Maester Seymour Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Normaly a Saiyan back on Planet Vegeta would have a tail but when Goku Vegeta and the other went Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 and 3 they didn't have tails so I'm thinging about that weahter the Super Saiyan levels are actualy a defect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 [color=darkblue] No, they are just stronger with the Super Saiya-jin levels (I could be wrong though), because they don't have tails (like Vegeta mentioned, the Legendary Super Saiya-Jin had a tail and was a Golden Oozaru, so the point I made would be wrong, seeing as how Golden Oozaru is stronger than SSJ). So the real question would be: How strong would Goku and Vegeta be if they went into the same state of SSJ as the legendary one, and proceeded to excel in levels (like they did in their normal SSJ state). Sorry if this post made no sense, but what I'm trying to say is: How strong would they be if they kept excelling like they did (in normal form), if they proceeded like that in golden oozaru state. Would there be golden oozaru SSJ4? :p [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazuko Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 (edited) ... Edited October 13, 2017 by Kazuko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 [color=darkblue] Actually, SSJ4 is stronger than Golden Oozaru, I was just stating that if they had their tails when they went SSJ for the first time, then when they proceeded to go SSJ2,3,and so forth, they would be who knows how strong. But yes, SSJ4 is beyone golden oozaru. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SephirothNIN Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 I thought that not having a tail was a requirement for going SSj in the first place. Having the tail just lets you transform when looking at the moon (or earth). Ssj4 was....after oozaru, but Goku had his tail in ssj4...that could be why there's no gold hair and turquoise eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 [color=darkblue] No, because (in the dubs, ugh, maybe subs) Vegeta recollects about the Legendary SSJ (in the frieza saga when goku arrives), and wonders about Goku being SSJ, and when he remembers the image of the Legendary SSJ, he remembers it being a giant, golden ape (Golden Oozaru). [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GriffXL Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 if a saiyan still had his tail and went ssj he would stay the same.Having blonde hair and green eyes is something a saiyan with no tail goes through lik an effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 [color=darkblue] What I was saying, is that my theory was, that if they had a tail, and they went SSJ for the first time, I think they would go Golden Oozaru, and when they advance, it would be like Golden Oozaru 2 :p That's just what I'm guessing, because the Legendary SSJ vegeta speaks of in the Furiza Saga looks like he's Golden Oozaru. That's just my theory though. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 I get what you're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrat Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 I have a theory- Since "true" Sayians have tails, and black hair. Maybe the levels up to Ssj4 is just steps leading up to the true super sayian level? But i would doubt it because toriyama had nothing to do with Gt right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 [color=indigo]Actually, you are somewhat correct. The DragonBall series tells of a Super Saiya-jin who appears every 1,000 years. When Kakarot reaches that level, he appears to be that Saiya-jin, but then movie #8 came by having Brolli as the Legendary Saiya-jin, and then everbody else began to reach the Super Saiya-jin level. So the people in GT tried to clarify this confusion by creating the Super 4 level which is supposed to be the "true" Super Saiya-jin level. Although I think that level confused more people than it did make them realize it's purpose. Some might retort that Vegeta, then also reached the Super 4 level, but let's just remember that he used the Brute Ray, where as Kakarot did it naturally. That was the whole idea behind the Super 4 level.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegitto4 Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 And the wisdom of PiroMunkie rises again!!!!!!!!!! Well, I was going to post something to the effect of that, but he got here first... **note to self: kill piro** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss2Serren Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 Why does it seem like all the strong people loses there tails. Like Goku,Vegeta,Gohan, and Brioly. I wondered if they went SS with there tail would they look different. and ow much stronger would they be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 yeah piro beat me to what i was going to say lol but now that we are talking about tails i forget if goten was born with or without the tail beacuse i haven't been around the house much to watch the episodes and my dad forgets to tape them :p ~GG~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenkai Powa Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 Saiya-jins are stronger with there tails Supposedly. But it seems that it didn't matter after the Freeza Saga. And on the subject of Golden Oozaru, that was filler on Toei's part. Vejita simply wonders if Son Gokuu has reached the level of Super Saiya-jin. It's not like he would know what one would look like anyway. Freeza-Sama maybe, but not Vejita. