Kent Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 does anyone know about this? i want to explain it in a little while but first i want to see who says what. also just for a clue i will put down two numbers 40,000 80,000 good luck and i will be back with an explanation. come on all you smart political scientist, or you war history nuts... if there are any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 I think you mean the rape of nanjing, not nanking. Yes, I'm aware of what it is. Am I to explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueGender Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 [SIZE=1]I know of it...I saw something about it on the History Channel. Their is some really disturbing pictures and film of it. From what I know about it it it as when Japan invaded China. They raped women and killed many people. Some of the tactics the used ere really grusome like hanging people by their tounges and things like that.[/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juu Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 ew.... I think I saw some sort of movie in japanese that was like that... it was GROSS! It was just terrible to see people being like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 23, 2002 Author Share Posted June 23, 2002 well that says it. im sure history channel spelled it nanking. and im sure i could come up with a couple of other words that are spelled different ways with no particular way being the right one. tao dao. but on the subject, this was one of the worst acts by humans ive ever seen. the history channel did have a show. i watched it and i noticed one thing that id never seen except in an anime movie. a person floating in water, cut in half. japanesse soldiers cleaning swords. children and i mean like a 5 y/o with one arm that was freshly cut off. the numbers i gave as a hint are the extreme high and low of estimates on the number of women raped. children and senior citizens allike all raped. it was the most disgusting thing ive ever seen. i wanted to post it mostly for 2 different kinds of people to see. 1. those who think any group of people can be innocent of acts of atrocity. 2. those who think evil does not exist. at this point i want to say im feeling bad and almost disrespectful for even trying to talk about this. i just wanted every one to see what the darkside of humans can do. no matter what kind of humans. i just felt horrible seeing those people and i didnt have anyone to talk to about it. (my brother is there but he fills the gap of not being able to do anything with a hate for the perpitrators.) i hope this kind of thing never happens again, and i want to see the japanesse government to formally opologize. even worse is that the commander that had the control of the forces, who was executed, was not present for 90% of what happend and all of the actions he wasnt present for was under the orders of another officer that got away free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 As you said: any group is capable of such atrocities. And most of them did do such things. The Japanese, and what they did in China, was among some of the worst, if not the worst, stuff done in World War II. But there was plenty of other actions by numerous other countries that were just as awful and meaningless - it's not like the Japanese should be singled out and be made to apologize, while the other countries (including America), who committed horrible acts during WWII as well, just sit around and accept the apology. Have you ever been to Hiroshima? Most people there are severely or mildly deformed. Even the new generation has a slightly "off" appearance due to the radiation. The worst part is that the A-bomb was totally unnecessary... but that's another discussion. The point is, what the Japanese did was horrible, but it's not like it was the only terrible act done during the war. Americans, Germans, and British all did things just as regrettable. But now, it doesn't really matter, as most of this stuff is water under the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 23, 2002 Author Share Posted June 23, 2002 it may be water under the bridge but atleast the countries you singled out did opoligize where as the japanesse government did not. and 1 question. do you think the japanesse would have ever stopped if america hadnt stopped them. i know the nazis wouldnt have, but thats another ? all together, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 Yes, in fact, there was a rather large mistake on the Japanese interpreter in America. Here, I will cut andpaste something I saw somewhere else: " the translator who is responsible for the decision to commence bombing on Japan did not know the Emperor's dialect, which was Japanese, but it was about 400 years older than what the rest of Japan spoke. The translator hearing a message, which said something to the effective translation of "we will end the war" (as in surrender) took the words to mean "we will end this (violently) I don't remember the actual phrase, but it turns out the U.S. made a big mistake and Japan really was done fighting, but we, not knowing our enemies language bombed them, when in fact they were ready to surrender..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 23, 2002 Author Share Posted June 23, 2002 thats funny cause i do remember seeing that the japanesse made a desperate plea for any plutonium they could get. even so, i still didnt get a straight answer. do you believe the japanesse would have stopped on their own if the americans hadnt crossed the ocean and one at a time rooted them out of the islands they were holding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 Maybe I'm misreading your question or something. Stopped [i]what[/i]? Stopped fighting America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 23, 2002 Author Share Posted June 23, 2002 maybe your just not reading the thread. stopped their attempt at being an imperialistic super power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 No, I did read it. Yes, they stopped when the war ended, which would have come sooner and less painfully had the Japanese interepreter known the emperor's dialect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 23, 2002 Author Share Posted June 23, 2002 shoot man, i dont think you are reading it because i didnt ask if they stopped... i know they did. i asked if they would have. you know. like if the u.s. hadnt gone over