Sara Posted July 26, 2002 Share Posted July 26, 2002 ::laughs:: See, not every religious discussion turns into a flame-fest.... Yes, Gin, really. I was planning to talk to you about it in my next letter [will send it soon, promise.] Maybe I still will... I dunno. I feel sort of lost about it. I guess I'd normally talk with Shayne about it, but he's out of the country, and.... ::sigh:: We only just started talking a lot again, Gin. ^^ Give it time, eh? I'll rant for you, soon. And of course, I'm not going to be seeing Robb as much anymore... ::sighs:: There goes that source of information/discussion/whatever. Anyway, I'm praying for you, Panny. Hope you find something that will help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SunRiZe Posted July 26, 2002 Share Posted July 26, 2002 I'm a Christian, and I have been through a similar process as you, I was baptized a Roman Catholic, but sometime 1n 1998 I too, questioned the organized religion, and thats why I became a baptist Christian in 2001, you see, before I went and changed my denomination, I thought very hard about whats offering what. I echo Ginnylin's thought. Because there are many sects of Christianity out there. I fell so much more spiritually close to God, and Jesus has helped me through some tough times. It al comes down to what YOU are comfortable with, and if your mom is a "good" christian, she'll respect you for what you did. Times were hard at my house with Dad for a while, but parents will always love you unconditionally, so if you do decide to convert to Wicca, there will be tough times ahead, but your mom will soon come around, and accept you for who you choose to be. My final advice Pannychan is, think carefully about what each religion is offering, and choose the one thats closest to your heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subversive Posted July 26, 2002 Share Posted July 26, 2002 we all have good thoughts, I hope she considers them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalon Posted July 26, 2002 Author Share Posted July 26, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SpyderDragon [/i] [B]we all have good thoughts, I hope she considers them all [/B][/QUOTE] And I have...and I decided to talk to my mother soon about this...and also to explore other religions. I've also decided to not pick a religion until I'm 18...so now, I'm Athesist...I guess...Ii'm still confused about this but you all have made me feel better. Thanks for the advice...if you still want to post advice, you can do that too...because I still need it...;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mist Posted July 26, 2002 Share Posted July 26, 2002 [color=red][size=1] Isn't Atheist a disbelief in God and the Christian religion? I don't know... Anyway, I think that hinting at it will be fine, and let the thoughts enter her head about it. If she gets hints, she won't be as shocked when she finds out. My parents never really pushed me towards any religion, because 1) They wanted me to decide what my religion was at any given time and 2) We were too lazy to get up early in the morning in Sundays for church. But as for going wiccan, well, just pm me, okay?[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted July 26, 2002 Share Posted July 26, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mist [/i] [B][color=red][size=1] Isn't Atheist a disbelief in God and the Christian religion? I don't know...[/color][/size][/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]Atheism is a belief that there is no god. Period. Of any religion. Agnostic is belief that a god exists, but not neccesarily the Catholic god or whatnot.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mist Posted July 26, 2002 Share Posted July 26, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i] [B][color=indigo]Atheism is a belief that there is no god. Period. Of any religion. Agnostic is belief that a god exists, but not neccesarily the Catholic god or whatnot.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] Thanks. At least I'll know them from now on. Man, I feel ignorant...but maybe that's because I am...:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subversive Posted July 26, 2002 Share Posted July 26, 2002 well atleast your honest and didn't say, no thats what I meant, gotya, hehe, awwwww, noone likes me *walks off* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxie Faye Posted July 29, 2002 Share Posted July 29, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Panny Chan ;)[/i][b] And I have...and I decided to talk to my mother soon about this...and also to explore other religions. I've also decided to not pick a religion until I'm 18...so now, I'm Athesist...I guess...Ii'm still confused about this but you all have made me feel better. Thanks for the advice...if you still want to post advice, you can do that too...because I still need it... ;)[/b][/QUOTE] [color=indigo]What sort of advice do you need? Just general advice on what to do? Advice/information on certain religions? What?[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCBaggee Posted July 29, 2002 Share Posted July 29, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by zidane11 [/i] [B]Just wait until you turn 18 or move out of the house. Simple as that. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=red]How in God's name can you honestly say Easy as that"?! This is her beliefs. What she feels, stands for, and cares about. This will be one of many ordeals that shapes who she is in the future! I've been there before..."Easy as that" is a crock of horse...well, you get the picture... --JC[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SunRiZe Posted July 29, 2002 Share Posted July 29, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JCBaggee [/i] [B] [color=red]How in God's name can you honestly say Easy as that"?! This is her beliefs. What she feels, stands for, and cares about. This will be one of many ordeals that shapes who she is in the future! I've been there before..."Easy as that" is a crock of horse...well, you get the picture... --JC[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] exactly JC, changing religions in the shadow of your parents, it isn't that easy at all. :nervous: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 i think before you change your religion you should explore inside your religion in the hope of