Axis of evil? what is he thinking?

[Megabakin]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Parabola- [/i]
[B]Ok, my bad, I should of said, "Some ignorant American people". It's not only that, that they're mad about, it's because I have different opinions. [/B][/QUOTE]

Ok, fine. Its my OPINION that you a ****ed up little dumbass vegatable dork. Now arent you going to get mad at me? People can still get mad at your opinions, no matter how good or bad they are.

[Saiya-jinro]

Almost every country has major problems. I'll tell you what, if you don't like hate crimes, move to Japan. Most of the people in Japan are purely Japanese, so their's a VERY little amount of hate crimes. Also, compared to America, theirs alot less crime altogether. I'm an American, but this place is very crime related. Look at all the companies, they just want money. Sure, they need money too keep running. But, they want monry like it grows on trees. It's all ignoarance. Out of all the people you have seen in live, if you live in America, how many of them treat you like you're a nobody. Please, answer that.

[Heaven's Cloud]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Juuthena [/i]
[B]Wait a sec, if democratcy doesn't work what will?

Another thing, you can't please everyone. If not democratcy, the only choise we have is communism. Is it not? [/b][/quote]

[color=indigo]No, there are tons of different governmental systems, so communism is not the only alternative to democracy. Dictatorships and Oligarchys have worked in the past, and for a third world country that has a small population, they are not neccassarily a bad thing IF (and it is a big if) the leaders rule for the well being of the people.[/color]

[quote][b]Things are getting out of hand, the usa is getting into war, several countries are getting mad at america... [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=indigo]There are always several countries that are mad at America, who cares. I think that since 9/11 America has become more introverted (although it is very arguable that we have always been introverted, we just lend assistance when we find it beneficial) then it previously was, and care less about stepping on toes when it comes to foriegn policy.[/color]

[Quote][i]posted by Saiya-jinro[/i][b]Look at all the companies, they just want money.[/b][/quote]

[color=indigo] Of course companies just want money, it is a COMPANY not a charity...(and even they are greedy). The corrupt CEO's of Enron and World Com were overly greedy, but you cannot judge an entire nations economical system by a handful of companies.
I would respond to the rest of your post, but I cannot decipher your post. Please try and post in a clearer mannor in the future.[/color]

[Saiya-jinro]

Sorry about that. What I meant was, how many people have you talked too that treated you like a nobody. Do they treat like a piece of dirt? In America, thiers way too many times where that's happened. Like I said before, I'm an American. In that sense, Americans are ignorant. I mean, you all said before in other threads, how people at your school treat homosexuals like their way below them. Just so all of you know, I'm not against anybody, no matter what they look like, or their lifestyle. Also, their are peole, who don't know when too keep their mouth shut. That's enough of that. :cool:

[Defcon5]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Saiya-jinro [/i]
[B]Sorry about that. What I meant was, how many people have you talked too that treated you like a nobody. Do they treat like a piece of dirt? In America, thiers way too many times where that's happened. Like I said before, I'm an American. In that sense, Americans are ignorant. I mean, you all said before in other threads, how people at your school treat homosexuals like their way below them. Just so all of you know, I'm not against anybody, no matter what they look like, or their lifestyle. Also, their are peole, who don't know when too keep their mouth shut. That's enough of that. :cool: [/B][/QUOTE]

People treat others like dirt all over the world. Not just in America. So in that sense the whole world is ignorant.

[Saiya-jinro]

I'm just saying that in America, it's at the highest amout. Actually, in Japan, they are very kind people.

[Defcon5]

There are kind people in America too. I know plenty of kind people. There are also kind people all over the world. As well bad. And how can you tell that America has more mean people then every other country?

[James]

[color=royalblue]America doesn't have more mean people than other countries...I don't know how on Earth anyone can measure the "meanness" of a nation. lol

The problem is when people do something wrong, but with the [i]right intention[/i]. So being mean or evil really isn't an issue...I don't even know how that came up. lol[/color]

[Juu]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]lol, Yeah unless you know everyone in that country... you can't call everyone or [i]most people[/i] mean....[/color] [/size]

[Kent]

as for what james said i thought this is a good chance to say a little qoute.
"the road to hell is paved with good intentions"
we all want the best for the world, some times we just dont know how to make it happen.

[Saiya-jinro]

Well, everytime their is a mojor murdering spree or stealing frenzy, it PROBABLY happens in America. Explain how bad crime is in your country. And, I never said that America has the hishest. Until the Taliban Government ended in Afghanistan, their country had some of the nastiest scum too walk the Earth. Every year the crime rates are higher than the year before. Tell me another thing, has any other country have had someone kill alot of people at their school?