there and slowly taken away their armies ability to occupy. one more time.... would the japanesse have stopped their aggressive actions if the u.s.a. had not stopped them? that means if the u.s. had done nothing after pearl habour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 No - the Japanese would have continued attacking the US until America lifted the embargo and let Japan become a world power. At least that's what I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 23, 2002 Author Share Posted June 23, 2002 im not just talking about the u.s.a. im also talking about the other humans who were on their side of the pond. those people were getting it just as bad as anyone else... oh wait. i just read the thread about nanking and realized they were getting it worse. hmmm. well... im nobody to say who got it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 Hmm, I'm not sure. You'd have to ask someone more interested in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 Well it's pretty obvious the US had to retaliate after Pearl Harbor... if it weren't for the Japanese, I don't think the war would have ended when it did... probably many years later, as the US was neutral at the time before Pearl Harbor... Would Japan have stopped their agressive behaivor... no. They've said it themselves. The attack on Pearl Harbor was a BRILLIANT idea orchestrated by Yamamoto. However, their timing and unestimation prooved a bad mistake. The largest part of the Japanese military was their Navy and they went to destroy the American Pacific fleet so that they could continue their rade into Asia... into the Philipines and then to Australia and more into China... If they would have attacked December 8th or 9th 1941, they probably would have been 80% more effective. They would have accomplished their goal of basically enabling the US Pacific fleet and they could have continued their way into the countries and area to the south of Japan. So to answer your question, No they would not have stopped their agressive behaivor if they didn't essentially fail at what their goal was. They really didn't anyway.... they continued to make their way into the Philipines and were met by US resistance... and they continued to fight us in the Pacific... As far as the A-Bomb issue goes... The war in the pacific came to two options for Americans... 1) We invade Japan, which had a probability of having the loss of millions of lives, all of which were most likely going to be American.... or 2) we use this nifty little bomb we made and show the Japanese exactly what we can do to major cities like Tokyo for example.... We only had the bomb to begin with because it was our understanding the Nazi's were making one themselves.... later we were to figure out they had scrapped the whole program after the invasion I believe. The Japanese, as many people, including myself can say, are not ones for backing down... even today you can see that in their culture. They may be passive people, but that doesn't mean they won't defend their people. And under a non-democratic goverment, alot of them didn't have much choice... It's what the emporer said and that was it. The A-Bomb was the ultimate choice... not only to save American lives, but to demonstrate that mentality of "you don't mess with us" the US has so elequantly shown throughout the decades. After all the Japanese fleet had been destroyed and the only thing between us and Japan was water (which would have made for easy invation, but at deadly costs) So Harry Truman issues that the bomb be released on Hiroshima... one of the bombs... Fat Man I do believe was the first to be dropped.... the Japanese, after seeing this, still held their ground... Again, under-estimation of the Americans prooved fatally wrong. The second target, Nagasaki.... The Japanese finally saw what they were dealing with and didn't need to be told what the third target was (I'm sure they already knew) before they gave in... that third target... Tokyo.... Overall, Japan wasn't planning on stopping, and the only thing that did were the bombs... and even then, some warlords still craved to fight... none the less, all was over... the Japanese have little military power, but everything else going for them. They are one of America's closest friends and we helped them rebuild themselves... It's really quite amazing that the battle between Japan and the US is overlooked due to the holocaust and Hitler but it was probably the turning point in technology of weapondry. Something the world today wishes never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 24, 2002 Author Share Posted June 24, 2002 well to me right now its actually kind of sad because i didnt write this thread so we could go off on who was doing what and why during ww2, i was just trying to make people aware of the events in nanking. read the above stuff that was about nanking, not ww2 tactics. it really was so bad that im might just close this thread because no matter how hard i want to the truth is that a thread like this is nothing but insulting. i dont want to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gokents [/i] [B]well to me right now its actually kind of sad because i didnt write this thread so we could go off on who was doing what and why during ww2, i was just trying to make people aware of the events in nanking. read the above stuff that was about nanking, not ww2 tactics. it really was so bad that im might just close this thread because no matter how hard i want to the truth is that a thread like this is nothing but insulting. i dont want to do that. [/B][/QUOTE] Dude, you certainly have changed.... you are becoming more and more of a stuck up little ***** lately. I don't care what you wanted, you asked if the Japanese were still going to continue their onslaught of power in Asia if the Americans hadn't attacked... which I answer, I just added alot more to it to give other people, because you know the world doesn't revolve around little ole' you, that might not know the history of WWII and the Pacific battles. And I'll do the honors of closing this thread. You better change your attitude or you won't be here long enough to have one anymore. You aren't the only thing that matters, and you should just accept however little help or explaination or ANYTHING you get and stop whining about it. Thats your warning. I suggest you heed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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