Axis of evil? what is he thinking?

[Juu]

on febuary 1st, 2002, Bush gave a speech about three countries being an 'axis of evil'. What the hell is he thinking? He's worried about other countries having bombs and missiles when the US has some too! this speech angered many countries all over the world. They thought that he was declaring war! Here's a lil' report I found from bbc. when I read this, I was FURIOUS!!! :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: :flaming:
ok, here's the report.

Bush's 'evil axis' comment stirs critics


Bush's words have met with angry responses

There is mounting international concern about President George W Bush's grouping together of Iran, Iraq and North Korea as an "axis of evil".
Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov of Russia, which sees all three as falling within its sphere of influence, questioned whether there was evidence to label the three an "axis of evil".



This is, in fact, little short of declaring a war against the Democratic People's Republic of Korea

North Korea Foreign Ministry

Former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright called Mr Bush's comments "a big mistake".

"First of all they (Iran, Iraq and North Korea) are very different from each other," she said.

Mr Bush made the comment during his State of the Union speech, claiming the three countries were developing weapons of mass destruction.

But there have been angry responses from the countries themselves, while several allies of the US have expressed fears that it is preparing to open a new front in its war against terrorism.






1. Iraq: Suspected of wanting to pursue programmes to develop nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons
2. Iran: Listed by US as state sponsor of terrorism. Washington says Tehran plans to develop weapons of mass destruction
3. North Korea: The US's main concern has been missiles and other weapons programmes - and the country's willingness to export sensitive technology



But Mr Bush did get some backing, when Jordan's King Abdullah said he endorsed "tremendously that view and that position".

Nato's Secretary-General Lord Robertson has warned the US it will have to provide evidence to justify any action against Iran, Iraq and North Korea.

Nato gave the US its full support following the 11 September attacks, invoking Article Five of its founding treaty for the first time, which says an attack on one member is an attack on all.

But BBC world affairs correspondent Paul Reynolds says that Lord Robertson's comments at the World Economic Forum in New York reflect Nato unease at expanding the war on terror.

President Bush maintained his tough stance on Friday, saying "all the three countries I mentioned are now on notice that we intend to take their development of weapons of mass destruction very seriously".

But he did hold out the prospect of talks with North Korea, saying the US would be "more than happy to enter into a dialogue" if the country made a clear statement of its peaceful intentions.


Allies worried


Mr Bush's bellicose remarks about North Korea, Iran and Iraq have raised concerns in Europe that the war on terrorism may spread in terms of geography and nature.



Bush says Iran, Iraq and North Korea support terrorism


Previously, the targets had been shadowy terrorist groups like al-Qaeda led by Osama Bin Laden and their sponsors.

But according to Mr Bush's National Security Adviser, Condoleezza Rice, the governments of Iran, Iraq and North Korea have now been "put on notice".

Our correspondent says the American attitude is not necessarily in line with those of its allies. South Korea would prefer talks to continue with the North and Iran has been the subject of recent British diplomatic approaches.

The British Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, has said Britain will continue its dialogue with reformists in Iran, while sending what he called "strong messages" to hard-line elements within the government.


Mr Straw was speaking in Washington after holding talks with his American counterpart, Colin Powell.

The European Union also has a policy of engagement with the authorities in Tehran, which the BBC's Middle East analyst Roger Hardy says they have no intention of abandoning.

North Korea has joined Iran and Iraq in condemning Mr Bush's remarks.

A North Korean foreign ministry spokesman described Mr Bush's State of the Union address as "little short of a declaration of war".

'Moral leprosy'

In a statement from the foreign ministry, Pyongyang said Washington's recent problems were "entirely attributable to the unilateral and self-opinionated foreign policy, political immaturity and moral leprosy of the Bush administration".

The US Central Intelligence Agency has released a report saying that North Korea sold numerous missiles to the Middle East and other areas of tension last year.

According to the report, the hard-line communist state is using the missile trade to fund its nuclear weapons programme.


