Murder in Korea-Who's fault?

[eleanor]

Just a month or so ago, my mom told me about this mrder in Korea, and I'm bored...so yeah.

This man in Korea was very smart, and he went to the top Korean College in Korea, and he married someone and moved to U.S.A to work at the University of Chiciago. He had some children, and one, a son, did not do well in school. His only good subject was language arts, and he had no friends at all.

The father was very dissappointed, because his whole family was full of good schoalars that went to only the good schools in Korea. later, they moved back to Korea, and the boy, not knwing Korean language well, did horrible in school. He still didn't have any friends either. THe father thought of an idea and he sent his som to America, where he could live with a friend.

Apparently, the son did horrible in school in America also, and he still had no friends. His father got very angry and made him come back to Korea. The son was now 18 years old, and he could not even get into one of the poor colleges in Korea.

He went to a Community College, and he stayed there doing poor work until he had to go to the army. (in Korea, every man has to go to the army for threee years) Usually, before someone has to go to the army, he and his friends go out ot drink and party and stuff. Apparently, he still had no friends but he still went out to drink with people he knew.

Now, the boy usually came home late, and he was used to getting small lectures from his father. The boy expected his father to be asleep, for he came home at 11:00. (just so you know, in Korea, parents are more strict. Thats what my mom says) The father, instead of going to sleep was waiting for the boy and was furius when he came home.

He lectured him for two whole hours, instead of like 15 minutes, and then went to sleep. The boy, of course, could not sleep, because he felt very bad. He saw a ski pole in his room and took it. He went to the kitchen and tied a knife at the end. He went to his father's room and murdered him.

Just so you know, the father and son lived with their grandmother, because the mother and dausghters stayed in Korea. The grandmother came because she heard screaming and the boy murdered his granmother also. The boy saw what he had done, and lit his home with fire. He then fled to America. Police came and put out the fire, but the body's were not burned to ashes, just burned on the skin.

Police found that they were murdered and caught the son and he is in jail now.

So, who do think is the one to blame here? I think it's the parents and the son's fault.

[Boba Fett]

I havent heard about this before. Hmmmmmmm,

I think this is the son's fault. Murder for this kind of petty thing is stupid. The father has every right to lecture his son, and if the son does not like it, he can leave.

The son should be executed.

[Boo]

I havent heard about this too. Hmmmm...... MAybe I have too go out some more

[eleanor]

I don't know, don't you think it's the parent's fault too?

[Boba Fett]

Nope, the son clearly is in the wrong. The situation did not warrant murder. The son should have apologized and gone to bed. This man had problems, killing his father was no way to solve them.

The father did what was right, he may have been a little excessive in his lecturing his son, but he was right.

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Boba Fett [/i]
[B]Nope, the son clearly is in the wrong. The situation did not warrant murder. The son should have apologized and gone to bed. This man had problems, killing his father was no way to solve them.

The father did what was right, he may have been a little excessive in his lecturing his son, but he was right.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]I must say I disagree. There was nothing for the son to apologize about, for one. I have no clue what you're talking abuot there. What is it? "Woops, sorry, dad. I killed you."?

This just another case of abusive parents. Just on the same level is that dad was a drunk and beat his son. Except it's not phsyical abuse his son was taking, it's verbal, and from his father. A guy who is supposed to encourage a kid and set a good example is talking down to you. Someone you're supposed to look up to thinks you are worth nothing. That's going to leave the kid with some issues throughout his life. Not to mention being shipped across the world only to come back, and with no change. His time was wasted, and for nothing. He never had any friends, which in any case is a major depressant. Then he would have to come home every night to listen to his father's lecturing.