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted July 21, 2002 Share Posted July 21, 2002 [quote][i]Originally posted by ss2Serren[/i][b] Why does it seem like all the strong people loses there tails. Like Goku,Vegeta,Gohan, and Brioly. I wondered if they went SS with there tail would they look different. and ow much stronger would they be.[/b][/quote] [color=darkblue] If you read my theory, I said that I think that if they had their tails when they first went SSJ, they would be Golden Oozaru, just a theory. Then when they advanced in levels they would be like Golden Oozaru 2. Or maybe they would just go SSJ4, or something. Just a theory, though. And Piro's theory is better than mine. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenkai Powa Posted July 21, 2002 Share Posted July 21, 2002 They have to look at the full earth to transform into a Golden Oozaru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted July 21, 2002 Share Posted July 21, 2002 [color=darkblue] Note that I said it was a [b]theory[/b]. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenkai Powa Posted July 21, 2002 Share Posted July 21, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Aries [/i] [B][color=darkblue] Note that I said it was a [b]theory[/b]. [/color] [/B][/QUOTE] I was just saying...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted July 21, 2002 Share Posted July 21, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Zenkai Powa [/i] [B] I was just saying...... [/B][/QUOTE] You mean you were just spamming. This comment wasn't needed. SSJ4 is a Saiya-jin's true form. An 'ultimate' version of themselves. If a Saiya-jin with a tail went Super Saiya-jin, they would probably just go SSJ. Like Chibi Kakarot in GT. He goes SSJ, and nothing extra happens. The same for SSJ2 and SSJ3. But when he goes SSJ4, after gaining control over Golden Oozaru and powering down to SSJ4, instantly he reverts back to his prime. The same happens with Vegita. So my theory is this: If a Saiya-jin with a tail goes Super, he'll just go Super like normal, maybe have a little more power as Saiya-jins are stronger with their tails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted July 21, 2002 Share Posted July 21, 2002 [color=darkblue] I see that, I forgot about how Chibi Goku went SSJ with a tail. And as someone said earlier, Vegeta probably envisioned the Legendary SSJ from some thousand years ago like that. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Chaozu Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 A Saiyan can't turn Super Saiyan with a tail simple as that. If you want my advice. Read the manga, the ones translated by Viz are just as good as any. That story Vegeta about the Legendary SSJ tells in the Frieza Saga is not in the original manga so wipe it from your memory banks hehe. Dragonball\Z\GT is very confusing when you try to mix it in with the manga and the anime. Akira originally was going to end the series after the Frieza Saga but TOEI wanted more and more and kept pushing so the creator kept wrighting. The movies don't fit in the timeline so disregard those too. Another thing, Brolli is NOT the Legendary SSJ. They just made that up because everyone and their dog started becoming SSJ and they needed an explanation. Goku is the legendary one, simple as that. Dragonball GT has so many plot holes I don't know where to begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zora Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ~Gohans Gurl~ [/i] [B]yeah piro beat me to what i was going to say lol but now that we are talking about tails i forget if goten was born with or without the tail beacuse i haven't been around the house much to watch the episodes and my dad forgets to tape them :p ~GG~ [/B][/QUOTE] [color=blue]I don't think Goten ever had a tail, he just appeared in the series at about 8 years old. (It says his age in the world tournament) Then there was Chibi Trunks who also never had a tail. You can tell that TOEI shifted around the entire story line.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ~Mystic~ Posted July 29, 2002 Share Posted July 29, 2002 i thought that the reason sayajin's go super instead of oozaru was because they had no tails...like if they had tails they went golden oozaru but because they have no tails they go super sayajin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Chaozu Posted July 29, 2002 Share Posted July 29, 2002 Yes Saiyans can't go Super Saiyan if they have tails. So there is no "if they went SS with a tail" because they can't. And just for the record, VEGETA DIDN'T CHEAT SSJ4!!! The brute ray just allowed his tail to grow back to he could turn Oozaru once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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