Drug Testing in High School

[James]

[color=royalblue]I support drug testing. Sure, it will be an annoyance for some...but it's a bit like the increased airport security lately, in the sense that if it catches out the people who are actually causing the problem, then it's worthwhile.

I mean, if I knew I had no drugs...then I would be quite happy for them to search my car. I mean, who cares? If it helps them find a few drug users (or more importantly, drug dealers), I'd be happy...[i]especially[/i] if they found dealers.

I think sometimes people take the whole freedom thing a bit too far...it's the same with owning guns...sometimes you need reasonable legal restrictions so that "freedom" doesn't get ridiculous.[/color]

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i]
[B][color=indigo] Hmmm...well I think that you guys have finally hit on the point that I wanted to reach...the supreme court is saying that minors in the US no longer have the final liberties

1. The Right to Due Process
2. The Right against Unreasonable Searches ans Seizures
3. The Right to Privacy

[/b][/color][/quote]

You don't have rights as a minor. Not till you become a responcible adult at the age of 18 (sometimes at 16, depending on situations). You have some obviously, but not alot. You are basically a slave to your parents. What the Supreme Court is saying is that School is not your real life. And that you are being sent there for free, for the most part, and that different laws apply in school than they do anywhere else. The School principle and it's faculty havecomplete control over you. The only way to change the way the school works is to go to the board... get your parents to go to the board.... all those people care about is votes, tell them you won't vote for them they'll change things quicker than you can think it.



[quote][b][color=indigo] Why I have mixe feelings about this issue, I think it is slightly inaccurate that the supreme court catagorizes public schools in a different way then civilian life. Until this ruling they have followed strict constitutional guidelines in dealing with student's rights. They have more or less seperated the church and public schools. They have given school boards the power of decision, thereby forming a local democracy, they have also made it illegal to search a students belongings unless they have reasonable cause.

Many of you say that you don't mind getting tested because you have nothing to hide, but if they got you out of class, searched your car (which is now also allowed, if it is on school property), gave you a drug test, and searche your person all because another student claimed you were using drugs, wouldn't you fell the least bit violated?[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

Well the SC ruled that only students in after school activities, such as football or whatever were subject to random drug tests. They didn't say anything about the whole school. Usually they won't go so far as to search your car if a student claims you are using drugs. They may confront you or have you open your locker, but unless they have hard evidence, they usually won't go that far. The whole 4 years I was at school, they never, to my knowlege, searched anyone's car... they did have a drug bust when I was in 11th grade though... but they just arrested kids they already knew were selling/buying drugs (which they had ample proof of through tapped school telephones)

The bottom line is, school is a place you need to be safe and yo uneed to learn... not do drugs... not kill people, not anything.... it's a place you go to learn... you are basically, as I said... a slave to learning... Your freedom is givin back to you at 16, when you can legally drop out of school and legally leave your house, or be kicked out.... either way...

[Guest Hikaru Ichijyo]

I don't do drugs, so like everyone there is nothing for myself to worry about! :)

[SSJ Gotenks ok]

I hate tha whole idea a person should be able to smoke weed if they want too i smoke weed once in a while i dont think they should look for weed i think they should look for heavy drugs like cocaine or heroin those are the drugs that are really missin up people i dont feel that weed iz a drug they should be searching for because almost everyone in my school smoke herbs.

I dont like the whole idea of drug testing in school.
I like that it will get crack heads out of school but weed heads need to stay.:D

[Jesus Chicken]

Well just on the topic. Recently at my school, it was discovered that a teacher had been dealing drugs to the students, 18 counts of dealing in fact.
What do people think about the fact that teachers can often be as just as much to blame as the students?

[Queen Asuka]

[color=crimson][size=1]Sometimes I wonder why pot is illegal. Because if they made it legal, then it wouldn't be as expensive (I swear, I don't do it, but I'm trying to make a point). And pot harms your body, but it's not as bad as other stuff. It's not even as bad as smoking cigarettes, health wise. I think it's actually legal in like Oregon or something, and you can grow your own. I think that it should be regulated, like Lady M said. I wouldn't do it myself, but I know that it would have a significant change. And if was easily available, then kids wouldn't be trying to get it as much because it would take away the challenge and the whole rebelliousness of it.[/color][/size]

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SSJ Gotenks ok [/i]
[B]I hate tha whole idea a person should be able to smoke weed if they want too i smoke weed once in a while i dont think they should look for weed i think they should look for heavy drugs like cocaine or heroin those are the drugs that are really missin up people i dont feel that weed iz a drug they should be searching for because almost everyone in my school smoke herbs.

I dont like the whole idea of drug testing in school.
I like that it will get crack heads out of school but weed heads need to stay.:D [/B][/QUOTE]

But marijuana is illegal... so ofcourse they're not going to make an exception for you people. Thats just stupid.