I'm not saying murder was the right way to go, but that father needs to learn that not everybody can be an uptight "smart-guy" like him. Even the pain of death won't measure what kind of mental anguish he has put on his son. Though, I'm sure if the son had found a way to take legal action against him, he could have been emancipated from his father's consent, and lived more peacefully elsewhere. The only question would be where..[/color]

[Anna]

While parents are strict and abusive in many sorts of ways, it's still point-blank wrong that the son murdered his father. Killing, violence, it never solves anything; once one problem is 'taken care of', another one is waiting behind it, thus the son is in jail and facing heavy charges. I wonder if he prefers the jail wardens to his father's lectures? Especially in Asia......... they're MUCH tougher than ones here. Lectures and the average strictness of standards definately add stress to a child's life and will no doubt have a lasting affect, but it doesn't justify murder. The ONLY scenario in which I think murder of a parent is justifiable is when there is physical abuse and constant danger of the child ceasing to live, like a case I saw once on tv about a girl who shot her father after he had raped her for over 11 years (she was 18 at that time) and beat her sister since she was like, 6 or something. THAT, I think, is a little more serious than lectures. Not to say this other kid wasn't frustrated-trust me, I can relate, my own father's character is actually quite similar... super-smart scholar and everything...-but the father didn't deserve that. The kid should have moved out and made his own life. Everyone has to at some time anyway.

[Red]

[B]I still say murder is a little far, but I agree with Piromunkie.

The kid must have been [i]very[/i] depressed having no friends.
I get depressed when I fall out with just one of my friends, and I have friends to fall back on when I get in trouble etc, the Korean kid didn't.[/B]

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by anime_gurl [/i]
[B]So, who do think is the one to blame here? [/B][/QUOTE]

Uhhh, it's OBVIOUSLY the son's fault. I mean, how dense are you to think that the father is in anyway responcible for this? The son took a knife on a poll and killed his father, end of story.

The father, at least from the version you are telling, didn't seem to be that tought a guy. I mean, he had high expectations, and the kid was obviously not ver smart and couldn't meet them. I'm sure there were reasons he did bad in school, that perhaps you or your mother left out of the story. Regardless, coming home drunk and late is well enough reason to be "lectured" for 2 hours. 2 hours is nothing! Plus he shouldn't have come late drunk. If I ever had my kid do that, I'd lock him in his/her room for 3 days. 2 Hours was a let me go....

Anyway, the son obviously snapped and it's 100% his fault. He reacted on his emotions and oh well. You shouldn't do that, because you can never be rational doing so, and he wasn't very rational. Not to mention he wasn't the smartest kid. He is where he belongs. Out of society. He should have learned when he had the chance.

[Boba Fett]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i]
[B][color=indigo] There was nothing for the son to apologize about, for one. I have no clue what you're talking abuot there. What is it? "Woops, sorry, dad. I killed you."?
[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

No, it is not. The son was out later than he was allowed to be, therefore he should have apologized to his father for that.

The son was eighteen, if his father really bothered him that much why didnt the son leave his fathers house? He was old enough.

I agree that the father wasnt very nice to the son and was wrong to send him back to Korea for simply doing poorly in school, but verbal abuse? If the son was usually coming home late, than perhaps the long lecture was justified.

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Boba Fett [/i]
[B]No, it is not. The son was out later than he was allowed to be, therefore he should have apologized to his father for that.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]Ok, I see what you're talk about there now. But one would imagine that the son probably [i]did[/i] apologize, and many times at that. I mean, I'm sure you've all had to argue with your parents before, and you say, "I'm sorry, blah blah" and then they say, "There's no excuse! Blah blah blah... I don't think you really [i]are[/i] sorry! blah blah blah" And given the situation, I imagine what his dad was sayin was pretty bad. I have come home late from things plenty of times and never really got "lectured" too much.

As for why he didn't just leave, because he was 18. Who said he had somewhere to go? Let alone the money for it. Stay at home for free? or become broke living somewhere else and end up on the streets or back at home? That's kind of what I was sort of getting towards at the end of my previous post.