The BBC's Kevin Kim
"This isn't the first time the US and North Korea have exchanged such comments"


Palestinian National Council member Edward Said
"This is a manufactured threat"

[Jesus Chicken]

Bush has, had, will and is making mistakes...
I think such a comment was utterly ludicrous.
Bush may belive such a comment to be relevant, but if you ask me, no one has the right to make that kind of a judgement.

[Guest Matt]

[color=red][b]First off, I agree with bush that they are The Axis of Evil. Second, don't go off believing everything the media says and quoting it like it was the bible. The media lies better than they can report the news. These 3 countries already hate the USA, now bush is just saying he hates them. We have hated Iran since they took the US Embassy employee's hostage for weeks. Iraq, it is obvious why we hate it. North Korea, it's communist. And Bush probably didn't make up the axis of evil. he has a little team of people writing all his speeches. Some guy probably thought it would make morale, because we are fighting the Axis of Evil!! If you think bush is a bad president, you try and run a country after sept. 11th. And Jesus Chicken(who's name I think is an insult to God), the comment is relevent. If you lost a friend or family member in the World Trade Center attacks, you would feel that what bush is doing is justified. One of my friends lost her son in the WTC. I want to see every last terrorist dead for killing Kevin. May Bush defeat the Axis of Evil and rid the world of terrorism![/b][/color]

[Juu]

well for one thing, what did north korea ever do to the us? so what if they're communist, that could change once north and south korea are unified. That doesn't give him a reason to hate north korea. If he angers them, they'll never unify, and they'll still be communist! what he is doing now is starting more terrrorism. do you want more people to die like on sept.11? and for another thing, they don't have COMEPLETE evidence about the so called 'axis of evil' did the sept.11th attack. maybe if he tried to make some negosiations with the countries instead of just killing them right off the bat, they could get along! He's not doing much help. and oh yeah? If I were in him, I'd try to make some negosiations with the countries, instead of bombing them back! Maybe we could sign some sort of peace treaty. so there. and, for another thing, he's a coward. he's trying to bomb all of the poor countries. If they made negosiations, more people around the world would stop dying. and, doesn't he have a choise whether or not to read the speeches? does he think it's right? well, for one thing, I think it's terrible. what he's doing isn't a war against terrorism, it's starting more and more after what he said. Do you call that leadership? for one thing, that speech was a mistake. his little team should think more into what they make him say.

[James]

[color=royalblue]I didn't read all your posts, but the "hatred" of North Korea (or moreover, its dictatorship) is very legitimate.

A few years back, North Korea fired a medium range ballistic missile, which flew over Japan (causing Japan to immediately trigger a state of alert -- Japan thought it was under attack) and then finally crashed into the ocean just east of the Japanese coastline.

You can imagine how angry NK's neighbours were. Here you have a country that is actively testing missiles and firing them [i]right over[/i] its neighbours without any regard for people's safety.

As far as I'm concerned, the faster they get Kim Il Sung out of power, the better...[/color]

[Juu]

well, don't you think that once they unify, (south and north) that the north won't do things like that? well, anyway, when the 'axis of evil' speech was given, even south korea was furious, I know because I am south korean. all but one of my relatives live there.
The more concerns north korea gets, the longer it'll take for the dictatorship to end. Once they reunite, they will just be' Korea' and there will be no more communism. If the US have such a problem with sung's dictator ship, they should try to help them reunite. No one wants north korea do be under sung's dictatorship, right? If the usa supports, alot of other countries will too for this is a very strong country.

