The Harlequin Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]As a little survey thing, to answer a question put to me a while back, how many people here actually listen to and like gothic style music? That includes genres such as darkwave and shoegazer as well. If you really hate it, or have never heard of it, please do me a favour and don't tell me about it.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 Hmm, I'm not exactly sure on what makes separates the genre of "goth" into its sub-genres... or what really defines it in the first place, but yeah, I do enjoy listening to some music I have that I would consider gothic. It's really different, I have to be in the right mood to listen to it I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted July 20, 2002 Author Share Posted July 20, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]I doubt anybody will have heard of these, but still. Shoegazer tends more towards softer, melancholy music. Fallen Tears, some of the Gossamer songs etc. Darkwave however can be things such as Rob Zombie or Ozzy Osbourne. The line there between darkwave and other genres is pretty shaky.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 I'm always confused about goth. Some people tell me that The Cure and Cake are "gothic." Some people seem to think Marilyn Manson is too. I listen to all of these, and I never thought of them as gothic. When I think of gothic, I think of Fields of the Nephilim, Bauhaus, Black Tape for a Blue Girl, godhead (to an extent) and Christian Death... And even a lot of that can be divided up into even more sub-genres. Like godhead... they are conisdered Gothic Industrial if you want to get technical. Maybe you can list some of these bands you are mainly referring to? That would help me out a lot anyway. I still think Rob Zombie is quite a ripoff of KMFDM. Other than the whole carnival gimick... but that's me :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted July 20, 2002 Author Share Posted July 20, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimosn]Marliyn Manson kind of fits under the darkwave genre, but that's a matter of opinion. Personally, I wouldn't praise him by calling him goth... The Cure have one or two songs that fit under one of the gothic subgenres, but barely. Cake, well, not a chance. All those other bands you mentioned are either goth Industrial, Metal or Rock. I'm talking about things like Fallen Tears, Gossamer, The Scarlet Fix etc. Darkwave is really an open area. Anything a little "dark" tends to be shoved in there.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted July 20, 2002 Share Posted July 20, 2002 I know a lot of people who love goth that list Cure as a gothic band. It depends on what you know. Bloodflowers is worth checking out by them, as is Pornography. The Cure is one of the bands that created the framework for goth music, and I'd say most people that listen to goth would agree. It's hard to say if you know nothing but the singles or a few of their popular songs. You have to hear the entire LP. Marilyn Manson will always be hard rock to me, but it is my favorite band :P. Fields of the Nephilim have been around forever, and a lot of people seem to think it's a band you should know if you are into goth. Seems like no one seems to know who they are anyway lol. Black Tape for a Blue Girl seems to be the type of band you are talking about. I'll have to check those ones you mentioned to makre sure though. Perhaps groups like This Mortal Coil, Lost Atlantis, The Shroud, Folseid (I forget the spelling of that one), etc would be too. I'll work on downloading some of yours. But you seem to be thinking of a certain genre of goth (or at least have a different opinion of what [i]true[/i] goth should be lol. I am not worthy to decide what it [i]should[/i] sound like personally f :)), when there are like at least 15 different kinds. I don't put them all in little groups, goth is goth... if you can figure out what fits in it. It can be a fine line at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted July 20, 2002 Author Share Posted July 20, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]The Cure did a bit, but the main pioneers of gothic music was Siouxie and The Banshees. Not that you'll find many modern day goths that will admit it...[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta rocker Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 i am a big fan of goth and hate manson, personally his songs sound the same to me. Im more into cradle of filth, the union underground and this may sound weird but i dig classical the dark heavy kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted July 22, 2002 Author Share Posted July 22, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]There's nothing wrong with classical. When you say darker, heavier, I assume you're refering to the typically German style of classical?[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 If you are into that style... I'd recommend Rasputina. I don't know anyone who knows who they are, but I love them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xekor Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 I also am confused as to how you define "goth" music. A lot of the visual kei artists I listen to perform music with a goth [i]flavor[/i] (if you will). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Xekor [/i] [B]I also am confused as to how you define "goth" music. A lot of the visual kei artists I listen to perform music with a goth [i]flavor[/i] (if you will). [/B][/QUOTE] Hmmm, would I know you from somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted July 22, 2002 Author Share Posted July 22, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]The best way I can define it is to recommend some of the bands. Siouxie and The Banshees, the original, or my favourites, Fallen Tears and Gossamer, would all be prime examples of goth music.