osiris_215 Posted June 21, 2002 Share Posted June 21, 2002 i didn't see many of the episodes of the beginning of DBZ...and i read the post at the top that transic nerve put up, and i am very, very sorry if this post is already on page 2 or 3...but i have to ask, because i don't know how did vegita turn good? i mean...i know he was all evil at the beginning, and then i missed alot, and then he was all of a sudden good...i didn't get it...so i am asking you people...how? what was the MAIN turning point to make him good? and like transic nerve said it the sticky thread...i want 100%proof...if anyone with the name ssj 5 or anything that talks about a DB besides GT and Z...i won't listen...i want someone who has [B]PROOF[/B] thankyou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted June 21, 2002 Share Posted June 21, 2002 I don't think he's "good"... he just realized that he wasn't the strongest around and that he needs help every now and then... That Gokou is stronger, most of the times, than he is. Bulma helped him calm down... Plus he realized that he needs help and that others need his help. One's pride can only go so far till they realize their own mistakes were holding them down.... which is easily seen in Vegita's case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Altron Gundam Posted June 21, 2002 Share Posted June 21, 2002 Well, technically he turns "good" around mid-Buu Saga when he swallows his pride and fuses into Vegetto, because there is an episode a few eps later where he admits Gokou's superior strength. At the beginning he fought on Gokou's side only because he was looking to either surpass Gokou or protect his son. The turning point from when Vejita started fighting w/ Gokou is in mid-Furiiza saga when Furiiza beats the crap outa him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 vegeta i don't ever turns purly good he still has quite a bit of evil i mean if you killed thousands of people for fun i don't think you would become good in a few days. what i mean to say is vegeta was never truly good some PROOF of this is that babidi turns him into majin vegeta in the buu saga but babidi can only contol someone if they have evil in them so yes i think that clears that up on my part. though however i have not seen the buu saga yet (stupid funi won't put it on the air) so i could be wrong about him never turning good:cross: i think i'm done yammering now ~GG~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCBaggee Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 [color=red][size=3]Vegeta was admitting Goku's strength long before Buu...he said something to Trunks while Goku was fighting Cell about how "Obviously, Kakkarot is stronger than anyone here...even myself."[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Blackhawk Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 It's in the Buu saga when vegita stop working out for the sole purpose of catching up to goku. After he's sees he is SSj3 he then knows to do some what of a guote from GT "I came back to life and saw kakarotto as ssj3 and said damn beat him, and since then I have stopped training to get better than him I train just to get stronger." Those aren't his exact words just a pharaphase. I think he turns 'good' during the babibi saga or the beggining of buu. This happends when he kills himself to save the planet from buu. He gets "comfortable" on earth in between the frieza and the andriod saga hence trunks is born it doesnot (to my knowledge) say why he is "comfortable" I think it might have been a combination between wanting just to out do Goku and not fully knowing what to do since all his regular people (for lack of a better word it's late!) have been killed. The comfortable thing is just a theory of mine though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juu Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 He never became pure/good. but he started being 'good' I'd say around when he met bulma, and had trunks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GriffXL Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 Vegeta is evil then turning a little good then goes back to being kinda evil then back to turning good.Vegeta has always admitted that goku was stronger, like when goku and vegeta had the little gallet gun and kamehameha showdown in the saiyan saga.Goku won then vegeta slipped off gokus kamehameha wave and said "he is even stronger than me.Thats it this planet is history!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Juuthena [/i] [B]He never became pure/good. but he started being 'good' I'd say around when he met bulma, and had trunks. [/B][/QUOTE] Actually, Vegeta did become pure/good (or whatever) after he was possesed by Babi-di. It is then when Vegeta became truly good and pure. Or, at least those are my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Matt Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 [color=red][b]I think vegeta became purely good after he blew himself up to try and save Trunks and Goten. After that, he was good. Save for being possessed by Bebi. But that was out of his control.[/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Altron Gundam Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JCBaggee [/i] [B][color=red][size=3]Vegeta was admitting Goku's strength long before Buu...he said something to Trunks while Goku was fighting Cell about how "Obviously, Kakkarot is stronger than anyone here...even myself."