If you smoke weed or do any other drugs, be prepared to pay the consequences and stop whining. It was your choice to do the drug, and it's your fault if they catch you.

It's quite obvious that they aren't going to overlook weed. If they catch people withit today they give them crimal sentences. So it makes no sense for them to overlook it. Esspecially snese it acts as somewhat of a halucinagen and anti-depressant... they don't want people playing sport when they're high.... It makes you stupid, hinders your ability to do anything, and prevents any type of brain and physical growth as well... which is why alot of people who smoke pot a young age are rather short and stupid. It's quite funny to laugh at them.

[Saiya-jinro]

I think its great that their starting too do this. This should have been done along time ago. People are just getting the short end of the stick when they use drugs.

[SSJ Gotenks ok]

I dont know anyone that's ever been high while playing a sport thats just stupid!!When i smoke a blunt i do it at home i dont go out and do it in public.I smoke weed just to relax when i had a ruff day at school when i come home i like to spark it up and just relax i dont like the idea of drugs in school but in the privacy of your house i dont see the harm of that.
well they can search me i dont have a problem with that since i never bring herbs to school but drug testing thats going to far if u ask me!!
And i agree weed should be lagalized i feel that cancer sticks(cigireits)are way worser so why shouldn't weed be legal.:therock:

[Lady Macaiodh]

[color=darkblue]one more thing: i saw a few of you mention that "if you want to do drugs, do it on your own time, not at school" as a reason why drug-testing at school should be no problem.

but you'll still test positive whether you're doing it at school or at home. you don't have to be high right at the time of testing. you can test positive for marijuana two weeks after you smoked it. & if you accidentally inhale second-hand smoke, it's possible you could test positive for that, too.[/color]

[Queen Asuka]

[color=crimson][size=1]I didn't know that smoking pot at a young age made people shorter. No WONDER every year the Freshmen that come up to high school are just getting shorter and shorter. We have some ninth graders that are only like 4' tall! That's freaking ridiculous...Today's generation of youth is so pathetic.[/color][/size]

[Guest Matt]

[color=red][b]Well, today I was at our post office, which is right across the street from the police station, and I saw this guy trying to sell drugs, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE STATION! How dumb do you have to be to know not to sell drugs in front of a police station?! Well, the police came out and arrested him. lol. :laugh:

And SSJ Gotenks, you say that you smoke weed at home to relax. Well, it's illegal. So, if I relax at home by shoot at people who come walking down the street, it's ok?? That is, obviously, illegal. Smoking weed is [i]illegal[/i]. What part of [i]illegal[/i] do you not understand? I suppose you also believe that it is not illegal unless you get caught, right??[/b][/color]

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Son Goten [/i]
[B][color=red][b]
And SSJ Gotenks, you say that you smoke weed at home to relax. Well, it's illegal. So, if I relax at home by shoot at people who come walking down the street, it's ok?? That is, obviously, illegal. Smoking weed is [i]illegal[/i]. What part of [i]illegal[/i] do you not understand? I suppose you also believe that it is not illegal unless you get caught, right??[/b][/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson][size=1]Thank you for making that point. You're absolutely right about how they are both illegal: doing pot and shooting people. I mean, it's not nearly the same thing because in one instance you are harming yourself while in the other instance you are harming other people, but it's still the same principal.[/color][/size]

[Anna]

Lady M: Yeah, that's right, I had forgotten about weed staying in your system for quite a bit after you smoke it...

BUT, people aren't supposed to be smoking it anyway, because it's illegal. :) I was mostly referring to cigarettes and alcohol with the 'do it home not at school' bit. Anywho......

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SSJ Gotenks ok [/i]
[B]I dont know anyone that's ever been high while playing a sport thats just stupid!!When i smoke a blunt i do it at home i dont go out and do it in public.I smoke weed just to relax when i had a ruff day at school when i come home i like to spark it up and just relax i dont like the idea of drugs in school but in the privacy of your house i dont see the harm of that.
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I can agree to some extent. i had previously said in some drug topic that I thought drugs should be legalized in the fact that people should only be allowed to do them privately and not in public or places with a high count of people, no pun intended. I also think the government should tax the hell out of them so that you people would go broke buying them. if they made it legal, street corner drug sales people would quickly lose all prophit. And then become virutally unexistant. WHich would be good, to some extent. I have this all planned out... OH! Thats a good platform to run for president on amung other things. anyway, onward.

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well they can search me i dont have a problem with that since i never bring herbs to school but drug testing thats going to far if u ask me!![/b][/quote]

Why is it going to far? If you don't bring your "herb" to school you should have nothing to worry about. it's a simple solution really... it's either drugs... or sports.... you choose, you can't have both. It's simple psychology... an approach approach method... two things you want but you can only have one, not both... you choose... Each has pro's and each has con's...