[Guest Matt]

[color=red][b]And might I bring to mind the Korean War? Anyone who the US fought a war with and lost to, we are not gonna be buddies with them. I was going to bring up the point that James said, about the missle, but he beat me to it.[/b][/color]

[Juu]

Yeah, but was the war directly charged at the us? The us just came in and helped. so, are you gonna be mad at your own allies after they reunite? is south korea gonna be targeted next if we reunite? The korean war was targeted at the south. but we're not mad at them anymore because most of us have families up there. plus, we're not mad anymore because we want to forget about that war that happened 50 years ago. Are you still mad at Japan? That [U]was[/U] targeted at the us. But that was also about 58 years ago. how can he be mad at north korea if the war wasn't started at the US in the first place and not be at japan? this just doesn't make sense, more people died then than in the korean war. You people like anime and japan totally. Why couldn't you get along with north korea? and the dictatorship, as I already said, is about to end!

[Delian]

I agree that the September 11 attacks were horrific and wrong. But the person and party behind them were from Afghanistan, who they've probably killed by now.
Iran and Iraq, although are known enemies of America had little to do with them. Personally I think George Bush and his Government are a bunch racist rednecks who are desperately looking for war. His ridiculous and pathetic speeches whether he writes them or not, are probabily intended to provoke the Middle East countries. He wants something to happen with Iran and Iraq, so that he can go on a killing rampage to destroy the countries and their people and like always justify it as part of the War Against Terror cause. Absolute b/s. I can't say how much I despise him and the American Governement. He can go to the deepist pits of hell...The sooner the better.

If i've made some enemies on this board then so be it.

[Juu]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Delian [/i]
[B]I agree that the September 11 attacks were horrific and wrong. But the person and party behind them were from Afghanistan, who they've probably killed by now.
Iran and Iraq, although are known enemies of America had little to do with them. Personally I think George Bush and his Government are a bunch racist rednecks who are desperately looking for war. His ridiculous and pathetic speeches whether he writes them or not, are probabily intended to provoke the Middle East countries. He wants something to happen with Iran and Iraq, so that he can go on a killing rampage to destroy the countries and their people and like always justify it as part of the War Against Terror cause. Absolute b/s. [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, that's exactly what I mean.

[Transtic Nerve]

Bush never did have strong foreign policy knowledge... He just picked those three because Iran and Iraq hate us, even though they really don't like each other... and North Korea... wel they are communists... and this goes back to the Red Scare and the Korean war.... I'm surprised Bush didn't add Cuba to that list, but because Cuba is so close to us and the fact we've been working really hard to get better relations with them, naming them would have been a mistake. Bush will say anything that his national security advisors tell him... and he'll believe it because like I said, he doesn't know anything about foriegn policy... which I'm sure was one of the many reason terrorists attacked this country when they did.

[Kent]

i just find it amazing that people can knock on bush so much.
just to keep this short,
bush is right.
if you disagree.
too bad. those countries are evil and thats the bottom line.

[Kinetic]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Delian [/i]
[B] Personally I think George Bush and his Government are a bunch racist rednecks who are desperately looking for war. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=royalblue]
1) Just because he has a damned speech impediment doesn't mean we're all rednecks (no offense Neil, or anyone else), two, I don't see how the work racist comes into play, and three, I don't know much about the worlds history, but I do know that Iran and Iraq have always been my countries enemy, and North Korea is communist (and as someone said above, I'm surprised he didn't add Cuba to the list, but I can understand why he didn't). And stop trashing Bush. He isn't the best president ever, but you try running a country after 19 terrorists ram two Airliners into the worlds biggest trade center, and keep the country running. I don't listen to many of his speeches, and I know he makes tons of mistakes, and his writers suck sometimes...but the man is only human. He is running this country greatly, and in some other thread somewhere, someone talked about Bush, when he was governor of Texas, how it was a 72% increase of money, or something...I dunno, but the man is great, and he makes a lot of mistakes, so stop laying into him.
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[Sandy]

:eek:

Whoa, this is baaaad, very baaad!!!

Are you people REALLY saying, that USA's the ultimate good, and all the countries who critizise it, are evil terrorists?

Yes, I know that you American's have been attacked in a horrible way, but this cyckle of revenge HAS to stop! USA isn't any world's guardian, who has the right to bomb any country it likes in a "name of peace"! Attacking won't do any good! And don't come telling that "they started it!"

