Axis of evil? what is he thinking?

[Frankie5 Angels]

Even though I believe that Parabola (cool name by the way) is wrong I still don?t think you should insult him because your views are different justin. Also,Supersayian,are you saying what you posted isn?t idiotic garbage?I think you need to think about what your posting before you post it buddy.Justin and supersayian,you both obviously take this whole discussion too seriously and personally.


In any case I dont think any of you should be stating your opinions as facts either (meaning everyone here(not that everyone has)).

[b]I[/b] still think that the US is selling arms to many nations and [b]I[/b] would find it wrong if we didn?t take innocents to consideration. Otherwise what would we be? Just a bunch of terrorist.

[Chaos]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Frankie5 Angels [/i]
[B]Even though I believe that Parabola (cool name by the way) is wrong I still don?t think you should insult him because your views are different justin.[/B][/QUOTE]


Parabola is saying that out President basically turned traitor on his our nation, OUR nation, for "popularity", which quite frankly, isn't there. Besides, Parabola was saying that was true, when it's obviously bull.


[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Frankie5 Angels [/i]
[B]Also,Supersayian,are you saying what you posted isn?t idiotic garbage?[/B][/QUOTE]


I love when people say these things.

If you notice carefully, F5A, you'll notice the "I personally" part. That means my ideals. And, if I may say so, I think that the idea of not caring about someone who openly disgraces my own country getting hurt who openly disgraces our pain and suffering, is more believeible than thinking that Bush set up the WTC incident.

Oh, and I must ask. F5A, where are you from?

[Justin]

Heh...I can see your opinion Frankie.

But the fact remains, it IS garbage, and believing it shows how ignorant your opinion on the matter is. Bush would have no reason to plan the 9/11 attack...THAT is what I said was garbage.

And the US does sell arms to it's allies, but not to it's enemies.

You see what I'm saying? I do believe the US sells arms, but not to hostile forces. I certainly don't believe Bush planned the 9/11 attack.

I do take all this serioulsy, probably more than I should, but that's beside the point. I think it's pathetic when people waste their time coming up with needless conspiracy theories. I think it's more pathetic when people argue those theories with facts.

As for Parabola: I didn't mean a literal fight. I meant an argument. If you want to be banned, you can just leave. Otherwise, SuperSaiyan has answered your statement.

-Justin

[Frankie5 Angels]

SuperSayian,if your "ideals" include the killing of innocents then I feel sorry for you my friend.

Anyways,as for me,I live in small-town Michigan USA.

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo]Well I jumped back into this topic a day late and a dollar short, but I will put in my two cents (please forgive all of the lousy puns, I am too tired to use my own creativity right now).

First order of business, Parabola, your topic makes no sense. Did you come up with that ridiculous conspiracy theory on your own, or do you have an actual argument to support your theory?

Second order of business, F5A, I hope we are still selling arms, we give so many away that it would be nice to receive some compensation in return.

Finally, I don't think that the arguing in this topic is a bad thing, as long as it is rational, constructive debating rather than long stirngs of swear words. It is good to state your opinion and defend it to the teeth, just don't get upset when someone dosen't see eye to eye with you.[/color]

[James]

[color=royalblue]I must agree with Heaven's Cloud here. I haven't read the last page, so I won't address the argument itself.

But I do want to say that I personally believe that most members here are mature enough to debate an issue...no matter what it is.

In the Xbox/PC forum, where I was debating an issue with Black Hawk and Jabroni, I can see that some would say "they're only gone because they disagreed with him".

But, if you actually read what I posted...and if you read the Wall Street Journal article that I put there...you'll notice that neither of the aforementioned members [i]ever[/i] responded or addressed what I said directly. They simply moved on and continued to talk about totally unrelated issues.

The reason I'm mentioning this is because I am trying to say that I don't discourage people from disagreeing...that's what freedom of speech is all about. And everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But at the same time, if you're going to debate with people...you have to remain civil and be respectful. It's also respectful to actually [i]read[/i] what others say and understand their comments, so that you can effectively reply.

I know that seems a little off track in this thread, but I guess I'm basically trying to say that debate on OtakuBoards is fine...as long as we understand that debates shouldn't get personal and that we can all debate without getting nasty about it.

