amiboshi Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 Oh yeah, it wasn't Amiboshi's fault. Indirectly, meaning he really had nothing to do with it whatsoever... I was wondering that, too. How could Suboshi no longer feel Amiboshi's life force if he wasn't dead? I mean, even if he was knocked out, his life force would still be there, and like you said, Suboshi had no right to blame Tamahome for Amiboshi's "death". I mean, Tamahome had nothing to do with Ami's "death". None of them did, and the slaughter of Tamahome's innocent family was completely uncalled for. Suboshi was so stupid to do that. He took his own pain and passes it onto Tamahome even stronger. Soboshi should have been more sensative about the death of family members, but then I guess he wouldn't be the villain..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxmagentaxX Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 the only reason anyone is ever evil is becasue they either want revenge or are just plain crazy.... I mean Amiboshi, Suboshi, Nakago and Soi are the only ones that have reasons to be villains.... They have all suffereed because of Kutou and have been fed lies about how if Suzaku is summoned that Konan would take over everything... where it is the exact opposite... I mean The Twins parents were killed by Kutou soliders, Nakago's mom was kind of.... well its their fault.... and Soi I just feel sorry for her, she was sold by her own parents to a brothel and was forced to be a child prostitute until Nakago saved her.... and Soi loved him becaseu of that.... So they wanted Revenge on the people that they were working for...and that was actually nakagos intention.. he gave a whole speech about it right before he killed Hotohori.... how he had taken all of the Kutou soliders from the country and left only a few thousand in the capital and how they would do whatever Nakago said and Hotohori was all shocked and asked Why he would kill his own empoerer.... and Nakago just smirked... so everyone was kind of on the same side.. they were all against Kutou.... they just couldn't get along.... does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxmagentaxX Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 also did youi know that nakago is Yuu Watase's favorite character... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Yeah, they all had good reasons, I guess. But everyone suffers at least once in their life, so it just depends on the person about whether or not they'll go all crazy about it. They were evil becuase they were all tortured and they decided to hold a huge grudge and kill people. ^^ If everyone decided to kill the people who mad them suffer, then there wouldn't be very many people in this world..... I didn't know Nakago was her favorite....that's interesting. She also said she really like Miaka's brother and that she would date him if he was real. ^^ BTW, you should have edited that post, Forest Pixie...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxmagentaxX Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Yuu Watase loves Nakago... If anyone has the 2nd artbook look on the back cover... there is a REALLy pretty pic of Nakago.... and in her manga's Mint de Kiss me.... and another one I can't remember.. but she has this short story called "Hang in there Nakago" and it is a parody of FY, and the Twins are lovers and so are Keisuke and Tetsuya....it is SO funny... and its about how Nakago is this newbie actor...and the FY cast were so mean to him.... and they said that since Nakago wasn't a mean enough villain they hired Tenkou who was a real baddie,, and they gave him long hair but he was actually bald.... its funny you should all read it.... yeah and sorry for not editing my post... i was in a hurry.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 26, 2002 Author Share Posted June 26, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]Yeah, all of the people in Fushigi Yugi have suffered. If you want to look at it from the angle of all the pain that Amiboshi, Suboshi, Nakago, and Soi suffered making them villians, well you also have to look at it this way. Tamahome's family is very poor. They are always targeted. His whole entire family eventually gets slaughtered. He gets made into a bad guy. He inflicts enormous amounts of pain on his one true love and his comrads, but he's not a villian. Hotohori lost his family and was raised as the Emperor at a very young age. He lost the only woman he ever loved to another man who was supposed to become his comrade and suffered emotional pain because of it. He wasn't a bad guy. Chichiri killed his very best friend because he stole his fiance and has the most horrible scar ever (Of course, that scar is very appealing to his character...) and he's not a villian. Mitsukake lost his lover to a disease and he barely missed her, and he could have saved her life. He felt guilty about that and suffered and suffered. He's still a protagonist. See, I could go on and on, but I think you see my point, right?[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Yes, just because you suffer doesn't mean you turn and evil and everything. It's up to the person and depends on what their reaction is. Just because all the villains suffered doesn't give them an excuse to go slaughtering innocent people. It's just a fact or a detail about them. They were just evil people, that was the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 26, 2002 Author Share Posted June 26, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]Actually I think the real reason why they were evil is because Yu Watase really couldn't have a series without a few antagonists, don't you think? I don't know if there's such a story where it was all good guys and nothing happened to them and they had no opponents or adversaries and just went along their business as they please. Now if these were actually real people, we could do some thought analysis and think like the psychiatrist inside, but yeah. They were just figments of one lady's imagination and she could make them exactly how she wanted them to be. I just thought that was a slightly funny point to notice.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxmagentaxX Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 it's impossible to have a series without a villain... because then there would be no story But Yuu Watase is great at making Villlains.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 26, 2002 Author Share Posted June 26, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]OF COURSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE! THAT WAS MY WHOLE ENTIRE POINT! *falls over laughing* Yeah, I agree, I do like her villians because each of them were unique in their own way. I especially liked Suboshi and Tomo. Suboshi because he was VERY cutesy and he was just crying out for help and he was so young and evyerhting, and then Tomo because he was just weird..plus he was a homosexual, so that added a weird touch to his character and the series. So yeah...[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxmagentaxX Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 ok.. new subject.... um.... I want the Eikouden OVA's..... Has anyone else heard of them? Cuz suprisingly not alot of people have.... I am going to see them at Anime Expo next week.... They are beased on the 2 Eikouden novels and there are 4 eps and it takes place 3 years after the last OVA's and everyone is being reborn and Taka and Miaka get married... so anyone?