Manic Webb Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 Consider this scenario... It's said that the power of the dragon cannot exceed the power of its creator. So, that means the dragon can't do anything the creator can't do, right? So, Vegeta and Freeza went up to Namek to fetch a bunch of dragon balls. Let's say one of them (maybe Vegeta) wished for immortality. Could the dragon have granted that wish? I mean, Saichiro/Guru created the dragon and he died. If the dragon actually had the power to make Vegeta immortal, wouldn't that mean Guru would have that same power? Wouldn't that mean Guru shouldn't have died? While I'm on the subject, how come Shenlong could transport a planet full of unsuspecting Namekians to Earth, but he couldn't get rid of Vegeta and Nappa on their first trip to Earth? The mind boggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleFluteSan Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 I remember hearing that the power of the dragon cannot exceed the power if it's creator. But I remember hearing it in enligsh, which means that it might not be true.... anything you hear in the english language may have been altered a little bit from the original story... I'm not sure what the original japanese says to describe the power of the Dballs, but I've always been skeptical about this power of the creator thing for that exact reason. How can someone get immortality from a mortal person? Also, none of the Z people were ever smart enough to try to use the dragonballs to grant wishes that might prevent any one of the countless earth-devastating tragedies that occured during the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krademon Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 DBZ is quite a confusing show in some areas. Such as this or Trunks' affecting time. Or turtles fighting abbility and low power level. Or Bubbles.... Thats enough thinking for me today:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenkai Powa Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 According to the Viz translation of the manga, Oolong: "Say...[i]um[/i]...A wish like, 'beat up those saiyans and save the Earth'....probably wouldn't fly...Would it...?" Shenlong: "That is an impossible request. I was made by a god. I cannot grant a wish that surpasses the power of a god." I see this to mean that since Kami-Sama didn't have the necceasary physical abilities to defeat the Saiya-jin's, Shenlong couldn't. Yet his other wishes are equal to casting a magic spell. Bringing people back from the dead or granting immortality for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 Well obviously it worked, or Garlic Jr wouldn't still be alive.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiya-jinro Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 I think that even if the Earth's eternal dragon did have the power too kill Vegeta and Nappa, it wouldn't. Think about it, Kami was a god, and he created the Earth dragonballls. Would a god just kill somebody or something for not having done anything bad enough. Also, Nappa and Vegeta were forced too do what they did. Acctually, Vegeta just wanted too fight stronger opponents, but that besides the point. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Saiya-jinro [/i] [B]Would a god just kill somebody or something for not having done anything bad enough.[/b][/quote][color=indigo]Haven't you ever heard the phrase "wrath of god/the gods"?[/color][quote][b]Also, Nappa and Vegeta were forced too do what they did. Acctually, Vegeta just wanted too fight stronger opponents, but that besides the point. :cool:[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]And they [i]did[/i] have to fight the Z Senshi. They obviously wouldn't [i]give[/i] Nappa and Vegeta the DragonBalls, so they had to beat it out of them. Vegeta was the only one who wanted to fight a stronger opponent, and he got Kakarot. Nappa did all the other fighting..[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i] [B]Well obviously it worked, or Garlic Jr wouldn't still be alive.... [/B][/QUOTE] actually i thought he wasen't dead cuz he had immortality and he got sucked into a portal to another dimension or something i'm sorry but my mind is messy right now anyway back on topic i agree with Krademon DBZ is a confusing show so i can't really say what the answer is without a chance of being wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ~Gohans Gurl~ [/i] [B] actually i thought he wasen't dead cuz he had immortality and he got sucked into a portal to another dimension or something i'm sorry but my mind is messy right now anyway back on topic i agree with Krademon DBZ is a confusing show so i can't really say what the answer is without a chance of being wrong [/B][/QUOTE] Thats what I said... He wouldn't still be alive, meaning that he is stioll alive, and thus not dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutlawStar Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Zenkai Powa [/i] [B]According to the Viz translation of the manga, Oolong: "Say...