[quote][b]
And i agree weed should be lagalized i feel that cancer sticks(cigireits)are way worser so why shouldn't weed be legal.:therock: [/B][/QUOTE]

The reason why cigarrettes are not illegal is because they were a part of the culture of the WORLD before it came to knowledge they could cause cancer... kinda like opium, but no one does that stuff anymore. Another reason is because Marijuana is, like I said, a type of halucinagen and depressant... the last thing I want is someone around who's seeing things and is depressed.... above all that, that crap smells so bad.... I wanna puke everytime I smell someone who's been smoking pot.... It's worse than cigarrettes... BTW, inhaling smoke, no matter what form, WILL kill you and can give you lung cancer.... also, Marijuana tends to lead to more drugs,like Heroin or coke... not always, but alot of times it will... but then again, cigarrettes lead to pot... so who knows... I think once we make cigarrettes and alcohol illegal, things will get better as far as drug control... and we'll save tons of money too... but I dunno if that's ever gonna happen.

[Guest Matt]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]Marijuana tends to lead to more drugs,like Heroin or coke... not always, but alot of times it will... but then again, cigarrettes lead to pot... so who knows... I think once we make cigarrettes and alcohol illegal, things will get better as far as drug control... and we'll save tons of money too... but I dunno if that's ever gonna happen. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=red][b]That's why it's called the gateway drug. :) Well, I don't think cigarrettes or alcohol will ever become illegal. Alcohol was illegal at one point, remember the proabition?(sp?) I learned about it and it was when the US banned alcohol. But people just made it themselves and sold it, which was illegal. But so many people did it and complained soooo much, that they made it legal again. So I don't think they will be doing that again any time soon.[/b][/color]

[SSJ Gotenks ok]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Son Goten [/i]
[B][color=red][b]
And SSJ Gotenks, you say that you smoke weed at home to relax. Well, it's illegal. So, if I relax at home by shoot at people who come walking down the street, it's ok?? That is, obviously, illegal. Smoking weed is [i]illegal[/i]. What part of [i]illegal[/i] do you not understand? I suppose you also believe that it is not illegal unless you get caught, right??[/b][/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

That is not tha same dude am i hurting anyone when im doing it at home how can u compare that to shooting a person thats just dumb!!:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Transtic Nerve
Marijuana tends to lead to more drugs,like Heroin or coke... not always, but alot of times it will... but then again, cigarrettes lead to pot... so who knows... I think once we make cigarrettes and alcohol illegal, things will get better as far as drug control... and we'll save tons of money too... but I dunno if that's ever gonna happen.
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And i dont exactly aggre with that. Iv'e been smoking weed for about 3 years now and i have never got the urge to do another drug seeing how it messes up people's live's.I dont smoke cigarrettes because they smell and whats tha point of smoking tobacco and i dont drink alchol i feel that weed tends to lead to eating more food and thats it.:laugh: But thats just me

:D

[Frankie5 Angels]

Guess what kiddies,intill your 18 you dont have any rights.I mean god forbid they take a piece of your hair or make you piss in a cup.

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SSJ Gotenks ok [/i]
[B]

And i dont exactly aggre with that. Iv'e been smoking weed for about 3 years now and i have never got the urge to do another drug seeing how it messes up people's live's.I dont smoke cigarrettes because they smell and whats tha point of smoking tobacco and i dont drink alchol i feel that weed tends to lead to eating more food and thats it.:laugh: But thats just me

:D [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=royalblue]Uhh, yeah...that smoking weed is [i]really[/i] good for your health. So much so, that you can't even type properly. Nooo...weed doesn't affect people [i]at all[/i].

Ahem.

Actually, Marijuana is significantly more dangerous than tabacco. Not only does it cause the same physical ailments that tabacco is known to cause (everything from asthma and cancer to rotting flesh and heart attack), but over a long period of time, it actually causes significant mental instability...including paranoia, dulled senses, confusion/aggressive behavior, depression and in some cases, even skitzophrenia.

So, anyone who tries to say that pot is a "harmless drug that should be legal"...well, the facts speak against that kind of comment.

As for me, I don't care. If people want to smoke themselves to death...or ensure that in future, they will suffer from various mentail ailments...that's fine by me. I don't care.

But yes, drug testing should occur at schools. Not so much for the idiotic (and self destructive) drug users, but moreso for those who deal drugs to young kids who would otherwise not encounter them.[/color]

[Frankie5 Angels]

I guess everyone decided to skip over the main reason weed isnt legal.Because it cannot be taxed by the government.