finding something that you belive in but don't search because your bored but do it because you want to so it feels like it means something. then take a look at how much the god or idol or whatever it may be that you workshipp in your current religion was if you truly don't find something there then take a look at another religion so basically what i am saying is explore different religions starting with your previous one but explore then to thier roots so you find the true meaning of the religion then pick the one you feel makes you feel good about yourself or if you feel the choices are all against your beliefs then stay as an Athesist. a little while back i was doubting my religion to and my mom sent me to bible camp tosee if she couldn't get me to change my mind as i was thinking of becoming a wicca to. at bible camp we studied my god in a way that gave me a new image and made me think i actually do love this god so thats how i found my beliefs by looking at my religion through a new perspective ~GG~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genkai Posted July 31, 2002 Share Posted July 31, 2002 to learn more about atheism in an enjoyable way, and to give yourself a new perspective on the "Authority", read the "His Dark Materials" series, by phillup pullman...it's really the amber spyglass that does it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiroMunkie Posted July 31, 2002 Share Posted July 31, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Nuchlear [/i] [B]exactly JC, changing religions in the shadow of your parents, it isn't that easy at all. :nervous:[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]Really? Cause it was incredibly easy for me. I just told my mom (my dad didn't care at all) and she didn't have too much to say about it. I still get dragged to church whenever we go (once or twice a month), it's tolerable I suppose. The main reason I still have to go is because my little sister will think that since I don't go, she shouldn't have to. I still don't know why she couldn't just make my sister go and leave me in peace, but oh well. Different stroke for different folks.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deedlit Posted July 31, 2002 Share Posted July 31, 2002 [color=green]Wait until you're 18, then if you really want to, go ahead and become a wicca. I doubt that she will disown you just because you change your religion though. I have a friend who became a Wicca for a few years, and her parents loved her just the same. But yeah, just humor her for one more year.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlgaTheDwarf Posted July 31, 2002 Share Posted July 31, 2002 I am not in to religion, but I do have a belief. I am not an atheist, so I believe that their is a God. And I am not going to say that all religion/belliefs are right, because I do not bellieve that. If I did bellieve that than I would be a hypocrite and if my belliefs make me a hypocrite than I must be wrong. It is because I do not bellieve that all relligion/belliefs are right that I am not going to state my bellief (so to abide by OB's rules). But I will offer my advice. My advice to you Panny Chan, is not to find a religion/belliefs that will suit your needs, because their are alot out their and most (if not all) teach that their is a heaven and a hell. So choosing a religion/belliefs could mean choosing where you are going to the afterlife. Be sure to look into every detail of every religion/belliefs, so you are sure that YOU MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devidramon Posted July 31, 2002 Share Posted July 31, 2002 And don't judge a religion by the people that practice it. The Bible tells us to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." It's said so much that it sounds like a stale platitude, but it is in the Bible, and as such, if a Christian isn't doing that, he/she's out of line. Beating people down like I see some Christians doing is *not* what Christianity is all about, and is *not* proper according to the Bible. I know a lot of people who hate Christians and the idea of Christianity itself because someone tried to beat them down with it, force it on them, or use it as an excuse to feel superior, but to misuse it in such a way is wrong, according to the rules of Christianity itself. Don't judge Christianity, all Christians, or God by those people any more than you'd judge the whole sport of basketball by Allen Iverson. We are supposed to be patient, kind, and generous. We're supposed to be the good guys. And most of the people at my church are wonderful people who will go out of their way for you, and are generally great people to be around. But occasionally, you run into people who don't quite have it down. And their mistreatment sticks in your mind more than the nice ones for some reason. That even happens to me. I used to go to a Catholic school. Almost everyone was wonderful, but I can remember the comments made by the *two* that seemed to think that being Catholic was what set them above the rest of humanity to the letter, and it was years ago. And when I think "Catholic," the hundreds of nice ones don't come to mind, no, it's those two. But, they're the exception, not the rule. So it is with all Christians. Though the bad eggs are more vocal and stick in your mind, you meet the good ones every day and don't even know it. You don't know who you may have pissed off long ago that had the opportunity to return the favor, but didn't. Or the person that *could have* jumped into the lane in front of you, but decided to wait. Or the people that did little favors for you over the years. Some did it because they knew and/or loved you, and some because they were just that nice, but some because it was the Christian thing to do. Or the many Christians on this board right now that know of your conflict and [i]aren't[/i] beating you down about it. [i]That[/i] is most Christians, and it's not always as in-your-face as the people condemning you to hell because you're not of their particular denomination or sometimes work on Sundays, etc so it doesn't stick in your mind as well. But we do try to be the good guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genkai Posted July 31, 2002 Share Posted July 31, 2002 mm.....if you're going to be an atheist, try reading philip pullman's "his dark materials" series... the last book really gives you a new perspective