[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE] No, that was just for that time period. He still continued to train to surpass Gokou. In Buu Saga, he openly admits that Gokou has a natural talent he doesn't have. The ability to continue to break barriers of strength. Vejita would never go on to break into the SSJ3 barrier as long as the Dragonball sagas went on. He needed the Brute ray just to skip to 4. The BOTTOM line is Vejita did turn purely good near the end of the Buu Saga. Hell, he had a reason to, and a family to fight for. Whereas, when he was evil his entire race had been desomated and was a lone warrior under Furiiza's possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleFluteSan Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 I'd agree with the consensus... The biggest turning point for Vegeta was in the Buu saga right before he killed himself. I look at it this way: Vegeta, as he said, had allowed himself to be domesticated and enjoy the life he had built for himself on earth. But, even in his contented life, he had absolutely no desire greater than beating Goku. So, when the opportunity to become Majin appeared, he welcomed the chance to become a blackhearted, evil person again, AND gain the power to beat Goku. First, he still could not beat Goku, and secondly, even though he had succumb to evil, he still had these feelings of fondness. This, I think, was the major turning point for him. The moment that Goku questions his convictions, Vegeta realizes that even though he allowed himself to become Evil again, he still had that love for his family, thus leading him to sacrifice himself in his only selfless act of his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fly-T Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 Well I can only put it like this.... I think it was like Vegita Keillin Gohan teamed up to fight Frieza then Gohan saved his butt from a massive Ki blast. Then when vegita got sent back to earth after the wish from porunga and the earth dragon Bulma and the gang invited Vegita to stay at their place. And like Bulma started sating Vegita then They had a kid which is Trunks.. Vegita really never showed love to the future trunks. But he showed love to chibi trunks He turns evil when Babidi convinced him to turn to the dsark prince and defeat Goku, the one thing he always wanted to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GriffXL Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 Vegeta kinda did show love to future trunks when cell came back and killed him.Vegeta got really mad and went after cell and got his butt kicked and was saved by gohan once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Blackhawk Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Altron Gundam [/i] [B] Vejita would never go on to break into the SSJ3 barrier as long as the Dragonball sagas went on. He needed the Brute ray just to skip to 4. [/B][/QUOTE] I haven't seen the rest of the Buu saga and I don't rather he becomes SSJ3 or just skips it thanks to the Brute ray. I do believe he could have became SSJ4 with out. All he needed was to get his tail back they just didn't decide to give it to him :eek: I do agree he would never surpass Goku and I think he learned this when he saw Goku as SSJ3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta rocker Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 transtic has a point. I think he basically just mellowed out. He never lost and never will lose his thirst for power. But i guess he was officially good during the big buu drama. Some people disagree and say with cell but i think he is just worried about showing up goku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Minitrucker93 Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 I am no expert in any way but i agree with most of the consensus as well. His turning point might very well be the begining of the buu saga but the point where he becomes totally good is very hard to pinpoint. My opinion is that Vegeta always has a thirst to surpass Goku, as has been said, but I believe that he becomes truely good sometime in GT since he is now truely fighting to protect the earth and his family. He does self destruct against Buu but that i believe was in part to show he can do it himself and to show that he didn't need Goku's help. Although my point could also backfire and turn on itself by me saying he forfited his life to save the earth. Oh well nevermind. I guess I really don't know. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCBaggee Posted July 2, 2002 Share Posted July 2, 2002 [color=red]Yeah, the biggest though on his mind at that point were Trunks, Bulma, and showing up Goku. I mean, crap, he did tell Trunks he was proud of him, so that should kinda show you were the guys mind is.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juu Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 The reason why I think vegeta turned good after he had trunks was becuz, think about the cell saga. Near the end. He was furious when cell 'killed' trunks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenkai Powa Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 Vejita was never bad to begin with. He was simply heartless. I think the real rode to him being considered "good" happened when he cried because Freeza-Sama had used him for so many years, and he hated it the whole time. As the legend goes you have to be of pure heart to become a Super Saiya-jin and Vejita says that he was "pure evil". So I don't think he changed at all during the Cell Saga. During the Cell Games he was more pissed at Kakarotto than Cell for killing Torunks. When exploded to kill Majin Buu I think he did it because he felt bad. If he and Son Gokuu would have stopped Babidi-Sama, Majin Buu would have never been unleashed. So, really he didn't become good IMO until he gave the speech declaring that Son Gokuu was indeed "Numero Uno"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 Vegeta was never 'good'. At least not all the time. He always was 'evil' and 'good' in some ways. I mean he's always had this thirst to be the most powerful, and that seems to be the main reason why he is evil. Because you have to be forceful to be the most powerful. . The main reason he is evil is Goku. He kind of is a two sided person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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