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 26, 2002 Author Share Posted June 26, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]No, I haven't heard of those, but it sounds pretty interesting. Although it would suck if they weren't real and it was just a rumor started by some fan, like all those DBV rumors that a new series of DB is coming out. (That was one of the funniest things I had heard in a LONG time...) So yeah, do you have any links that might be worthy to prove to us that what you are talking about truly exists?[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 I haven't heard of those, although I wasn't really too impressed by the 1st and 2nd FY OVAs. I mean, they were good, but they were no where near the quality of the actual series. Still, I'd love it if they were released here in the US. More FY is always appreciated. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxmagentaxX Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 yes it is a real thing i have screen caps and have actually saw the dvd at kinokuniya.... so yea it isn't a rumor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 27, 2002 Author Share Posted June 27, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]The OVAs didn't disappoint me because the animation was so pretty and it was an extension to the storyline, so you did get to see what happened to Miaka and Tamahome after the end of the series. I liked them. Of course, I want to see what's going to happen afterwards since those are the only two OVAs that I've seen. But I know they sell all of them at Media Play, so yeah.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxmagentaxX Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 the OVA's were kinda screwed up the 5th episode of the 2nd ova... the one about Chichiri was messed up they screwed up what they had already established about what had happened to Chichiri.. i mean in the series they said that he stabbed hikou but in the ova they changed all that and said that there was this whole flodd and how Chichiri was trying to save Hikou and how a log hit him int he face leaving the scar.... but the NEW Eikouden OVA's aren't going to to be released by Pioneer til next year.. which is stupid considering that the Japanese relase DVD has a dub track on it already.... but they won't release it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 27, 2002 Author Share Posted June 27, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]Are you sure that was in the second OVA? Because I have that volume and I seriously dont' remember that. Yeah, I hate it when they screw up history like that. And by the way, since we're now on the topic of Chichiri, how did he get the scar just from killing his best friend? Did his best friend try to fight back? Or did he do it to himself? And what exactly happened to his fiance after all this happened?[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 It was the second tape of the 2nd OVA. The Third tape total.... I thought Chichiri sliced his eye so that he wouldn't forget what he had done after killing his best friend. That's what they made it sound like, at least. But yeah, they changed it in the OVA. I noticed that, too. I never heard anything about a flood before that.... I don't know what happened to his Fiancee after that. In the OVA they said she left because she had such a good heart that she couldn't stand feeling like she had cheated, or something along those lines..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 27, 2002 Author Share Posted June 27, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]I was about to say, if she had such a good heart, she wouldn't have cheated on her FIANCE with his BEST FRIEND! That is about the lowest thing you can do. Friends should NEVER cross that line. I almost wish that was a sub-story to Fushigi Yugi so I could see exactly how that happened. How the girl or the guy seduced one or the other behind Chichiri's back. That is the most evil thing you could do. I don't even think Nakago is capable of the same sort of evil such as emotional detachment...on second thought...Yes he is....*laughs*[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 Actually, the OVA was pretty in-depth when they talked about it. Chirchiri's friend said they were all so close, and they all kinda loved each other. And Chichiri's friend said he made her do it, because his friend had just gotten selfish and he had to have her. He said he was the one who ruined everything. Um....I'm pretty sure that's what he said... O.o But Chichiri and his friend finally got their own time to tell us their story. It was very sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxmagentaxX Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 But I dont think that they should have changed Yuu Waatse's original story..it made it all terribly confusing.... and about the OVA... there are 2 the first has 3 episode the 2nd has 6, so pioneer put it on 2 tapes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 2 OVAs or 2 tapes? There are 3 tapes total for the 2 OVAs. The first one is Illusions, the second is memories, and the third is Reflections. It was confusing, changing the details of Chichiri's past and all. I didn't like that very much...... Actually, I thought I just had my facts wrong when I saw the 3rd tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxmagentaxX Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 yea so did I.. and then I remembered that the directors messed it all up... cuz Yuu Watase has nothing like that in the manga whatsoever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted June 29, 2002 Author Share Posted June 29, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1]There are three tapes...which makes three OVAs. Geez, no wonder you people have been confusing me so much. I haven't seen that volume. I don't have the third one yet. And by the way, it's not like "they" messed up Yu Watase's original story when they made the OVAs because it's her series and I believe she wrote the OVAs, too. If you must prove me wrong, then you must show me hard facts. I think that maybe they weren't supposed to contradict, but maybe the dubbing was just crappy on that part in the translation.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiboshi Posted June 29, 2002 Share Posted June 29, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i] [B][color=crimson][size=1]There are three tapes...which makes three OVAs. Geez, no wonder you people have been confusing me so much. I haven't seen that volume. I don't have the third one yet. And by the way, it's not like "they" messed up Yu Watase's original story when they made the OVAs because it's her series and I believe she wrote the OVAs, too. If you must prove me wrong, then you must show me hard facts. I think that maybe they weren't supposed to contradict, but maybe the dubbing was just crappy on that part in the translation.[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]Well, as a matter of fact, I actually saw that one subtitled. ;) There are 2 OVAs, 3 tapes. Lol. The first ova has 3 episdoes, and the 2nd OVA had 6 episodes (the last 2 tapes). Ack....this is confusing.... If Yu Watase wrote the OVA, maybe she just forgot what she had decided earlier, or she just wanted to change it. I mean, lots of stories contradict themselves. Heck, even the Bible contradicts itself sometimes. So maybe she just wanted to change her original story for Chichiri's past..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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