[Justin]

Yes. There was recent school shooting in Germany. :)

-Justin

[Saiya-jinro]

I'm sorry too here about that. I hope I didn't sound mean from my last post. I guess I was kinda frustrated with the way the world is right now.

[Sara]

Don't sound so happy, Justin....

[Mr. Maul]

I saw a skit on SNL about this. It was in my sig for a while.

[Juu]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]Do you think Gore would of handled the terrorism issue better than Bush is doing now?[/color] [/size]

[Heaven's Cloud]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Juuthena [/i]
[B][color=deeppink] [size=1]Hmm... lessee..... who do you think would have done better with the situation we're in now? Gore or Bush?[/color] [/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=indigo]This hypothetical is one of the worst phrased questions that I have ever come across (I am not saying this to be mean, just to try and illict clarification). What present situation are you refering to? The country in general? The economy? The war against terrorism?

If you are asking the question "Would Gore have been a better president then Bush?", my first response would be to say "who knows". However, after a briefly analyzing the two men, I do not feel that Gore would have been a better president then Bush. He may have been as good, I think he would have handled the 9/11 situation in a similar fashion, but I doubt that he would have been better. Neither man has the ability to captavate the American public the way a great leader should. I believe that if Bush was a great orator (like Bill Clinton) he could be a great president...he has some very good ideas, he just has a problem conveying them.[/color]

[Mnemolth]

[b]This should really go in "The Trouble with Americans..." thread because it is a reply to posts in those threads. But apparently James decided to lock that thread for reasons I can't understand so, its here instead[/b]

Has no one heard of the excuse, 'I'm only human, I'm not perfect'? As if it was an automatic defense to all charges. Well, I'm afraid it isn't. All countries have their problems we know. But it doesn't mean we cannot highlight America's problems.

And the trouble with America is its lack of introspection and reflection. Instead of asking why much of the world have such disdain for America, the good old US of A has a tendency to shove all of that under the carpet and repeat silly little retorts like, "They're all jealous of us" or "they are evil", like some little school punk who has yet to understand the true value of empathy and that perspective is everything.

Of course America has a vocal minority that have long questioned its government and often criticized it. And that's all good and fine. The problem is that this minority, though respectable in many areas, are never in charge of government policy, and if they are, their reign is too short to make any real difference. Maybe the next generation, YOUR generation, will make a difference. But with the level of patriotism and inanity flying about, I think the odds are against it.

You say that maybe I shouldn't paint such a broad brush and that not all Americans are arrogant. I never said ALL. I just said Americans. You identify with your nationality. Most people do. So, although you personally may not be arrogant, nor your family or friends, your country as a whole is, and so I believe I have a right to cast Americans in general as arrogant (if I so believe, that is).

In my post I have outlined the reasons why I believe America is arrogant. I have made some points to support my case. If you disagree with what I have said, then maybe you can argue against my points, rather than copping out with the standard, "Well, no country is perfect".

And for those of you who think that this thread can be made about any country, I will have to disagree. No other country on earth has as much military, social, cultural and political influence as America. As the sole remaining superpower its domination of world events is unprecendented.

Some of you might say, well, because its so prominent, its an easy target for criticism. Well that's true. But you'd think with so much influence, it would be sensitive to other peoples and cultures and try to understand their perspectives. You would be wrong. America doesn't care. All America cares about its itself and its citizens. The rest of the world can go f*ck itself as far as they're concerned.

An American life is priceless. An African life probably not more than a penny. It took only the deaths of a dozen US troops in Somalia in the early 90s before President Clinton decided to withdraw the humanitarian effort to feed and restore order to the country. And when the US came into Afghanistan to fight the Taliban and Al-Qaida, who do you think were on the front line? American soldiers? Some. But the majority was Afghani fighters ordered about my CIA operatives. When the Americans wanted to clear out the caves in Tora Bora, the maze complex in the mountains, who do you think were the guinea pigs to begin flushing out any elements of the enemy? Afghani fighters. They were paid by America because America didn't want its own troops in the line of fire. It didn't want images of body bags flying back home. The President realise America had a weak stomach for the deaths of its citizens. But other peoples? Well, that's a different matter altogether......

We are one people. If you believe in God, then we are ALL made in His image. If not, then we are still one people, made of the same stuff, blood, sweat and tears. And to believe you are better than someone else because you have a bigger gun and a larger wallet is not only morally bankrupt, but dangerous.

You can be proud of your country without being arrogant. Just as you can be proud of yourself without thinking you are superior to everyone else.