[i]um[/i]...A wish like, 'beat up those saiyans and save the Earth'....probably wouldn't fly...Would it...?" Shenlong: "That is an impossible request. I was made by a god. I cannot grant a wish that surpasses the power of a god." I see this to mean that since Kami-Sama didn't have the necceasary physical abilities to defeat the Saiya-jin's, Shenlong couldn't. Yet his other wishes are equal to casting a magic spell. Bringing people back from the dead or granting immortality for example. [/B][/QUOTE] ok couldn't they just wish for Vegita and Nappa to be sent into, or really close to, a black hole or some place were they would have no chance of survival? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 [color=darkblue] Lol, that would work, but it would make what little plot there is in DBZ even worse. Plus, the Z-fighters are too stupid to do something like that. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juu Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 plus, the story would be so dull... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenkai Powa Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 I think the reason they didn't think of something like that is because they really believed Son Gokuu would be strong enough to beat them easily. And the fact that they didin't want Son Gokuu to stay dead for another year. But theoretically that could work since Purunga can send people from planet to planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiya-jinro Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 I didn't say Nappa wanted too fight stronger opponants. I just said Vegeta. I know that a God can have wrath on someone, but didn't Kami not give the ability too kill someone. Sure, he could have upgraded them, but I doubt he would add that . Besides, it would have been too late anyway. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 21, 2002 Share Posted July 21, 2002 [size=1][color=darkblue]When the dragon splits into 7 dragons in a movie(forgot which one) it can kill. It can do anything it seems, but there are certain lines it can't cross, like making someone love you or something, thus changing their free will. As for killing, I don't think it would kill, because it would be sorta like the love thing, but if it were attacked, that would be a different story. Anyways...my brain is boggled, lol. [/size][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta rocker Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 Those darn dragons huh? Well Aries has a major point, there are so many things (i wont even count) that the z fighters could do to stop half the chaos that happens to them. But would majorly kill storyline, example anyone with half a brain would destroy vegeta when he was down but goku didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkened Skye Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 I posted what follows in the other Immortality topic, but in differant words. 'Immortality' does not mean 'Impermiable' or 'Cannot feel pain' or 'all powerful', it just means 'not mortal', thus, cannot die. My example is from the book "Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn". Abdel, son of Bhaal, had just transformed into a killing machine, and he tore apart the vampire Bodhi, who, as an immortal, realised that even though she could not die, she would have to spend the rest of eternity in pain, dismembered. She begged Abdel to kill her, and he did with the wooden steak. The point is, even though Bodhi was immortal, she could still feel pain, and could still be dismembered. Wishing to be immortal is dangerous unless you know exactly what you're doing. The best bet is to be realy specific or wish to not be immortal [I]per se[/I], but rather with some kind of loophole. For example, in a digiparty I once played in (The Second Annual Meeting of the Board of Fanfic Digivillains), Cyborg Freiza got his hands on an artifact called the Shard, which could grant you any one wish. Realising the above problems, Freiza instead wished for something else - he wished that every single time he was defeated, he would come back stronger then before, and with a new form just for style. Well, his wish was granted - he ended up going back to his origonal form, but throughout the digiparty, we had to deal with Freiza forms I, II, III, IV, V (Cyborg), VI (Freiza IV with horns), VII (Freiza VI with horns and two extra hands with crablike pincers), VIII (Freiza VII with wings), and IX (Freiza VIII, black, with two more wings and severeal feet biger) before someone finaly used the Dragonballs to go back in time and prevent Freiza from making that wish by killing him beforehand (actualy, it was me who did that I saved the world!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Webb Posted July 31, 2002 Author Share Posted July 31, 2002 :laugh: I just saw an episode of season 2 DBZ on Cartoon Network and "Immortality Denied" was the title of one of the episodes. And here I thought my topic's title was original. I must have subconsiously remembered the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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