And even people here! You're attacking each other as soon as someone dares to critizise Bush! A leader that his people didn't even CHOOSE! That's what i call dictatorship!

Okay, let's get this straight: you can't hate an entire nation just for what their leaders represent, that's just WRONG! For example, we finns have real problem with accepting the russians for "what they did to us during the wars", and I just can't tolerate that kind of prejudice!

And in the case of "black tuesday", which the day is now called thanks to american's obsession to put the whole world to mourn with it, the ones responsible were -and still are- a small group of terrorists, and what did Bush do? He sent his machines to destroy to the whole Afganistan! All those civilians, who died "by accident", had to suffer because the manic will to revenge!

This is so wrong! I'm not a preacher of any type, and I'm not telling you to pray for any god, but this "we're good, they're bad"-way of thinking HAS TO STOP, if we want ANY kind of peace to this world!

AM I RIGHT???

[Phantom]

lets just say... you all need to wake up and face the facts..usa is a good place...but not perfect...and those countries u think critisize. most just dream.. hope they can be as good as yours.. and the way you treat them all for the mistakes of only a few... i wouldd like to tell u all to go shove it up your ***** u rightchous $0n0V@|3|TCe$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (only the ones who think they are all that)

[GotenksSSJ343]

Yeah if he were to name them in the Axis of Evil junk we could have a Cuban missile crisis all over again except this time they would fire on an offensive stratgey. Not when they said in the cold war it'sonly for defense.

[Justin]

Juuthena, I don't mean to offend, but how old are you? And what have you been reading/watching?

North Korea: A communist nation with the desire to conquer South Korea, a nation we are currently friendly with.

Iraq: Saddam Hussein. Iraq would be great without him.

Iran: Do you remeber the hostage situation a few years ago. I know you HAVE to have heard about it.

Although, agree with all of his politics, I don't...Bush was correct in his statement on the "axis of evil"...In fact, I could add a few more, myself.

As for revenge: How many innocent American lives were taken on 9/11, and for what good cause? If we don't have a right to revenge, then noone does. Just because the US has always felt obligated to the rest of the world, does not mean that we should have to let an atrocity like that go unpunished. If I were the leader of this country, I'd be doing more! I'd be sending troops to help Isreal fight the Palestinians, not telling Isreal to hold onto futile peace talks.

As for the US not electing Bush, I won't even comment on that rubbish.

I think I'll stop now, BEFORE I grow angry at how idealistic some people can be...the world is real, death is real, and the fact that no violence will stop without violence to counter-balance it is real. There is a peace that can only be found on the other side of war.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Delian [/i]
[B]a bunch racist rednecks[/B][/QUOTE]

I can't begin to express how angry those four words make me. I could go off on a whole other tangent about that, but I have a responsibility to this community and to myself. So I will not. I'd just like you to know that you're ill-informed, and your terminology and the context in which you use it is offensive.

-Justin

[Guest Matt]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B]Juuthena, I don't mean to offend, but how old are you? And what have you been reading/watching?

North Korea: A communist nation with the desire to conquer South Korea, a nation we are currently friendly with.

Iraq: Saddam Hussein. Iraq would be great without him.

Iran: Do you remeber the hostage situation a few years ago. I know you HAVE to have heard about it.

Although, agree with all of his politics, I don't...Bush was correct in his statement on the "axis of evil"...In fact, I could add a few more, myself.

As for revenge: How many innocent American lives were taken on 9/11, and for what good cause? If we don't have a right to revenge, then noone does. Just because the US has always felt obligated to the rest of the world, does not mean that we should have to let an atrocity like that go unpunished. If I were the leader of this country, I'd be doing more! I'd be sending troops to help Isreal fight the Palestinians, not telling Isreal to hold onto futile peace talks.

As for the US not electing Bush, I won't even comment on that rubbish.