If the father hadn't been so aggressive and uptight about having a son that isn't as smart as he was, there's a pretty good chance the son never would had killed his father. Just because people are in the same gene pool does not mean they will come out the same, and the father couldn't except his sons mediocre(sp?) life. Not everyone knows everything. People just have to learn to accept that, which the father did not and took it out on his son.[/color]

[Justin]

It's the son's fault. The da pushed him, yes, but it's still the son's fault.

EVERY father should push their childrne to be better. I think that's one of a father's duties. Now, it's also his job to comfort his child when his child needs it, but that kid did something wrong and got caught--over and over again. In my opinion, he got off easy.

-Justin

[Guest Solid Snake]

[color=teal]Well, here we are looking at two different justifications. On one side, the kid is right because of the mental anguish that his father caused him. On the other, the father is right because he has every reason to punish his son, and two wrongs don't make a right.

I am now going to do my best to clear these two up. :)

An old saying justifying the kid's actions goes something like "the fault of the kid, is usually by fault of their parents." The child's failures in life were obviously caused, some way or another, by his parents. I mean to say, it's not very often that one would create such an environment on his own behalf, but instead would usually take what they learned friom their parents and apply it in the real world. The lectures that he recieved were also uncalled for. As a human being, we are liable to make mistakes, and as such, we should be forgiven of them at times. His father needed to understand that not everyone is a genuis like him, and he needs to accept that. Constant abuses arn't going to get your kid to act right, you need to treat them with the respect they deserve. As my previous Government teacher once said, if you continuosly set tight restictions for a child, they will just snap later in life and go on a killing spree. ;)

However, some of us believe that the right of way is with his father. For this, there is a saying that goes "two wrongs do not make a right." Some claim that the boy's father was doing all that he could to get his son in line. His punishments were perfectly acceptable because, as a loving parent, he wanted the best for his son. It is said that just because the son thought he was being "mean" doesn't justify the kid to kill his father.

I tend to lean toward the kid's side on this one. As the child of a hopeless maniac who loves dishing out verbal abuse, I can tell that, because the father thinks he is perfect in every way, he thinks everyone else is and gets ::ahem:: a little angry whenever I mess up. Although I'm not sure what it's like with no friends, I am sure that it would be worse than my senario. So yes, I agree with Priomunkie.[/color]

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[Sara]

Hmmm...let's see. Is it the kid's fault he went berserk and killed someone? No! Of course not.

Good lord, people. Try to blame everyone but the killer. Because God forbid it would actually be his fault....

[Guest Solid Snake]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cera [/i]
[B]Hmmm...let's see. Is it the kid's fault he went berserk and killed someone? No! Of course not.

Good lord, people. Try to blame everyone but the killer. Because God forbid it would actually be his fault.... [/B][/QUOTE]
[color=teal]Well, you have to consider the actions taken by the victom and the suspect before the crime. It's near, if not more, important to the crime itself. :) [/color]

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[Sara]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Solid Snake [/i]
[B][color=teal]On one side, the kid is right because of the mental anguish that his father caused him. [/B][/QUOTE]My parents are causing me some serious mental anguish right now. 'Scuse me whilst I go and murder them...

I'm sorry, but regardless of previous actions, or circumstances, or whatever you care to call them, murder is not justified in any way.

[Boba Fett]

[QUOTE]I'm sorry, but regardless of previous actions, or circumstances, or whatever you care to call them, murder is not justified in any way.[/QUOTE]

Well said Cera. My thoughts exactly.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i]
[B][color=indigo]Ok, I see what you're talk about there now. But one would imagine that the son probably [i]did[/i] apologize, and many times at that. I mean, I'm sure you've all had to argue with your parents before, and you say, "I'm sorry, blah blah" and then they say, "There's no excuse! Blah blah blah... I don't think you really [i]are[/i] sorry! blah blah blah" And given the situation, I imagine what his dad was sayin was pretty bad. I have come home late from things plenty of times and never really got "lectured" too much.[/color][/B][/QUOTE]

