyone weaves throughout existence. One bind leads to another. If you set in your mind the unique design you want to contribute, and live for it, then your life won't be vain.

[Corey]

Now compared to a mod I'm a worthless piece of ****.
But take my theory to heart anyway.
I don't think there is any life. I think all of the human race is dead. Some gigantic cataclismac(spelling?) disaster happened and all of our conciousness' got caught in some strange phenomenon. This world and everything in it is nothing more than memories of our past. I know my theory is singularly bizzare but it is how I think. I may just have an overactive imagination and way too much time on my hands, but..... Hmmmmm. Wow that was a really good theory. Wow.

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DarkOrderKnight [/i]
[B]Now compared to a mod I'm a worthless piece of ****.
But take my theory to heart anyway.
I don't think there is any life. I think all of the human race is dead. Some gigantic cataclismac(spelling?) disaster happened and all of our conciousness' got caught in some strange phenomenon. This world and everything in it is nothing more than memories of our past. I know my theory is singularly bizzare but it is how I think. I may just have an overactive imagination and way too much time on my hands, but..... Hmmmmm. Wow that was a really good theory.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]No one ever said we are better than you.. where did you get that? :therock:

But yes, that is an interesting theory. [i]THEORY[/i] being the key word.. but interesting none-the-less... Not saying I believe it though :p Lol.[/color]

[Justin]

I disagree.

Life has meaning. You have to find the things that bring you joy. For me, it IS the simple things. I would just as soon sit on my porch and listen to the crickets at night as I would go on a safari or something special. Sure, it can seem(or even be) futile at times, but you have to try to live your life and enjoy living it. If you leave your mark on society in the process--good for you.

As for an afterlife, the existance or non-existance of that is disputable. But that is a whole other topic.

-Justin

[Treble]

I also disagree.

By thinking, people come up with new technologys and make the way life is today.

We people live with all different kinds of emotions throughout life, and as we grow up we learn how to deal with things in different situations.Its all the things you learn and had to deal with throughout life that makes life worth living for.

But anyways I think Anna and others pretty much covered up all the things well enough, all I got to say is live life the best you can and enjoy every moment of it.:)

[Kent]

ah yes.
treble and justin are on the right track.
my personal feellings are that this life has only as much meaning as you want it to.
i dont know about an after-life, but i do know that i can feel things phisically and in a more intangable way.
know one will ever be able to answer the ? of lifes meaning and origins.
i just want to make it count, not a big will when i die, but a legacy of love and friendship.
those may not mean anything in the life doesnt matter theory, but in my life and the lives of those i care for...
its all that matters, and always will matter.

[Transtic Nerve]

If life is the most complicated thing, and you find it to be simplistic and meaningless, then damn... you must be able to do and figure out ANYTHING!

Anyway... Life obviously has meaning.. everything has meaning... If you think the human life is meaningless, the what about the life of an ant?

Your life only has the meaning YOU give it... if you don't give it meaning, then yes, it's gonna be meaningless to you... and it's your own damn fault too.... You live, you die... With the giving of life comes death... Thats a given and something one should suspect....

[The Harlequin]

How can life have meaning, when it was an accident in the first place? (Can we keep the religous debate out of it) Life was a mere collection of chemicls combining in the perfect conditions at the wrong place and time. It spawned all this. Why is there purpose to anything? There is no such thing as purpose, things merely exist.

[Ravenstorture]

[color=darkred]The Vision of Endless Return:
Everything comes back without stopping.
If the universe had a goal, it would have already reached it.
If it had a motive, it would have already achieved it.
Finite are the elements that make up the universe, finite are the combinations that exist between them
Only time is endless.
Everything already existed and will exist again.

- Fredrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, 1878

Life may have no point, but neither do barbie dolls. When you way out the pro's and cons. Same goes for licorice, journalists and my father.

I like fish, though. Fish are good...[/color]

[Guest Voodookanaka]

fish?

Not really the religious debate is part of this, if u believe in life after death u see more meaning to life, whereas if u see just -end- then lifes short and pointless.Was it karl marx who said religion was created to keep the masses in line, give them beliefs and limit what they want out of life?
And as for philosophy :
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Immanuel Kant was a real piss-ant who was very rarely stable. Heideggar, Heideggar was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table.

