Pakistan, India and that little nuclear mistletoe hanging over our heads

[Guest Saiyangohan2002]

I have been Wondering about certain world events Recently...

A Recent world event has me thinking. It is the current crisis in Pakistan/India. If these countries were to push the nuclear button, It would be world war 3. No doubt about it!

If there were enought nuclear weapons released, we would be sent into a nuclear winter. a dark Holocaustic planet. Could we even survive?

See. A world war 3 would mean all the nuclear nations letting fly of their "goods" India, Pakistan, Russia, The USA, China, Iraq

I would like to know approximately how many nuclear weapons need to be released for a nuclear winter to ensume. I really fear for the safety of the planet when these Arabic Countries are talking war.

What would you do in the event the bomb dropped?

-Saiyangohan ?2002? (get the 2002 out!)

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]Well. That Would Suck.

Someone Will Have To Fire A Nuke At Someone Else Eventually.

What Happens, Happens.[/color]

[Guest Padme Amidala]

Yeah, it does sound kind of scary....but another world war? I doubt it....all that would happen would be their buisness and if other countries are stupid enough to join in, then that's their fault...their missiles are too weak to cause any severe damage that would effect China or other surrounding countries...sure, maybe a little bit of radiation might hit them, but it proably won't be strong enough to hurt anyone. India has better weapons than Pakistan anyway, but I think they're planning a treaty before they start blowing each other up. It's none of our buisness (the USA) if India and Pakistan want to blow each other up, not unless they start bombing us, which is very unlikely since they'd have to fly into the country because they don't have any nuclear weapons with enough thrust or whatever to reach us. Anyway, India is supposed to be our allies. I say let them do whatever they want, just as long as it dosen't effect us. I'd love to get all the innocent people out of those countries and save them, but that's never going to happen. I have a lot to say about the war on terror, but some people here might cut my head off.

[Flash]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Padme Amidala [/i]
[B]Yeah, it does sound kind of scary....but another world war? I doubt it....all that would happen would be their buisness and if other countries are stupid enough to join in, then that's their fault...[/B][/QUOTE]

Stupid enough to join in? What makes joining a peace-keeping effort to stop two countries damaging the earth and killing millions of innocent people [i]stupid[/i]?

[QUOTE][B]..their missiles are too weak to cause any severe damage that would effect China or other surrounding countries...[/B][/QUOTE]

Well what do you define as 'severe damage'? I consider anything causing any loss to human life to be 'severe damage'... And I know that nuclear missiles are all to capable of doing that.

[QUOTE][B]sure, maybe a little bit of radiation might hit them, [/B][/QUOTE]

Oh yeah, like that matters. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE][B]but it proably won't be strong enough to hurt anyone.[/B][/QUOTE]

Nuclear radiation is [i]bad[/i]. It hurts people. And if there's a war, they're not gonna be bombing empty fields...

[QUOTE][B]India has better weapons than Pakistan anyway, but I think they're planning a treaty before they start blowing each other up. It's none of our buisness (the USA) if India and Pakistan want to blow each other up, not unless they start bombing us,[/B][/QUOTE]

What!? Anything to do with Nuclear arms/Nuclear war should be [i]everybodies[/i] business... So what you're saying is, if the USA doesn't get bombed, you don't care? That's just... So wrong..

[QUOTE][B]which is very unlikely since they'd have to fly into the country because they don't have any nuclear weapons with enough thrust or whatever to reach us.[/B][/QUOTE]

It could also be unlikely due to this thing called 'lack of motive'...

[QUOTE][B]Anyway, India is supposed to be our allies. I say let them do whatever they want, just as long as it dosen't effect us. [/B][/QUOTE]

I am speechless. That is the most selfish, arrogant opinion I've ever heard... 'Letting them kill each other with Nukes is fine, as long as the USA is Okay.. Screw the world, only [i]we[/i] matter!'
If that's your opinion, then seriously, get a reality check...

[QUOTE][B] I'd love to get all the innocent people out of those countries and save them, but that's never going to happen. I have a lot to say about the war on terror, but some people here might cut my head off.
[/B][/QUOTE]

Well if your views on Afghanistan are anything like your views on this.. Then I can see why you wouldn't want to post your opinions...

[Guest cloricus]

I really don't think they would be so stupid, but if they do where ****ed. Hopefuly they are smarter for all our sakes.

[conpiracymonki]

[b]Pakistan is not an arab country, it's a Muslim country[/b]

[Sui Generis]

Look the way I see it is WW3 is coming fast. The Middle east is just a time bomb ready to explode. And with the US interfering its not making matters any better ( Not sayingwe are wrong for helping). I think its gonna happen pretty soon within the next 20 years my guess would be, god lets hope not, maybe we can avoid it like when did When the Cold War came around. But we must rememer with better weapons comes better defense, personally I feel decently safe in America. I mean if we would wake up we could be extremely fortified what iwth the two oceans and allys north and south of us. *shrugs* If WW3 happens Einstein will be proven right. Who knows what it will be faught with but WW4 will be faught with sticks and stones...