I wouldn't think my son was really sorry either if he had made a habit of being out late and coming home, saying "sorry" and doing the same thing night after night. After a while I would have blown my top and lectured him till his ears fell off.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i][B][color=indigio]
As for why he didn't just leave, because he was 18. Who said he had somewhere to go? Let alone the money for it. Stay at home for free? or become broke living somewhere else and end up on the streets or back at home? That's kind of what I was sort of getting towards at the end of my previous post.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

Ah, but he [I]did[/I] have somewhere to go. The army. He could have packed and left that night instead of being lectured, then showed up wherever he was supposed to the next morning. He would have three years to earn money, then when he was done he could get another job, go back to the states, or stay in the army and become a career soldier.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i]
[B][color=indigo]If the father hadn't been so aggressive and uptight about having a son that isn't as smart as he was, there's a pretty good chance the son never would had killed his father. Just because people are in the same gene pool does not mean they will come out the same, and the father couldn't except his sons mediocre(sp?) life. Not everyone knows everything. People just have to learn to accept that, which the father did not and took it out on his son.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

I agree with you on this point. The father should have accepted his son the way he was and shouldn't have sent him back to Korea. But this was no "License to Kill".

[Anna]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Solid Snake [/i]
[B]
[color=teal]Well, you have to consider the actions taken by the victom and the suspect before the crime. It's near, if not more, important to the crime itself. :) [/color]

:blah: [/B][/QUOTE]

Not necessarily. Murder is only justifiable by self-defense. The dad may have said a lot of stuff, but the kid wasn't in danger. Other than that the law doesn't care if Sally Sue over here just had it with her mom because her mom always told her she was fat, the law doesn't care if Billy was angry because his girlfriend dumped him for his brother, or if this kid had had it with his dad because he was super-strict: killing is wrong. Period. End of that discussion. What if someone just got so mega-pissed at you and decided they'd had enough of your b.s., so they're gonna blow you away? Is that fair? Heck no. Self-defense is the ONLY semi-excuse for murder. In my previous post about that girl who shot her father because she 'had it' with him raping her all the time, she got life without parole....... and that was self-defense!

You think the law would go easy on this punk just because his father [i]lectured[/i] him? Personally, I'd take some mental anguish and lengthy lectures than sexual abuse. But that's just me.

Point is this kid *really* didn't have it so bad. Okay, if this father didn't care about his son and was just sooooo mean, would he have bothered with the extreme expenses of sending him to schools across an ocean? Have any idea what a financial burden that would be? But the father did it anyway........ I'd be bloody mad, too, if my son threw all that right back in my face after I tried to give him opportunites like that. And yeah, I'd probably give him a lecture or two of my own! Now obviously we don't have the whole picture of who this son and this father really was, but from what I see, it's a typical Asian father hoping his son can become like him, successful. You know what, I bet it's the American school system that corrupted the boy's learning. Public schools and even some private schools are way more lax than Asian schools. Anyway, I still say it's the son's fault.

[amibasuki]

yeah, that's what I was gonna say. the kid could've just decided to be lazy about his schoolwork, and that's why he was getting bad grades all the time. if that was the case, I don't blame the dad for getting on his case all the time, he deserved it. and killing his dad and grandmother were inexcusable actions. I get really tired of my parents (as I'm sure a lot of you do as well), but I'm not gonna go and shoot them in the head cuz they pissed me off.

[Sara]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Anna [/i]
[B]Self-defense is the ONLY semi-excuse for murder. [/B][/QUOTE]Good choice of words....

[Amphion]

Its in no way the fathers fault. Yes, he might have said the wrong things or was a little too harsh, But he wanted the best for his son. And to see your son sit and do nothing and not succeed in life hurts a father. It makes the father feel as though he has failed. He did whatever he could think of that might put some good into his kid's head. The kid is just a weak minded coward. I hope he is in jail untill he dies.