David Hume could out-consume Schoppenhauer and Hegel. And Whittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel.

There's nothing Nieizsche couldn't teach 'ya 'bout the raising of the wrist. Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.

John Stewart Mill, of his own free will On half a pint of shanty was particularly ill. Plato they say could stick it away, Half a crate of whiskey every day.

Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle, And Hobbes was fond of his dram. And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart. 'I drink, therefore I am.'

Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed; A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed.
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And people are just product of their surroundings theres nothing more to it, ill think ull find theres much more evidence the other way. (nature nurture debate - fox, i just got an a for my sociology coursework in this) I have a few examples of this ill find them and post them up tonight.

-x-

[Ravenstorture]

[color=darkred]
Rene Descartes was a drunken fart. 'I drink, therefore I am.' (but what was the question?!?)
"Consumus Ergo Sium"

Ahh, yes... the Ultimate Answer. [/color]

[Spikey]

[COLOR=darkblue]I think that life as a lot of meaning to it. You can do amazing stuff sometimes. You don't just live and die. You live, do a lot of cool stuff. You might even become a hero while you're alive. And that's a good thing. There might e some pointless, and wasteless times. Like when you do something that is not that big, but you'll never do it again. That's a little pointless. But I think life has a lot of meaning to it.

When you put it like that, it doesn't sound right. You a part and time in your life where you have some fun. You can't leave that part out. And where you get on the computer. That ain't pointless at all. You have to have a job too. You make, help, or even do somegood stuff in your work. Like if you where a policemen. You could save someone. That's good. And making stuff, work on stuff, build stuff, help people. That's not a pointless. I hope you get what I am saying.[/color]

[The Harlequin]

You're looking at too small a picture. You can save a million starving children in Africa, but who does that effect the world as a whole? You help people who are as blind to the pointlessness of life as we are. Or on a universal scale. Aside fromt he Extrapolatio theory, whether people die, build bridges, burn them, slaughter a thousand innocents, nothing really changes. The world still spins around, eventually to be consumed. The stars still haunt the emptiness with their songs. Nothing ever changes.

[Ravenstorture]

[color=darkred]You do good deeds to make the world a better place, but what does that mean? What is "better"? Especially when it comes to the world. And once again we are brought back to the ramblings of my favorite philosopher Nietzsche, and his question of "what is good and what is evil?" because after all, it all comes back down to opinion......
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[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Harlequin [/i]
[B]You're looking at too small a picture. You can save a million starving children in Africa, but who does that effect the world as a whole? You help people who are as blind to the pointlessness of life as we are. Or on a universal scale. Aside fromt he Extrapolatio theory, whether people die, build bridges, burn them, slaughter a thousand innocents, nothing really changes. The world still spins around, eventually to be consumed. The stars still haunt the emptiness with their songs. Nothing ever changes. [/B][/QUOTE]

Thats the point.... Life has only the meaning you give it. Life has a meaning to you, your family, and your friends... and then ONLY if you work hard enough, it can have a meanng to a much larger audience. But life in general has a meaning to one's surroundings, not the world in a whole. If that were the case, the world would change every 5 seconds because what Billy over in New York does would effect the whole world one day and what Wei Ling over in China does would change the world the next day... it just won't happen... I think you are looking at it on too much of a broad scale... we live in communities, those communities make up a unity which we call a country, all countrys make up a unity we call the world. We can barely influence the community, let alone the whole damn world...

If life was meaningless, people like you would be dead.... why are you here? You must find SOME reason in living or you wouldn't be living anymore.... when you can answer that, maybe you'll find some meaning in life, even if it's just to one person... and that has the greatest meaning of all.

[Hyper]

Hey i didnt say i hated life. i love it.i was just searching for answers.life has the meaning you give it but exactly how do you make it the way you want it? There is no reset button.i mean living is it a privalage or a right? and if there is something after death why would living on this world help.there is much more happening than we understand.I want to know what i am up against.me against the world.there is one thing thta controlls and maybe it has nothing to do what we think.maybe we just live the way we would look at a family of beavers. and i guess "pointless" was to harsh a word. but i wonder what its all for.i mean we give what we have to pass on to the world. but then what does it do in the return. most people would probably say "it makes the world a better place" and end the conversation there. but what does a good place do in return? it makes people happy but is there something beyond that?

just to make it clear again i dint hate life and i am not some weird psychopath person.