I think I'll stop now, BEFORE I grow angry at how idealistic some people can be...the world is real, death is real, and the fact that no violence will stop without violence to counter-balance it is real. There is a peace that can only be found on the other side of war.
-Justin [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=red][b]That is exactly what I have been trying to say. [quote]There is a peace that can only be found on the other side of war.[/quote] I agree totally. Sometimes in order to achieve peace, you must fight. We fought Germany bitterly in WW2, now they are one of our best allies.[/b][/color]

[Phantom]

...i didnt mean to be rude with thine comment but i seriously find that jeeses... why is ther so much fighting...and the only reason we are all worried about this type of stuff is media.. i mean they are only trying to give us the stuff we consider "infotainment" sorta like makin a ruckus of our entirety... if it wasnt for the way news media potrayed issues, than maybe children like Juuthena would not have to make complete fools of themselves.

[Justin]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GotenksSSJ343 [/i]
[B]Not when they said in the cold war it'sonly for defense. [/B][/QUOTE]
Please, please, please tell me you don't believe that garbage.

The Soviet Union, putting nuclear(nuclear, mind you) weapons 90 miles of the US coastline, and you believe them when they cry "Defensive!"? That was a purely aggressive move on Russia's part, and(in my mind, at least) there's no disbuting that.

This whole topic has my feathers ruffeled. If it were not so much so, I'd already have closed it by now.

I think if this IS going to continue everyone(myself included) needs to take it down a notch. We need to all remember that everyone has opinion and feelings, and we need to be respectful, and watch what we say. It would also be helpful if some people would think, logically, before posting their opinions. It would also be nice if comments such as "a bunch of racist rednecks" or any other potentially offensive comments, weren't used.

Thank you, I'm officially done with this topic unless otherwise instructed.

-Justin

[Juu]

o.0 ook... this really is starting to just be a looong fight....

well, anyways, I read over the rednecks, part.... omigosh, I was a texan too...... racist rednecks?? and justin, I have been reading sooo many things about politics.. blah blah, ever since sept.11. the attack was WRONG!! I have a relative that lives pretty close up there, you don't even know how scared I was. But for one thing, it would be eaisier trying to make peace instead of bombing each other and causing another world war. at first it was just afghanistan, but now it's turning into cuba, iraq, north korea,and iran. and by the way phantom, child? Do you think a CHILD would be mad about politics? well, as I said in the other one, yeah, bush isn't that bad of a guy, but the whole issue on starting a war is stupid. he wants to kill the terrorists, but if he starts a war, he'll be killing many civilians.

[Guest Matt]

[color=red][b]The problem is that you can't tell the terrorists from the civilians. They dress like them, and mix with them. The only way you can tell if someone is a terrorist is if they got bombs strapped to thier chest.

And it would not be easier to make peace. You try and get all the countries in the world to agree on [i]one[/i] politial issue. We can't even get our political parites to agree!!! My god. Have you ever tried to make peice between two people who hate eachother? Well, I can tell you from expeirence, that it is damn near impossible.

So next time you go to post a topic like this that has so much controversy, try and get your facts straight on your first post. This is not only directed at Juuthena. I've seen a few people here posting info that was wrong. So, be intelligent and try not to look like a fool. :)[/b][/color]

[Juu]

LOL, yeah son goten,... this is getting to be a lil bit more serious than I was expecting this to be.... especially the lil racist rednecks phrase.... that was just wrong, for I was texan a month ago, and they aren't racist! as justin said, everyone has their own opinion.
but no one has a right to call anyone whatsoever a racist.

[Kent]

hey im just glad to see people stick up for people that were robbed of the most important human right.
im also glad to see the point that actions are nessacary to create peace from disorder.
even android 16 knew that, watch gohan loose it when fighting cell.

[GotenksSSJ343]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B]
Please, please, please tell me you don't believe that garbage. [/B][/QUOTE]


I don't I'm just saying there going to do it again if Bush would've put them on the axis of evil list but this time when they set up the missiles there gonna launch them very quickly and do it some more untill we're a small piece of dust.