GhostofSalvtore Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Now I am not sayin I like Raiden but he was okay I mean I didn't really care if it was Snake or Raiden, but I know there is alot of people out there that feel strongly towards the hatred of this character. He had some flaws towards him but he was a complete opposite of Snake which allowed the gamer to see that. But I am sure that will be the last time people will see Raiden for a long time. Unless Konami decides to put him in, MGS3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 We've had this discussion in the past. Click [URL=http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?threadid=9026]HERE[/URL] to see my opinion, along with other members' opinions as well. The discussion is detailed, so you shouldn't be disappointed. Having said that, I shall keep this topic open for the time being. The other topic is quite old, and it'd be interesting to see what some of the newer members to the boards have to say. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 People hate Raiden simply because they wanted to be Solid Snake in the game, not Raiden, he was a pretty bad character anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sephiroth [/i] [B]People hate Raiden simply because they wanted to be Solid Snake in the game, not Raiden, he was a pretty bad character anyway.... [/B][/QUOTE] That, and the game basically shoved your face in his faults. So, of course people won't like him. But I have one good use fore him: comic relief. "Solidus: You're a GUY?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSalvtore Posted July 19, 2002 Author Share Posted July 19, 2002 Well I like the game either way basically everything about the game the story is the best I have seen a long while, but thats just me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroBlade Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 Why? Simple. He ain't Snake. :) I like using the sword though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSalvtore Posted July 19, 2002 Author Share Posted July 19, 2002 Yeah well ok still guess we will get to hopefully use Snake in the next MGS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoCactuar Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 Tsk tsk.... Raiden was a good character, but not only that... a great idea. Hideo Kijoma (Spll?) put you in control of raiden for the majority of the game becuase it gives you a chance to look at snake, it developes snakes character even more. The whole reason Raiden is there is to see snake from a second person perspective. When you play as Raiden you are like a complete n00b. But then you meet up with snake, and he is this highly trained killing machine. You get to see how awesome snake really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinzam v Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 The game would have been much better if it was ALL snake but thay only made you play as him for about 40 minutes and about raiden i hate him he's an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSalvtore Posted July 19, 2002 Author Share Posted July 19, 2002 Well he is only a character in a game and I would have to agree with Neo it makes you appreciate Snake a whole lot more. Konami was just testing the waters and now they know never to use a character like that again. But I want to know why people hate Raiden most people just say the game would have been better with just Snake, but why hate Raiden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 [b]I didn't like Raiden for the pure fact that it took out the mystery of Snakes character. Sure, his real name and so forth was revealed at the end of the last game, but it would have been even better to play through as Snake, suddenly "appearing from the dead". On another note, just to clear things up (unless this has been said) Hideo Kojima has confirmed that he is certainly [i]not[/i] going to make another Metal Gear Solid game. If another is produced, he will be leaving it in the hands of another director in Konami. :([/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 Ok, first off, the story of this Metal Gear was HORRIBLE. There was WAY WAY to much talking, and the ending sucked. The few things that kept me playing were: The Gameplay, that was one of the main reasons it was a pretty good game, that, and the graphics, and that it was a Metal Gear Game. Know, I don't hate Raiden, but he did get annoying, especially his stupid whiny voice. Now the MAIN reason why people hated Raiden (and i'm sure a many people have already stated this) was because they wanted to play as Snake. Another thing I found cool was when you were in Arsenal Gear and the Colonel kept calling and say all those messages like: I need scissors. 61!. Or the story where he said he saw Rosemary walking out of a hotel with another guy. Those things were pretty funny. And the whole thing that it was a simulation was just STUPID. And there's my blurb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 [color=royalblue]If the game was ALL Snake...we wouldn't be able to see Snake from someone else's perspective. I felt that Raiden needed a bit of his [i]own[/i] character development. I mean, he was there as a way of showing us Snake from another view...so really, the game was still all about Snake. Having said that, I'd have liked to see more of Raiden...I mean, learn more about his history and his personality. And end that stupid love story that was going on in the background...ugh...that kind of ruined some of the story, I think. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSalvtore Posted July 20, 2002 Author Share Posted July 20, 2002 No they are supposed to have a new MGS everyyear I have heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 [color=royalblue]GhostofSalvatore, who are you responding to? Anyway, the next MGS will be Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance. And it will allow players to control Snake throughout the [i]entire[/i] game. It'll also add a few new modes and some significant changes/improvements to the main game. It should be the game that MGS2 detractors will actually like...