[The Harlequin]

[quote]
[I]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/I]
If life was meaningless, people like you would be dead.... why are you here? You must find SOME reason in living or you wouldn't be living anymore.... when you can answer that, maybe you'll find some meaning in life, even if it's just to one person... and that has the greatest meaning of all.[/quote]

I am only living because I haven't gotten around to doing anything about that yet, and a certain curiousity. That is the only reason I have found besides Spyder yet, and curiousity is again only an opinion. What I'm saying is this. Does it matter if we are happy, sad, depressed, in constant pain, or anything else? Not really. It's just a mild thing, a few brain cells collecting impulses. It doesn't matter. It's all the same in the end. You live, you feel emotion, you die. Does it really matter which emotions in between you feel? Those with analytical minds don't even acknowledge emotion. They merely asses what they are feeling and then ignore it. Doesn't that show the emotions such as happiness are the fleeting results of an instinct set in place to keep the species alive, which is again pointless?

[Jamvis]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B]I disagree.

Life has meaning. You have to find the things that bring you joy. For me, it IS the simple things. I would just as soon sit on my porch and listen to the crickets at night as I would go on a safari or something special. Sure, it can seem(or even be) futile at times, but you have to try to live your life and enjoy living it. If you leave your mark on society in the process--good for you.

As for an afterlife, the existance or non-existance of that is disputable. But that is a whole other topic.

-Justin [/B][/QUOTE] my thoughts exactly... sure you may not see the point at first but youll understand...

God says we were here to experience life love hate and other things
(i gotta get that siggy fixed)

[The Harlequin]

[quote]
[I]Originally posted by Jamvis[/I]
God says we were here to experience life love hate and other things [/quote]

You're assuming that, even if God did create the universe (my belief that god does not exist is only personal opinion, I'm not trying to change anyone else's beliefs), he created as anything other than entertainment. And, you're assuming that God is something other than an entity dreamed up to control the masses.

[Ravenstorture]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HyperShadow [/i]
[B]just to make it clear again i dint hate life and i am not some weird psychopath person. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=darkred]Hey, what's wrong with being wierd and psychopathic?! :devil: [/color]

[Anna]

I like Transtic's responses, so pretty much everything he's said thus far are my thoughts exactly.

Apart from that: whether everything is just neurons creating impuses which in turn come to run countries and homes, or if life really is a step up from something left behind and a step below something greater that lies ahead, we're living it. Period. Make of it what you will- pointless, apathetic, or motivational that even though you can't change the economic stress of Etheopia you can make yourself and those you love feel happy. And if you don't love anybody, get off your arse and meet people. When you can, travel. Educate yourself, find passions, find what you don't like and then search for its opposite. Life is about the journey.

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Harlequin [/i]
[B]

I am only living because I haven't gotten around to doing anything about that yet, and a certain curiousity. That is the only reason I have found besides Spyder yet, and curiousity is again only an opinion. What I'm saying is this. Does it matter if we are happy, sad, depressed, in constant pain, or anything else? Not really. It's just a mild thing, a few brain cells collecting impulses. It doesn't matter. It's all the same in the end. You live, you feel emotion, you die. Does it really matter which emotions in between you feel? Those with analytical minds don't even acknowledge emotion. They merely asses what they are feeling and then ignore it. Doesn't that show the emotions such as happiness are the fleeting results of an instinct set in place to keep the species alive, which is again pointless? [/B][/QUOTE]

Like I said before... your life is what you make of it... your life is no one elses... it's yours... what you do, what you feel, what you see, what you smell, whatever you do... it's yours... and thats what makes your life... now you may live for your own self pity or own self intrest and not care about others, or you may live to help others in their life... or do both... If you feel your life is meaningless, then it probably is, because it's your life.... You have complete control over it and if it's meaningless, then so be it.... Go ahead now and live your meaningless life....