on god and organized religion..pullman's an atheist, so we can trust him to slip this in his writing! lol!:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desbreko Posted July 31, 2002 Share Posted July 31, 2002 [color=indigo]Well, I'm also a Christian, and I agree with Devidramon. Someone that claims to be a Christian and then tries to force Christianity on you is either in the wrong or is not actually a Christian. So if you only dislike Christianity just because your mom has pushed it on you, I'd suggest actually taking a look at it and seeing if you truly don't believe it. If you do decide to change your religion, well, no one can stop you, and if your mom really is a Christian she's not going to disown you or anything. Yes, she may get mad at first, but she will still love you. My advice is to really look into both Christianity and other religions before deciding on a religion. And I really do hope that you're not just wanting to change your religion to rebel against your mom. No offense, but that is really not a smart thing to do. You are, afterall, talking about changing your whole life.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCBaggee Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i] [B][color=indigo]Really? Cause it was incredibly easy for me. I just told my mom (my dad didn't care at all) and she didn't have too much to say about it. I still get dragged to church whenever we go (once or twice a month), it's tolerable I suppose. The main reason I still have to go is because my little sister will think that since I don't go, she shouldn't have to. I still don't know why she couldn't just make my sister go and leave me in peace, but oh well. Different stroke for different folks.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=red]Yes, but your parents were obviously very leniant and supportful of your choice, believing you were responsible enough to make your own decision. But, when your parents are against it, it becomes a whole different story. Not all of us are in a situation where we can rely entirely on ourselves. I'm 17, live in the middle of nowhere, am unemployed, and can't drive until my parents put me on the insurance. I'm pretty much stranded. Panny's problem appears to be that if she does go through with this, her mother will spend the rest of the time trying to push her back, probably due to that religions beliefs...the Christian belief of "Bring others to God" is, for some reason, usually pushed to the extreme, though I've yet to figure out why, when it says to spread peace and harmony, not bug the crap out of everyone until they cave in and spend the entire sermon angry and don't hear a word.. --JC[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 hey hey hey... slow it down... i know choosing a religion is your choice, i don't blame your wanting to switch because of your mom's force... but im sure she thinks it's better for you, she has experience... I myself, have seen God's great works... Its your choice to find your path.. But i greatly encourage you to think again... You are young, so am I but it doesn't hold me back... :D i sound like a buddhist monk :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalon Posted August 2, 2002 Author Share Posted August 2, 2002 Well here's an update...I've talked to my mother...actually, more like I talked to her and she didn't want to here it. Funny thing, she guessed the religion I wanted to change to...and she had this to say... "You're going to be around here putting the 'root' on somebody...and burning chicken bones..." Hearing her say these things have changed my whole perspective on my mother...now, I think she's very ignorant... See, my mom is a Southern Christian. The only thing she knows about Wicca is what she saw on "The Craft" and she thinks it's Voodoo... My mom made me tell my stepdad about this...he, in my eyes now, is about as ignorant as she is...He told me that he would not allow any of this to go on in their house...he also thinks that the reason why I'm doing this is because I've been tricked by the way of the world to think that Wicca isn't evil...he thinks that everyone has poisoned me into thinking that it isn't about the "Devil". Also, starting right now, I am banned from joining any message boards because of this, banned from using the Internet unless it's for homework or applying to colleges, and banned from watching Charmed, Witchblade, or anything that is scary or have to do with the 'paranormal' as my stepdad said... Now, after all this, they still told me to never talk to them about it...again... I'm going to do it anyway...I have the support from my cousins, not the rest of my family however... So, right now, I don't know what to do... I never thought that they would take it to the extreme like this... I am on permenent lock-down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 I personally hate Wiccans no matter who they are, it is the one religion that I will not accept. But since allot of my friends are Wicca?s I have to live with it... Wicca is not an evil religion that is a misconception by most. Just believe what ever you want and when you leave home or what ever believe it openly, and don't worry about hell, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 [color=royalblue]Why do you hate Wiccans and not those of other faiths?[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genkai Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i] [B]I personally hate Wiccans no matter who they are, it is the one religion that I will not accept. . [/B][/QUOTE] i was so proud of this thread until this.....sigh.... anyway, im SOOOOOO SORRY PANNYCHAN! but didn't you tell them that you were actually going to be an ATHEIST? that's what you said before! anyway, im so sorry......... your parents are ignorant..... you should maybe try talking to someone else who has a large part in your life....... of course, you can't read this, but if anyone is in touch w/ her... i can't believe that a christian person would do that.....they should respect all religions, they're taught to. i dunno where pannychan's parents came up with the idea that all religions but theirs are bad, unless they're a southern klansman or something...... im a christian/buddhist, and i accept everyone...and im only twelve... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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