[Anna]

Weed [i]is[/i] worse than cigarettes. I'm not going to go pull up already well-known facts about these two drugs that y'all should have already learned in Health (in like, 6th grade?? maybe even before that). But here's a tidbit: Marijuana has over 4,000 chemicals as opposed the couple hundred in cigarettes, and even more when lit. That's why you get such a better high with weed,...... all those chemicals are killing off all the more brain cells. No wonder you get that numbing, tingly sensation.

And yeah, weed can't exactly be taxed by the government. Isn't the reason 'cause about 90% is imported from all those South American countries and Carribean Islands?

[Megabakin]

I never did drugs. But my parent were potheads and I dont know if that will efffect me.

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SSJ Gotenks ok [/i]
[B]That is not tha same dude am i hurting anyone when im doing it at home how can u compare that to shooting a person thats just dumb!!:rolleyes:[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]What's dumb is that you don't realize that both smoking weed and shooting a person are both harming a person. They can easily be compared because they are both illegal, and they both harm a person. If you shoot someone you're harming the other person. If you smoke weed you're harming yourself and those who might inhale second-hand smoke.[/color]

[Lady Macaiodh]

[color=darkblue]oh my god, i cannot even believe the things i'm reading.

first of all, i happened to notice that everyone who is judging weed (who have never really done it, mind you) are making all sorts of assumtions based on what they've been told by the media, d.a.r.e class, & basic anti-marijuana advocates. yeah, they're real unbiased. "don't knock it 'til you've tried it." unless you've been there, don't act like you know what you're talking about.

secondly, i never said that weed is good for you. everyone knows it's not. i just think it's rather audacious that alcohol is legal & marijuana is not. weed is a [i]lot[/i] less dangerous than alcohol. i've never heard of anybody killing anyone in a car wreck, ODing, or getting a deadly disease from marijuana. even in the cases where somebody died of cancer who smoked weed, they usually smoked cigarettes too. so who's to say what they actually died of? from experience, the people i know who smoke weed who don't smoke [i]cigarettes[/i] are in a lot better health than the ones who do smoke cigarettes. so i haven't seen any evidence w/ my own eyes that proves weed is worse than cigarettes.

third, son goten is right. there is no way prohibition is going to fly. illegal distribution of alcohol was so rampant during prohibition, the govt. was forced to make it legal again. they could use the same logic for weed... you don't see dealers on the corner selling alcohol. that's b/c it's legal. gangs & "mafia" type organizations make their money off of drugs. if weed was legal, they'd have a lot less business in that area. crime would drop so much, it wouldn't even be funny.

lastly (& this was the thing that really pissed me off), i have a big problem w/ [i]someone[/i] implying that pot-smokers are stupid b/c they smoke. yeah, it's not great for you... so what? neither is eating fatty foods. i know plenty of potheads who are really smart. gotenks probably already didn't know how to type correctly. pot probably didn't have anything to do w/ it. i have been smoking weed for years & i don't think i'm too dumb. i actually think i'm very articulate. i may make a typo here & there, but so does everybody. so if you want to use potheads as an example of what weed does to you, why don't you look at some people who are smart & successful? but, no, nobody looks at those people.

& i find it rather hilarious that this certain someone who criticized gotenks' typing errors supposedly b/c he smoked weed... doesn't even know how to spell the word "tobacco." don't start, james. just b/c you're in charge, doesn't mean you're perfect. practice what you preach & don't make gross generalizations. i'm sorry, but i was highly offended by what you said. & i'm actually being nice about it right now.[/color]

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SSJ Gotenks ok [/i]
[B]


And i dont exactly aggre with that. Iv'e been smoking weed for about 3 years now and i have never got the urge to do another drug seeing how it messes up people's live's.I dont smoke cigarrettes because they smell and whats tha point of smoking tobacco and i dont drink alchol i feel that weed tends to lead to eating more food and thats it.:laugh: But thats just me

:D [/B][/QUOTE]

There's nothing to agree with.... It's a FACT... I even stated it "tends to..." key word is "tends"... which means it does and it doesn't. Maybe not in your case, but in many others it does. You can't speak from your own personal experience... you have to speak from knowledge of a whole.

Lady M... I've tried weed before... didn't care for it, never did it again. But I've seen what it did to one of my long time friends. It f-ed him up really bad. Now I don't need to "knock it before I try it"... I can just take one look at my friend and go "I'm never gonna do that crap"... and I'll be damned if I don't knock it again and again.... You think my friend likes to be stupid? DO you think he likes ot be in jail?... You think he likes to have a habbit that is hard for him to drop? He leads one hell of a miserable life now, and it's because of him smoking weed and cigarrettes.... I have all the right in the world to knock it and so does everyone else. Those media adds, not that I've seen much for Marijuana, don't lie.... they tell the truth, and i have one of my best friends to proove that... and thats enough for me to know better. I dunno if it is for you though. Maybe one day it will be... maybe it'll be you who becomes that best friend....