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstorture Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 [color=darkgreen][font=gothic]Hmmmm.... one of the concepts of gothic the subculture prides itself on is being very open and accepting nearly everything. Basically as it is a mindset and a way of life, many genres of music can fit. Although "depressing" does some it up rather well. Actually, I should rather say "melancholy" as depression should not be linked with gothicdom too strongly. You have to admit however, people who dress in black do tend to like the same kind of stuff. I personally like fear factory, deftones, the tea party, fallen tears, a perfect circle and sunk loto, but I also happen to enjoy lots of house music, filter, grinspoon, chemical brothers, Rachmaninoff, and (blushes a deep crimson colour) a bit of Kylie Minouge. Only some of her very recent stuff, I swear!!! (please don't kill me...) Still, I cnsider myself gothic, and I wear my black with pride. Victorian and romantic eras are out of fashion now, and these days a modern goth wouldn't be seen dead in a cloak, but I am one of a dying breed. [/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemolth Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ravenstorture [/i] [B][color=darkgreen][font=gothic]Hmmmm.... one of the concepts of gothic the subculture prides itself on is being very open and accepting nearly everything. Basically as it is a mindset and a way of life, many genres of music can fit. Although "depressing" does some it up rather well. Actually, I should rather say "melancholy" as depression should not be linked with gothicdom too strongly. You have to admit however, people who dress in black do tend to like the same kind of stuff. I personally like fear factory, deftones, the tea party, fallen tears, a perfect circle and sunk loto, but I also happen to enjoy lots of house music, filter, grinspoon, chemical brothers, Rachmaninoff, and (blushes a deep crimson colour) a bit of Kylie Minouge. Only some of her very recent stuff, I swear!!! (please don't kill me...) Still, I cnsider myself gothic, and I wear my black with pride. Victorian and romantic eras are out of fashion now, and these days a modern goth wouldn't be seen dead in a cloak, but I am one of a dying breed. [/font][/color] [/B][/QUOTE] Cloaks, like black, are never out-dated. People, on the other hand.... And I agree with melancholy. There is a sweetness to it that can be profoundly addictive. Depression on the other hand is all pain...;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted July 22, 2002 Author Share Posted July 22, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]Depression, like melancholy, can be a sweet sadness, and a wellspring to fuel the heart and soul. Cloaks have got to be the greatest garment ever made. Fear Factory and Perfect Circle aren't really gothic, neither are the Tea Party(with a few small exceptions).[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Asphyxia Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 I don't know how to do quotes, but I'm talking to Semjaza Azazel, who said: If you are into that style... I'd recommend Rasputina. I don't know anyone who knows who they are, but I love them. They did Transylvanian Concubine, right? I love them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted July 22, 2002 Author Share Posted July 22, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]If you really want to get into that, try Bach. Personally, I prefer Pachelbel though.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Asphyxia Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Oh, wow, someone's talking to me. (We are talking to me, right?) Okay, anyway, thank you for the tip. Bach was the one born in Germany...renaissance time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted July 23, 2002 Author Share Posted July 23, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]One of them. There were quite a few. Many of Bach's compositions included heavy vocals, rather choral things, with heavy music.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Asphyxia Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 And he's often done on the piano, too right? I know who he is now. I probably seem daft. Sorry. I just think in simple concepts...and now I feel really foolish, because I just realised that I have a C.D. with Bach on it. Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted July 23, 2002 Author Share Posted July 23, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]Define daft. If you're going along the lines of stupid, well... let us just say that daft people rarely listen to classical music. If you're going along the lines of insane, then don't worry about it. I was insane for a year and a half, and it doesn't bother me. Bach's pieces can be played solo on the piano. Most of his compositions are for a full orchestra though. Most instruments just don't have enough of a piece for a solo rendition though.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Asphyxia Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 erm...I define daft as a mixture of ignorance, apathy, and insanity, which is basically me. It doesn't bother me, really. I just like the word daft. Much like I like the word defenestration. Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted July 23, 2002 Author Share Posted July 23, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]Defenstration is always good. Anyway, as I said, I prefer Pachelbel. His Canon In D has to be the greatest piece of music ever written.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Asphyxia Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 I haven't heard him, I'm afraid. Actually, I probably have, but I don't know it. I just listen to music, I don't bother finding out who it's by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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