[Kazuko]

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Edited October 13, 2017 by Kazuko

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Boba Fett [/i]
[B]I wouldn't think my son was really sorry either if he had made a habit of being out late and coming home, saying "sorry" and doing the same thing night after night. After a while I would have blown my top and lectured him till his ears fell off.[/b][/quote][color=indigo]Why do you think he was staying out late? Cause he knew he was just going home to his father who, probably regardless whether he was out late or not, would have 'lectured' him a bit just on not doing well in school. Sure staying out late was just going to make it worse, but the later your out, the more tired his dad would get, and would not want to deal with him as long tell him to go to bed, and by morning perhaps his dad wouldn't be as mad cause he would be rested and such.[/color][quote][b]Ah, but he [I]did[/I] have somewhere to go. The army. He could have packed and left that night instead of being lectured, then showed up wherever he was supposed to the next morning. He would have three years to earn money, then when he was done he could get another job, go back to the states, or stay in the army and become a career soldier.[/b][/quote][color=indigo][b]Drop and give me fifty, maggot!! You think you're good enough for the army?!!? Come on!! Move! Move! Work those scrawny little arms!!![/b] Oh yeah, the army is a great place for a kid with his problems to go to![/color][quote][b]I agree with you on this point. The father should have accepted his son the way he was and shouldn't have sent him back to Korea. But this was no "License to Kill".[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]No where did I ever say that it was right for the son to kill his dad. In fact, I even said that it wasn't in my first post. I'm not defending the fact that the son killed his father, I'm defending that the son isn't the one to blame. [i]That's[/i] what this topic is about. It's who is to blame for [i]why[/i] the son killed his father, not who's to blame for killing the father. When it comes to blame you have to dig deeper than the typical "whodunnit?". Just as an example, if a "villain" were to brainwash a person, hypnotize them (and have it work) or something like that, and ordered that person to go kill someone and they did. Who is to blame? The way you guys are talking you would say the guy who killed the people. Let's quote Cera right quick: "[i]I'm sorry, but regardless of previous actions, or circumstances, or whatever you care to call them, murder is not justified in any way.[/i]" Gee, if someone was hypnotized, and killed someone under that hypnosis, they are still to blame? It's not their fault their weak minded to fall under such things like that.

You'll probably argue the point that some being hypnotized and this are different situations, but that's not really true. Did the son really [i]want[/i] to kill his dad? Or was it something in his mind that finally just snapped because his dad has caused him so many issues to deal with?
It's just the same as the hypnotist would have messed with something inside the guys weak mind, and he would go off and kill someone.

Sure it's his fault for killing the person, but he's not to blame for why he killed him.[/color]

[Juu]

Wow, I actually haven't heard of dis before!! OMG, and I usually get the updates on korean news,... (since I'm korean+ my family lives there)

Definately the sons fault. I know how korean parents are, I've seen the stictest ones, but none of them have been mean enough to anger their sons/daughters that much. The son seriously needs to work on his anger management. The only reason why his father would scold him is because he loves him... right? And if his father scolds him about not doing well in school.... perhaps the son needs to study more..... *shrugs* but seriously, He needs to control his anger,.... but of course, he could of been drunk when he did it....

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Juuthena [/i]
[B]The only reason why his father would scold him is because he loves him... right?[/b][/quote][color=indigo]Only if you live in "Perfectville". I'm sure there have been more than enough cases anywhere, where someone would abuse or hurt (phsyically or otherwise) another, and say they did it because they loved them. I mean, idiots try to use that as a reason in court.[/color][quote][b]And if his father scolds him about not doing well in school.... perhaps the son needs to study more..... *shrugs*[/b][/quote][color=indigo]Gee, I have no friends, my father yells at me all the time when I do the slightest thing wrong, and I'm getting shipped halfway across the world! Boy do I feel like studying!

With a kid like that, school is the last thing on his mind.[/color][quote][b]but seriously, He needs to control his anger,....[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]Even the strongest of minds break down sometime.[/color]