[The Harlequin]

If this does break out into war, chances are this will be the war that proves the theory that sentience is self-destructive right. If nuclear war does break out, and other countries are drawn in, especially other nuclear powers, there would be very few survivours on any side. How ironic. That two disagreeing nations should sow the seeds for the mass-slaughter of huge portions of mankind.

[Transtic Nerve]

I think you all assume too much... as well as expect too much...

Who in their right mind would want a nuclear war... oh yeah, NOBODY... Pakistan and India... yeah... India may have alot of people.. but Pakistan is like... "where is that country?"... It would be a waste of time, mone, and value... No one wants Nuclear War... I don't ever think a Nuclear Bomb, which if one was smart, they wouldn't use, will ever be used again.... we have carbon and hydrogen bombs that do 10 times the damage of nuclear bombs... and even if one of them used nuclear bombs... well... that would be incredibly stupid...

[James]

[color=coral]People who instantly say "WW3 is coming" annoy the hell out of me. It's like you [i]want[/i] WWIII to come.

India and Pakistan are both very short sited countries. Their Governments are too busy considering who gets Kashmir, rather than what the actual people in Kashmir want.

Many in Kashmir apparently want the territory to become an independant country...with neither Pakistan nor India controlling it.

I think this is the best option. If either side can't work out who should have the territory...then nobody should...[/color]

[Kei]

If India and Pakistan were to fire off nuclear weapons, it's true that war would probably break out, not that I want it to. Nobody does. All the major players would get involved, (China, US, Russia, etc.) and then the world would really be in trouble. We've been learning about the Indian-Pakistani conflict in World History class, and basically India and Pakistan are fighting for a small country between them called Kashmir, which is pretty dumb because Kashmir holds no real weight in the world. The whole country is just mountains, and there's no way to grow anything there because of the freezing temps. Both countries say they want it for religious reasons. They've already fought three wars over Kashmir already, so I figure they're saying "What's one more?" Neither side wants to lose, but I think that they should at least try to split the country equally or make a truce about it so that this nuclear threat crap can stop.

[Mist]

Hah! WWIII! Yeah right. I'm not exactly saying that there's [i] never[/i] going to be a war in the near future, but calling all of what's going on WWIII? It could be a trigger, but not a war of full-scale. I don't think it will ever be a war of full scale. If you haven't noticed, the Middle East have been feuding since the beggining of history. I agree with Lady Katana that the should just spilt Kashmir up.
Oh, yes, by the way Flash, thank you for pointing out those "opinions" of Padme's. I fully and completely agree with you. What she said was totally ridiculous and I'm not testing your morals or anything, Padme, but what kind of stuff do you smole and if it messes you up that bad, share some! [b](NOT...)[/b]

[Sui Generis]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]
[B][color=coral]People who instantly say "WW3 is coming" annoy the hell out of me. It's like you [i]want[/i] WWIII to come.

India and Pakistan are both very short sited countries. Their Governments are too busy considering who gets Kashmir, rather than what the actual people in Kashmir want.

Many in Kashmir apparently want the territory to become an independant country...with neither Pakistan nor India controlling it.

I think this is the best option. If either side can't work out who should have the territory...then nobody should...[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

Actually I see your point, its very true too...

[Justin]

I somehow doubt that either side would launch a nuclear strike on a country right next door to them. I [b]hope[/b] people aren't that stupid.

Either way, India and Pakistan are like Palestine and Isreal: It's going to happen whether the rest of the world likes it or not. They'll fight eventually, but I don't expect to see WWIII [b]or[/b] a nuclear strike of any kind when that happens.

But if there were a danger of nuclear strike, I would like to see George W. try to avert the threat with military force if need be. Even if it meant war with one or both of the threatening countries. We(the US and all Allied Nations) simply should not allow a nuclear war to take place.

-Justin

[Guest Padme Amidala]

I wasn't trying to say that I don't care about anyone, I guess I was a little misunderstood. I don't want anyone to die, I was trying to look at the bright side of things, like having India as our allies or something. The innocent should all be moved to a safer place, I know, but how are we going to get over like 500 million people out or those countries out of harm's way. If you don't like my comments Final Flash, well, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be selfish or even sound that way, I do care about the whold world...anyway, I was writing that at 2:00 AM so don't think I'm some heartless beast. It seems like you're the only one who thinks i'm some evil bastard. C'mon, everyone has the right to express their beleifs. I'm not trying to make any enemies......I'm still an newbie who dosen't understand some of the people here....now I know not to ever say anything around you....I don't want you getting mad.