I think Justin and Heaven's Cloud in particular have been very good in this regard...Heaven's Cloud seems to be able to state his case without getting angry with people. That's what I want to see. :)[/color]

[eleanor]

Hm, that speech had some bad mistakes in it, I think, but every president makes mistakes once in a while right? I mean, he must be in a lot of pressure after the September 11th attacks.

And Parabola, I agree with Heaven's Cloud completely. I have nothing to say about it because I think we shouldn't waste our time dissing other people.

[Chaos]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Frankie5 Angels [/i]
[B]SuperSayian,if your "ideals" include the killing of innocents then I feel sorry for you my friend.[/B][/QUOTE]


Heh. Don't worry about me. I'm heartless...;P

In any case, is someone innocent when they support the attacks of helpless people in a plane and in a building and they back terrorists? I didn't think so. And don't even think about giving a rebuttal on this case about the US bombing houses in the Middle East. Those people can run. People in a plane, and people on the 100th floor of a skyscrapper cannot.



[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Frankie5 Angels [/i]
[B]Anyways,as for me,I live in small-town Michigan USA. [/B][/QUOTE]


Well, I'm sorry. Because, for some reason, I thought you were Irish...O_o;;;

[Parabola-]

The Americans here are only mad at me, because I had a different opinion. Why become a member here, if you can't have your own opinion? Must I agree with what everyone else says here? Don't take your frustration and anger at me after 9/11.

If I had come on here and said, "Bomb the Middle East, get rid of all the terrorists", almost every American would say "Hell yeah" etc. And my posts wouldn't be "idiotic garbage".

[BabyGirl]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Parabola- [/i]
[B]The Americans here are only mad at me, because I had a different opinion. Why become a member here, if you can't have your own opinion? Must I agree with what everyone else says here? Don't take your frustration and anger at me after 9/11.[/B][/QUOTE]
[color=deeppink]Parabola, I think you received the response you did because you didn't have much evidence to back up your claims, and you got replies from two members who are opinionated. Don't worry about expressing your opinions around here...you'll always get someone who doesn't agree.[/color]

[Parabola-]

I understand that BabyGirl. But there's also no evidence bin Laden was behind 9/11 also.

So I guess there's no chance of telling me how to upload my own avatar? ;/

[color=deeppink][size=1]I apologize for invading your post, but if you look back at my first response to you (should be one page back), then you'll see I answered your avatar question. -BG[/color][/size]

[Justin]

And I wasn't taking frustration about the 9/11 attack out on you.

I was arguing with you because you blamed Bush for planning it, which is absurd.

And no, if you were to say "Let's go bomb the Middle East!" no one would jump up and say "Hell yeah." At least, I hope not.

I've seen many people(in America in general) who are VERY against bombing Afghanistan. That's what worries me.

I'm afraid that if we did discover and capture those who were behind it, that people would want them tried in a court in their home country. I don't think that's right...

-Justin

[Parabola-]

I'm sorry if I sounded Anti-American, which I'm not, as I do have American cousins in the U.S.
I just don't agree with U.S foreign policies, that's all.

[Frankie5 Angels]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SuperSayian [/i]
[B]Well, I'm sorry. Because, for some reason, I thought you were Irish...O_o;;; [/B][/QUOTE]

Nope,blood wise im 100% italian.But,I am also 100% american because I was born and raised here with american values.

[Chaos]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Parabola- [/i]
[B]I'm sorry if I sounded Anti-American, which I'm not, as I do have American cousins in the U.S.
I just don't agree with U.S foreign policies, that's all. [/B][/QUOTE]


And not everyone will. But the thing is, your comments were from out of the stadium, never mind far-out left field.



[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Frankie5 Angels [/i]
[B]

Nope,blood wise im 100% italian.But,I am also 100% american because I was born and raised here with american values. [/B][/QUOTE]


Heh... My bad...@_@;;;


But seriously... People are too quick to judge America. They mock us for our point of views, when they don't even know what it feels like to be us. People who live over in, like, Britian, for example, would say that America is being stupid, carrying on with these rebuttal attacks. But then, Britian wasn't the one attacked.

So I have this to say. Until you've lived your entire lives in the US, felt what Americans have felt, experienced what we've experienced, keep your useless critizism to yourself.