[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 There isn't going to be a new MGS every year. That would be impossible. Even Substance, which is basically an add-on is taking them a year to complete... and most of the game was already done because of MGS2. Kojima was gonna stop after MGS2, but the popularity of it apparently got MGS2:Substance going. I wonder how long he will stick with it, I hear he wants to leave it to another game designer (like Miyamoto has done with his games). Personally, I can't stand MGS2... but Raiden made it even worse. This option would have been better in MGS, because I would have loved to play as Ninja with his own side-story. It sure seemed like he had been through a lot as it was, so there was probably plenty to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSalvtore Posted July 20, 2002 Author Share Posted July 20, 2002 Well when you hear bout the next one then you will see, I am just reporting info that I have heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fly-T Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SuperSayian [/i] [B] That, and the game basically shoved your face in his faults. So, of course people won't like him. But I have one good use fore him: comic relief. "Solidus: You're a GUY?!" [/B][/QUOTE] I thought the Prez said that Presz: I'm ready to face the conseguences You're a Guy?? If you ever went into a stall and used first person view to look at the toilet and squat, call the Colonel Colonel: What are you doing?? Rose: Jack give it a rest I cant bear watching you do that Raiden: Colonel: Get back to work I think putting you in charge was not such a good idea. adn call snake when your in the girls restroom. Hideo should direct MGS3 if they do a 3. He has gave perfection to all his MGS work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei-San Posted July 21, 2002 Share Posted July 21, 2002 In a sense, Raiden helped us see Snake for who he really is, and what he's really like. In the begining of MGS2, Raiden states that he is a newbie to the battle field, which gives us the first impression that he is no good. Now when Snake enters, the immediate impression that one would get is that Snake is experienced in war, hence his older looks, the beard, the messy hair, his voice, it alllows Snake fans to take advantage over Raiden, proving that Snake is far more superior. Other than that, Raiden talks like a girl, as compared to Snakes way of saying "Freeze", and holds his weapon like a wussy. GhostofSalvatore: I hope you do realise that it took 3 years to make MGS2, and for Konami to produce something to the standards of MGS2 every year would be virtually impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSalvtore Posted July 22, 2002 Author Share Posted July 22, 2002 Hey I am just repeating what I heard in a magazine I think it was I don't remember but I didn't beLIEve it myself but thats what is said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 [color=royalblue]In the end, it's all subjective. Who says that we always [i]need[/i] to play as the "cooler" battle-hardened Snake? I like the fact that new characters can be introduced to push the story further along. In the end, you're playing as a polygon model with a skin...and in the end, the physical differences of playing as either Snake or Raiden are very marginal. So this is really all about story and character development. I personally feel that Snake is the better character, only because he is more interesting (though perhaps also more cliche and predictable). But I also believe that it is refreshing to see a new face with a different viewpoint on the game's proceedings.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSalvtore Posted July 22, 2002 Author Share Posted July 22, 2002 Yes I agree totally with James. The story is what it's all about. And MGS2 has enough of that for 10 games. Thats why I say the game is like a movie just string all the cutscenes and have the comp. play or something like that then you got yourself a grammy nominee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 [color=royalblue]The only thing I disliked about MGS2 is that it was sometimes [i]too[/i] much like a movie and not enough like a game. At the start, I was being contacted on the codec every five seconds. And I literally turned the game off in frustration...I was just so frustrated by the constant interruption that I actually had to turn the machine off because I didn't have any fun at all. lol But after a while, it improved... Still, it's a worrying thing. I think MGS should focus on less frequent, more important codec discussions...rather than having constant chatter all the time.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSalvtore Posted July 22, 2002 Author Share Posted July 22, 2002 Yeah that was also another thing that happened way too much and it did get annoying but I guess I like games that are kinda movie-like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei-San Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 It has been considered that Raiden is despised due to the lack of "gameplay". Raiden's story didn't appeal to me at all, his past story wasn't as much as depressing as Snake's was, which is almost like Kojima [i]copying[/i] an exact duplicate of Snake, in terms of their past life. It is also true that Raiden's mission in the Plant was not as exciting as the whole Tanker ordeal. There are many weapons in which Raiden can obtain, wich can be good, but in my sense, I didn't like it, that made the game to easy, it holds the same status on the European Extreme mode aswell. Raiden's Plant mission has a tendancy to die down at certain parts, especially after defeating Fatman. There is no action or stealth involved onwards, just a bunch of cinematic sequences which seem pretty repettitive. Now take a look at Snake's adventure, on the Tanker, it is full of action, stealth, and has the right amount of codec calls, not too long, not too short. Also, the fact that Snake can access very few weapons in his adventure makes it very challenging for the player. This obviously gathers enough points to sink Raiden in the MGS series, and to put Snake right back on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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