Guest cloricus Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Well if you haven't heard. (Or had your head under a rock for a while.) If you look up at night you will be able to see a bright thing flying past really fast. This is the International Space Station Freedom. It is mainly owned by America and Russia. (Despite what they tell the rest of the world.) Now this station is costing allot of money each year, but is also helping find ways to live in space long term. This inturn would help us get of this planet. (Earth) This is a good idea because the more spread out the human race is, the less chance there is that we could all be wiped out by a rouge astroid or catastrophic disease. What do you think, is it worth spending the endless billions on these's programs or use them in other areas back on earth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 [font=gothic]No, it isn't. If they're going to put money into anytype of space mission, it should certianly not be some satellite that just orbits the earth. It's definately wise to spend money on space, but keeping Space Stations up is right now an economic waste.[/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Do you know what a space station is Harleqiun? It is not just a satellite. I think you sould find out more before stating that sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstorture Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 [color=darkred][size=2][font=gothic][I]I do not think that we should colonise space. If there are too many of us to fit in the home our Lord has granted us with, then we should try and fix the problem withing ourselves, not go against the way of the Lord. Why do we explore different planets when our own oceans are adept with mystery? Why must we seek what the Lord does not wish for us to have? He is not proud of what we are doing. I believe it is wrong. As for people who are worried because they don't know what side to take, ask yourself this - What would Jesus Chicken do?[/I][/font][/size][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 [font=gothic]Let us get relative, if you will. The satellite we are referring to has a deep space capability of what? Exactly. Now, if we are going to go into space at all, the best bet would be a deep space mission. We've already established that the other planets in our solar system are currently uninhabitable, and will not be for a while. Or if we are not doing it for colonisation purposes, then the idea flies out the window, because the entire thing is useless. Take your pick.[/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Harlequin, ISS Freedom was the launch pad for the Ion drive, which has massive deep space capabilities. If it wasn't for ISS that would of taken years longer. ISS is a start, treat it like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstorture Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 [color=darkred][font=gothic][size=2] As for Harlequin... was that directed at me? Did you even [I]read[/I] my last post? Why is nobody commenting on my behaviour? What is going on?[/size][/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 [font=gothic]Would you like us to find the multiple ones in your posts? Anyway... Raven, I didn't comment on yours because we were posting at the same time. Personally, I wouldn't comment on it anyway. You never break the illusions opf crazy people... Yes cloricus, it was a start. That's the point. Okay, it's started, so what now, why, we keep at the start of course! No, we move on. The ISS was useful, as far as it went, but really, isn't it time for something new.[/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 You both have spelling mistakes; you keep on giving me this "I'm better than you" **** from both of you. But more from Raven. And a few weeks ago you where pissed at me because you thought I was better than you. Get a ****ing life and leave me alone and stop spaming my thread. ISS isn't even built yet? I'm not talking about MIR. And new ideas for deep space travel cost and are hard to test; we need ISS to test them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Newt Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 I think it is a stupid idea because by the time they manage to actually colonize the moon or mars or whatever, all three of you, and me will be long bloody dead. So this space station would not benefit any of you at all. Not even babies that are just being born would be alive to see the moon or mars colonized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 They plan to have moon base 1 built and running in 2030. (Which in nasaspeak means 2060.) But it could possible; look at the way tech is advancing. Take PDA's for an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Newt Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Even if they did manage to colonize the moon. Who would be able to go there? Scientists and Astronauts and important people like taht. And even if they were allowing normal people to go there, how much would it cost? $100,000 , $1, 000, 000? Only the rich would be able to go. And in 2060 none of us now would be in a good enough condition to space travel. And also, the colony would only be an experiment. What would happen if there was an air leak? Or if something exploded? It is way to dangerous for my liking. I would rather die a nice normal death than axphyxiate out in lonely space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 This sort of tech should advance in the future to make it cheaper and easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Newt Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Yes, but. That is way off into the future. Starting out they will make it painfully expensive. And once it does become cheap and easy, some Texas millionaire wanting a new ivory backscratcher will just keep jacking up the prices. It is, at the moment, still a bulls**t idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9mm Avenger Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i] [B]You both have spelling mistakes; you keep on giving me this "I'm better than you" **** from both of you. But more from Raven. And a few weeks ago you where pissed at me because you thought I was better than you. Get a ****ing life and leave me alone and stop spaming my thread. [/B][/QUOTE] *sigh*This may be spam, but it needs to be said. This isn't a good way to solve problems, cloricus. Telling people to f**k off, and get a f**king life dosen't solve anything. Those two junior members are entitled to thier opinion, no matter how off-topic, stupid or utterly useless it may be. Anyways, with that out of the way, I want to duscuss the ISS. Let me get this right. America and Russia are building a Space Station that we can live on, when both of their countries are in deep money trouble? Russia, in case you've been watching the birds in a drugged-out stupor, is, as everyone knows, in deep money trouble. America...Well, the spent billions on the weapons that will wipe us all out, and even more to boost their economy. This will set the project back a while. I think it's more important to cure desieses, solve world hunger, catching Osama Bin Laden(how can he hide so good?!), and finally getting rid of fossil fuels. We should clean up our own mess before we go f**k up space. How would you like rampant desieses, hunger and massive ammounts of garbage everywhere we go? As a species, I think even pigs are cleaner than us, despite how we think. Also, would any aliens like to meet a bunch of Planet-hopping trash-spreaders? Unless they were like Hutts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char! Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 [color=teal][size=1]Well, I think it's a good, if not great idea. We've pretty much discovered all there is to know about Earth. The only true option left is space. I mean, think about it. People are talking about colonizing Mars, and the moon. That's just an awesome idea. Think about what they're actually saying: Putting people on other planets. Planets! Entire places like Earth, as big as Earth. I sure hope it's a success. And this whole ISS Freedom thing will only bring us closer to that goal. I think both America, Russia, and all the other involved countries should continue to give their all to the unifying cause. Okay, I'm done now. [/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Newt Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Char! [/i] [B][color=blue][size=1]Well, I think it's a good, if not great idea. We've pretty much discovered all there is to know about Earth. The only true option left is space. [/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE] That is bull. There are millions of things we don't know a bout Earth. Especially in what Majora's Mask said. We haven't cured all of the diseases and other bad stuff like that. We should clean up our own mess until moving on. I am 100% against this until Earth cleans up their act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 I am content to stay on this terestrial place for a while. I really don't believe there is any chance of NASA or the Russians or whoever colonizing the moon untill we have some sort of energy barrier like they do on Startrek. Thousands of meteorites and meteors pound the moons surface everyday. I don't believe any kind of alloy we have now (or in 60 years) will stop a meteorite going thousands of miles an hour. Like The Unholy Newt stated, I too would rather die on earth than on the moon. The ISS is also a bad idea, as a deep space exploration tool at least. Ion drive or not, by the time it gets far enough out to actually discover somthing we will have something better and faster that's already, or very close to, being there in half the amount of time it took the ISS. As a station to help humans adapt to space living, it's a wonderful idea... For people that can pay for it. I, and most of my friends, will never be able to pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 I was going to say I approved of ISS, but after MM said, I agree with him. You gotta clean your room before going to your friend's house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 The ISS is not designed for deep space travel! Pigs are cleaner than humans it is just the environment that we put them in. And the ISS is doing allot of research in to fixing our problems back on earth. In the being of Star Trek they didn't have deflectors shield which what your are talking about. (ST ? Enterprise) We can make the trip to mars and the moon whit out that stuff. We?ve been the moon already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 I wasn't relpying to you directly Cloricus. For the Deep Space item I was talking to Harlequin. The shielding thing, well I lost interest in the new Startrek even though I knew they didn't have shields. I know we have been to the moon already...Who doesn't. But the people there were tiny. So was the landing craft. The structure in which people are going to be living in is going to be a mile or two across at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char! Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Unholy Newt [/i] [B] That is bull. There are millions of things we don't know a bout Earth. Especially in what Majora's Mask said. We haven't cured all of the diseases and other bad stuff like that. We should clean up our own mess until moving on. I am 100% against this until Earth cleans up their act. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=teal][size=1]Alright, I'll give you that one. I agree, we [i]should[/i] clean up our own planet first, but in the instance that it is too far gone, then I'd want some sort of fallback. I don't know about you, but that's what I think. In response to other posts: I realize that the ISS is not meant for travel. But as a space station, it allows for other machines to take off from there, and travel even further than normally allowed. So I'm for that, all the way.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 [color=royalblue]I think it is well worth creating space-based technologies...not only because it allows us to further explore space, but because it always results in the development of technology that can be used here on Earth. This research is also important because one day, we could be mining other planets rather than our own -- thus eliminating much of the environmental threat that mankind poses. There are always people who say "Noo! But there are people starving everywhere!" etc etc. But I find that to be a naive view. And it isn't really a very realistic view either. We are talking about two very different things. Poverty is something which cannot be solved simply by taking money out of the space program and distributing it to other countries. Most countries that are very poor have underlying social and economic problems which, for the most part, require a basic effort on the part of their Governments. And the problem there is that many of these governments are autocratic and non-transparent...meaning that these issues are never sorted out. So trying to say that more money can be taken from space to put into food is a nice thought, but in reality, there are more fundamental issues at stake which money won't actually directly fix.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i] [B]Poverty is something which cannot be solved simply by taking money out of the space program and distributing it to other countries.[/B][/QUOTE] Ah, but taking money out of space programs would allow us to bribe the governments of other countries into fixing their poverty problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i] [B] Ah, but taking money out of space programs would allow us to bribe the governments of other countries into fixing their poverty problems. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]If only the world were that simple. :( [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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