[Hyper]

well if it does happen the country that started this will have there own downfall. the president will make some foolish move. and get evry thing screwed. then its a race back to the top country then as the years go by power hungryness = hate.wwIV. we wont ecven survive. it probaly wont happen unless evrything goes wrong. if they get caught in nuclera war we just have to hope bush doesnt try and be a hero.there are wyas to help fighting countries without attacking them before it leads to more and more conflicts.

[Kent]

the threat is real.
on my scale of 1-10 its a .... 5.
seems like it could go either way.
contray to what others say; i say the u.s. stays out.
if they want to fight let them. if they go nuke...
heres my idea. an unconditional threat to both nations that no matter who goes first or who does what.
the nation (if not both) to use nukes, will recieve just that from their uncle sam.
only we woulnt be any where around when it goes off.
unlike the 2 countries in the subject, the usa is no where near.
pakistan and india are right next to one another. they only need little medium range missiles to deliver these weapons to one another, but the u.s.a. we're on the other side of the world.
and unlike them, we can make that shot.
so before anyone strikes i say we let them know that it doesnt end there, and that kind of move will infact only be ensurring their own demise.
i also want to say that no one should use these weapons. u.s., china, iraq, india, russia, pakistan, north korea, tiawan...
who ever, just dont let this happen.
be honest with yourselves about the world and hope for the best.

[Red]

[B]I find this WWIII business to be a bit too over the top. India and Pakistan are at a very tense time, but even if it did resort to war a nuclear bomb is a very silly thing to rely on. Why lose millions of lives over territory? I find it pointless and very sad that a person would resort to that....[/B]

[Roxie Faye]

Yes, a WWIII? PUH-LEASE. Get real. People were saying that WWIII or an apocalypse was going to happen after 9/11 but it never did. I highly doubt it will happen with this conflict.

I don't think any country would be stupid enough to usenuclear weapons. Even those countries you think are stupid, I think they at least know not to use a nuclear bomb. They know the affects of the radiation. Heck, even today, Japan still has the affects of it(and I feel bad for them).

[VP-Master]

As many ppl have already, the nuclear bombing is merely a threat. India and Pakistan have been in similar situations before and its basically that both sides have their gun's ready but neither of them are gonna pull the trigger right now. Recent actions from both countries do make it rather alarming. With part of my family that is currently living in India, I just really hope they don't errupt in war.

[PiroMunkie]

[color=indigo]Ugh... I doubt WWIII will actually happen. And even [i][b]IF[/b][/i] it did. It would be those two countries that most likely started it (India and Pakistan). Even then, they have plenty of nuclear weapons. Using them would be the catalyst of WWIII. And being that they have a lot of these weapons, it would be useless to even try and stop everything after they have used them. There would be a nuclear fallout and we would all die anyway. We would all go the way of the dinosaur.[/color]

[Corey]

[B][FONT=century gothic][SIZE=3][COLOR=darkblue]I really think that all wars would be better if everyone fought them the way they did in the old world years ago. Two opposing armies stood on opposite sides of a field. They rushed toward eachother with swords drawn and shields raised. They would crash into eachother and fightout the battle and both sides would have virtually no people left. If wars were fought like that nowadays everyone would have enough sence not to do it. But now everyone sits behind computer screens and pushed missile launching buttons.
Hmmmmmm...
Why don't people have enough sence to not push the button anyway.....[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B]

[Kent]

sorry but they wouldnt have the sense not to go across that field with the sword.
they didnt then and they wouldnt now.
unfortunatly, there are some things that must be done.
when war is a thing that doesnt have to be done, the world will be at peace; and we woulnt have people dying everyday just because human rights arent being protected.
unfortunatly, pakistan and india are fighting out of selfish religous reasons and not over a dispute that has a right and wrong.

[Guest Obi-Wan]

Yes, the thing between India and Pakistan is very real. If they fired their nukes...well we don't reall know what will happen. Im sure ALL major powers of the world, know the effects of a nuclear war. And I think that they would try anything to avoid a nuclear war, i.e not using their own nukes. Well, thats just my opinion.

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DarkOrderKnight [/i]
[B][B][FONT=century gothic][COLOR=darkblue]I really think that all wars would be better if everyone fought them the way they did in the old world years ago. Two opposing armies stood on opposite sides of a field. They rushed toward eachother with swords drawn and shields raised. They would crash into eachother and fightout the battle and both sides would have virtually no people left. If wars were fought like that nowadays everyone would have enough sence not to do it. But now everyone sits behind computer screens and pushed missile launching buttons.
Hmmmmmm...
Why don't people have enough sence to not push the button anyway.....[/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]Not too much mention that would also help with the over-population problem. Though, do you [i]know[/i] how many people would die? Just imagine the size of a countries army.. then wipe it out. That is a LOT of people. I think too many people would be afraid to do it anyway. It is like sending your men out on the front line..[/color]