LittleFluteSan Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 I've been going to bookstores and looking for novelizations of the story, and I can only find books that go as far as the Namek Saga that have Toriyama's name on it. Did he write the entire DBZ series? I ask because of this: There seems to be a definite break in the themes of the story after the Namek Saga, through Garlic Jr. I guess, but once the Trunks Saga starts, there is most definitly another creative force at work there because alot of the themes that were HUGE points in the Namek Saga that were completely ignored in the later sagas. And the way the story was written, it kind of seems like everything builds up to the fight on Freiza, and once he dies, that's a very definite conclusion to the story. My theory is that DBZ was supposed to end with Freiza, but continued due the the popularity/marketability of the story and characters. I'm not as huge into all the online type stuff as some of y'all (net surfing blows at 56.6k modem speed), so does anyone know if indeed someone else joined the creative writing team of DBZ after Namek/Garlic Jr. Saga? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSJ Pud Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 All i know is that Toriyama was a writer and artist for all of Dragonball and Dragonball Z. The someone else wrote and drew for GT. I dun know who else helped him in DB and SBZ though cause i am sure it was not jus him by himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 [color=darkblue] Akira wrote all of DB and DBZ, except for the movies (not sure about the DB movies, but he didn't do the DBZ ones). I still wouldn't mind knowing the name of the guy who did GT though, never met anyone who knew it. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 [b]Toriyama did help a little with GT, but he did write all of DB and DBZ (and he drew, but not the [i]entire[/i] series).[/B] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 DB and DBZ were all written and drawn by Akira Toriyama. The Manga that is. When the series came about, not much of the story was changed, and a few things were added (ie: The Garlic Jr. Saga) And if anyone's read the manga before, it's pretty much right inline with the series as far as plot, time line, and even specifics on the characters. The Manga did tend to go into a little more detail, but thats besides the point. When it comes to GT, Toriyama was the lead charatcer designer. Anyone can plainly point out the almost exact similarities between Chrono Trigger and DBGT characters, all drawn by Toriyama. However the storyline itself was not. I believe the story was written based on a compilation of ideas from people at bird studios. Originally DBGT was supposed to be significantly shorter than it's now 64 episodes, but the Shenlong saga was made by Bird studios because they wanted something that could coincide with the release of the DragonBall: Final Bout game. So without that game, no one would know of a SS-J 4 Gogeta.... anyway... so yeah. Toriyama didn't write everything in dragonball, but he did have a part it in all. One way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Toriyama did write the Trunks saga, and all the other sagas of DBZ. He just kind of skipped things when they weren't convenient for the series. -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleFluteSan Posted July 12, 2002 Author Share Posted July 12, 2002 Would you know where to get an online copy of the original Manga to read? that would be interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Solid Snake Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by LittleFluteSan [/i] [B]And the way the story was written, it kind of seems like everything builds up to the fight on Freiza, and once he dies, that's a very definite conclusion to the story. My theory is that DBZ was supposed to end with Freiza, but continued due the the popularity/marketability of the story and characters.[/B][/QUOTE] [color=teal]As it seems everyone has contributed their knowledge accordingly to everything else you said, I suppose that I will fill you on in this. Furiza was never going to be the last saga. I have a feeling that, to make a better story, Toriyama used his writing skills to make the ending more dramatic to make it seem like there was going to be nothing else...and then there was. I was once told, however, that due to the popularity of the anime, another saga was added on; the saga you curently know as the Majin Buu saga. Toriyama had planned for the Cell era to be the end of Dragonball Z, but when it ended, it just didn't feel right to him. Therefore, he started a new saga seven years in the future to pick up on the old, but was able to take it to a new level due to the time switch.[/color] :blah: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonstar Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 :D The writers of a show are usually shown right at the end of the closing credits, so for the write of GT you may wanna check there. I don't know much about it though, we don't have GT in England, we're running throuht the Buu Saga for the third time, if they're showing it at all. And our digital supplier went bust so I'm kinda suffering DBZ withdrawal at the moment.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Harris Posted July 13, 2002 Share Posted July 13, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Solid Snake [/i] [B] [color=teal]As it seems everyone has contributed their knowledge accordingly to everything else you said, I suppose that I will fill you on in this. Furiza was never going to be the last saga. I have a feeling that, to make a better story, Toriyama used his writing skills to make the ending more dramatic to make it seem like there was going to be nothing else...and then there was. I was once told, however, that due to the popularity of the anime, another saga was added on; the saga you curently know as the Majin Buu saga. Toriyama had planned for the Cell era to be the end of Dragonball Z, but when it ended, it just didn't feel right to him. Therefore, he started a new saga seven years in the future to pick up on the old, but was able to take it to a new level due to the time switch.[/color] :blah: [/B][/QUOTE] It's sad that the Frieza series didn't end it all. I hated the Cell story. It's like Toriyama ran out of ideas because he made the Frieza series so good. THe Majin Buu storyline is pretty good but I haven't seen it all yet. Sorry if I am off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted July 13, 2002 Share Posted July 13, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shadowdramon [/i] [B]It's sad that the Frieza series didn't end it all. I hated the Cell story. It's like Toriyama ran out of ideas because he made the Frieza series so good.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]I doubt it was because the Furiza saga was so good.. His brain was probably numb cause the Furiza saga was so [i]long[/i]. That was really the most drawn out thing I've ever seen.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 i agree that Toriyama ran out of ideas after the Garlic.Jr. saga,well look at the Majin Buu saga and the way they created Majin Buu.Buu is a cross between Freeza and Cell.Super Buu's moves are similar to Cell while Kid Buu's moves are of Freeza(true form). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 [color=darkblue] That's not true. Garlic Jr. was just a time filler. For what, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't even in the manga, and the other sagas are. What I heard was that it was ending with Cell saga, but everyone hated DBZ for Goku dying, so they did the Buu saga, but that's probably wrong. I agree with Solid Snake's point more. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenkai Powa Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Toriyama himself admitted that he originally planned to end the series with the Freeza Saga. Yet one of the producers(and some fans) convinced him to continue. At the end of the Cell Saga he was going to end it. Again he was convinced to start another Saga. During the Buu Saga he was going to end it after Gohan got his power up from Rou Dai Kaioshin. But the fans wanted Son Gokuu to kill Buu so he drug it out. After that he said he would stop there. Then Toei wanted to cash in and he refused. So they got him to do some character designs and that's pretty much it for DBGT. The Garlick Jr. Saga was filler. They needed something to show until they convinced Toriyama to continue. Same with the Annoy Ichi Budoukai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutieKitty101 Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 Anime (or manga) just isn't the same without more Dragonball seasons being made. I wish that Akira-san continued. How he could've gotten tired of Dragonball I'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Harris Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 Maybe if he had went on to do GT himself the show may have turned out differently. Or maybe it would have been worse. Toriyama looked like he was drying out around the end of the Cell saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenkai Powa Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CutieKitty101 [/i] [B]Anime (or manga) just isn't the same without more Dragonball seasons being made. I wish that Akira-san continued. How he could've gotten tired of Dragonball I'll never know. [/B][/QUOTE] Because he let the fans influence his opinions so much. It wasn't fun anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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