When Iraq was fighting Iran in the 80s, in a war that cost 1 million lives I might add (yep, you got that right 1 freaking MILLION) over 10 years, did you think America was in there rallying the world to see what a bag guy Saddam Hussein was? No. Now some have said that the US backed him to the hilt and supplied him with arms sales and such. I wouldn't go that far. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Let's stick to the facts, and I doubt any informed person would deny, that the US, if it could decide who would win the war would rather prefer Saddam over the Ayatollah. Right after the war, when Saddam was faced with an uprising in the south, and he used chemical weapons on his own people, do you think the US was the first to jump up and condemn him? Hardly. Well, that's all in the past you say? Well, as a famous salesman once said, 'But wait, there's more...'.

When the Gulf War was over and George Bush Snr called upon the Iraqi people to overthrow Saddam, and many of them took up the call, and when CIA operatives were sent in and helped some of them and promised them US support, and they launched their ill-advised offensive, what do you think happened? Did America came to their assistance? No. And they were slaughtered. The best America could do was to impose no-fly zones. And this was AFTER the event.

America doesn't care about Iraq and the Iraqi people. America doesn't care that hundreds of thousands of babies have died because of the economic sanctions placed on Iraq. It doesn't care that the rich in Iraq can still live pretty comfortably whereas the majority, the middle class and the poor are the ones hurting. America just doesn't care.

America is only interested in its oil, and to kill off all options for terrorists to harm it. America takes care of its own. But that's it. Everyone else in the world can go to hell.

That's arrogance.

FOOTNOTE DETAIL: One third of all Congressmen in the US have NEVER set foot on foreign soil. This means one third of all those people who are responsible for making the laws in America have NEVER been OUTSIDE America. Period. Think about that for a moment. Its enlightening.

PS to James: I see no reason to lock my thread. Granted there were a couple of posts that repeated a couple of things, but for a socially and politically controversial topic like this that's not uncommon nor surprising.

As for the 'pompous rhetoric', why is it as soon as someone is a little honest and strings a couple of words together it suddenly becomes pompous? Would you rather I just say 'America sucks' and leave it at that??

As I said earlier, I don't see any reason why my thread was locked. No one was going nuts with stupidity. And if they were you could warn them and then lock it if they don't behave. If the thread was going in a direction you didn't want it to go, well...threads sometimes have a life of their own...;)

I'm requesting that my thread be unlocked. I find it a little disconcerting (not pompous just an appropriate choice of words) that you seem to have the last say and then locked the thread. As for me alienating myself, I've never really been one to look to be popular. ;) And I say that quite honestly, and am not trying to be cute or cool about it. I'm not some trouble-maker that wants to make a word for himself by causing havoc. But I am, on occasion, what one of your previous High Court Justices, Lionel Murphy, once referred to as, 'an agitator', in that I like to make people think. ;) It matters little to me if they agree with me or not, just as long as they think about their positions.

Having said all that, I know you run this Board and I accept that, and that the Board is subject to your opinion not mine. So do whatever you feel is appropriate, I'm just voicing my opinion for what its worth. K? :)

[Defcon5]

Thing I don't get it why you telling us this. What the hell are we gonna do about it? Go write to Bush or somthing.

[Mnemolth]

Well that would be a start. :) But honestly, that all depends on you and what you think, doesn't it? The thing is I'm not here telling anyone what to do, or even what to think. I'm here to put a point of view across, my opinion. That's what Boards are for right? In the best of worlds, occasionally something posted on a Board might cause us to ponder our positions. I try to do that with my posts. It doesn't always work out that way of course, but I'm an optimistic guy and there is always hope. ;)

If I tell you that every single one of us can change the world, you may not buy it. But, if you're going to tell me that none of us can do anything about anything, well....I don't buy that either...;)

[Juu]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]*cough* Well... for one thing, the man's playing golf while his country's in danger....:wow:[/color] [/size]

[Defcon5]

So your saying in the near future I can erase all those mistakes and change everything that America does wrong today? I'm not even old enough to vote. And it's just that they way your presenting your opinion it ssounds as though you want us to go and revolt agaisnt the government and then sit in our houses in shame for being American because the rest of the world is perfect and we are not.

[Justin]

Juu, there's only so much one man can do. I assume that you do things that you enjoy, even though the country is in danger, don't you?

Gore would be doing precisely the same thing, no matter what he or anyone else says.

And Mnemolth: I haven't read your topic yet, but I'm sure James had some reason for closing it. Probably because you were bashing a country, and that has to potential to cause conflict, and therefore, a problem. I don't care how intelligent you are, one problem is the same as the next, to me.

-Justin

[James]

[color=royalblue]Mnemolth wasn't bashing anything...his points were mostly pretty valid.

The topic was closed because it was getting way off topic. And in addition, it was essentially a duplicate of this thread.

Mnemolth would have been better off to post his comments here, rather than creating a new topic.[/color]

[Juu]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]Although I'd have to agree, the opinions in Mnemloth's thread were better expressed and explained...[/color] [/size]