[Mist]

[color=red][size=1][QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Parabola- [/i]
[B] But there's also no evidence bin Laden was behind 9/11 also.
[/B][/QUOTE]


*Cough* Um, yeah, there is. I'm not trying to be rude but look around you. News stations, newspaper, heck, even MTV have had specials on evidence on the controversy of Bin Laden's guiltiness.

Of course us 'Americans', as you so politely put it, are offended by 9/11, but not every American is up for bombing the Middle East right back. I'm half filipino and half polish, but I consider myself an American because this is the place where I have grown up; the only place I've ever known. I can understand if you're offended by some of the outrageous claims Americans might have said againt people of Middle Eastern decent, but don't you think we have a right? For now, at least?
[/color][/size]

[Justin]

No, we don't have the right to point fingers at people of Arabic decent.

But we do have the right to vengence against the parties responsible. However, the identity of those parties are still not completely clear.

Until then, we are fighting the most likely parties, who are themselves terrorist and criminal organizations.

-Justin

[Kazuko]

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Edited October 13, 2017 by Kazuko

[Juu]

yes... go calm down.......
(1)Anyway, just bombing Afghanistan isn't as easy as you think.

(2)Of course we didn't deserve the sept.11 attack!!

(3) The attack was horrible. The terrorists had no right to do it, and no one ever will have the right to go out and kill innocent people.

there. that's all there is to it.

[eleanor]

[QUOTE](1)Anyway, just bombing Afghanistan isn't as easy as you think. [/QUOTE]

Yes, you're right Juuthena. And anyways, most people in Afganistan weren't dancing around in the streets.

I really do feel sorry for the kids in Afganistan, and the woman, because they went through all that trouble because of the Taliban. And on top of that, the children were practically starving because Afganistan was so poor!

Then the woman, they had to go around wearing those stupid cloaks that covered their whole body, and they could barely see. A man could kill a woman, and he'd be given no punishment whatsoever.


[QUOTE]....You don't know how it feels until one of your importent monuments that you worked hard and long to build goes down in rubble also until 1,000 of your people...Family...and friends die...Then you would know how we feel..Then you would know how we have suffered, every day waking up knowing alot of you friends,family,and people died because of some ******* who didn't care what we felt..Thats all I have to say...I think I'll go calm down now...[/QUOTE]

:therock: Yes, I think you should calm down now... You do have a right to feel mad about the 9/11 attacks, but we're not the only country that suffered terrible attacks. I mean, just look at the Holocaust!

[Parabola-]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mist [/i]
[B][color=red][size=1]


*Cough* Um, yeah, there is. I'm not trying to be rude but look around you. News stations, newspaper, heck, even MTV have had specials on evidence on the controversy of Bin Laden's guiltiness.

Of course us 'Americans', as you so politely put it, are offended by 9/11, but not every American is up for bombing the Middle East right back. I'm half filipino and half polish, but I consider myself an American because this is the place where I have grown up; the only place I've ever known. I can understand if you're offended by some of the outrageous claims Americans might have said againt people of Middle Eastern decent, but don't you think we have a right? For now, at least?
[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

Who controls the world's media? Israelis. Who controls the media in the U.S? Israelis. Who hates Arabs and Muslims? Israelis.

It's funny how you never hear about terrorism from both sides.

I'm not even an Arab or Muslim nor did I mastermind Sept 11th "attacks".

Damn, if I came on here and said, "Hi, I'm from Saudi Arabia."

I wonder how hostile people would treate me then...:worried:

[Juu]

Just because you were from saudi arabia, doesn't mean ppl should treat you differently. I have friends from saudi arabia. (erm..I think) They're one of the most popular kids in school, if anyone starts pointing fingers and start teating them differently because they were from saudi arabia, wouldn't that be the same thing as racism?

[Justin]

No one would treat you any differently. You see, it's not so much that your ideas and opinions are outrageous, it's that you insist just because many of us are American that we hate the Middle East. THAT is what pisses me off. How many times must we tell you that we don't hate Arabs?

You've yet to provide ANY substantial evidence that Iraelis control anything except Israel. So, please, if you'd be so kind, enlighten me as to how Israel does all these things?

And please, shut up about America. You really don't have any idea what you're talking about. You don't see any Americans talking about England...

-Justin

[Parabola-]

What you gonna do ? Tell your idiot President to bomb England?

[Parabola-]

You know what they say about Americans. Damn ignorant people.