Anime the Icejin

[Darkened Skye]

I'm just wondering what we know about Freiza's race, the Icejin. Any information on them would be nice, but try to concentrait on these points:

-Shapeshifting: Can they all do it? Freiza can, and I think Coola did, but is it just those two or can they all do it? [By shapeshifting, I meen cyclicng through the four forms]

-Power 1: In order for Goku to beat Freiza, he had to become more powerful then him, and even then he almost lost. Does this mean that the Icejin have a natural power that's set aside from their actual power level, thus making their power higher then it realy is, or does it mean that Icejin are jut better then Saiyins?

-Power 2: How the heck did they get to be so powerful with creatures like Cell, Majin Buu, Saiyins, and the like floating around?

-Control: Freiza is feared throughout the universe, right? Wow. That's pretty big, especialy when you take into account that the space between one galaxy and the next is big enough to fit hundreds of additional galaxies. Just how big a scale are we talking about?

Yeah, PiroMunkie will probably say this has been posted already somewhere and close it, but that's okay.

[SSJ Pud]

Icejin? i never heard of them being reffered to that b4. I always heard they were called changlings, because of there albility to transform, which they all share.
When Goku was in SSJ he was not much more powerful then 100% Freeza, and he had already been beaten up before he transformed, thats why he had trouble with him at certian points.
As for ur third question i have no idea. Universe seems like a grandiose term, but remember they can travel in space at an extremely high speed, so i think it would be possibl to go from galaxy to galaxy.

[Darkened Skye]

Extremely high speed? You don't seem to get it.

The Milky Way galaxy is twenty thousand light-years accross. This means that, even traveling at light speed, it would take twenty thousand years to cross it. Not to mention the fact that light-speed is impossible in real space due to the fact that there are things all around us, photon rays and micrometeorites and the like, that are goign that fast. So, anyone going that fast would have to cope with the fact that they are getting constantly bombarded by trillions of tiny things. They may seem small, but remember this - one bee won't kill most people. An entire hive will. With these, we're talking HUNDREDS of hives.

Let's get a few points about the universe down, courtasy of the Ultimate HitchHiker's Guide:

AREA: Infinite
[The HitchHiker's Guide has this to say about the term Infinite]

Infinite: Bigger then the biggest thing ever and then some. Much bigger then that, in fact, it's really amazingly immense, a toataly stunning size, real 'wow, that's big' time. Infinity is just so big that, by comparison, the term bigness is a bit titchy. Gigantic multiplied by colossol multiplied by staggeringly huge is the point we're trying to get across here.

IMPORTS: None
It is impossible to import things from an infinite area, there being no outside to import things from.

EXPORTS: None
See imports

POPULATION: None
It is known that there are an infinite ammount of worlds, simply because there is an infinite ammount of space for them to take up. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as to make no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the universe can be said to be zero. From this follows that the population of the whole universe is also zero, and that any people you might meet from time to time are merelpy products of a derranged imagination.

MONOTARY UNITS: None
In fact there are three freely convertible currencies in the Galaxy, but none of them count. The Altairian doller has recently collapsed, the Flainian Pobble Bead is only exchangeble for other Flainian Pobble Beads, and the Trigantic Pu has it's own problems. It's exchange rate of eight Ningis for one Pu is simple enough, but since a Ningis is a triangular rubber coin six hundred eight thousand miles along each side, no one has ever collected enough to own one Pu. Ningis are not negotiable currency, since the Galactibanks refuse to deal in fiddling small change. From this simple premise it is simple to conclude that the Galctibanks are also a product of a deranged imagination.

ART: None
The whole purpose of art is to hold a mirror up to nature - and there simply isn't a mirror big enough. See point one.

SEX: None
There is quite a lot of this actualy, largely due to the toatal lack of money, trade, banks, art, or anything else that might keep the nonexistant people of the Universe occupide.
However, it is not worth embarking on a long discussion on it now because it realy is terribly complicated. For further information see Guide chapters seven, nine, ten, eleven, fourteen, sixteen, seventeen, nineteen, twenty-one to twenty-four inclusive, and in fact most of the rest of the guide.

[PiroMunkie]

[color=indigo]Let's cycle through your questions...

'Shapeshifting': If Furiza and Coola could do it, we can only guess the rest of the race can. The purpose of them transforming is to get to their higher power. Their final form being their true form. The scale themselves down the way they do to conserve energy. It's stated even in the show. I believe when Vegeta, Krillen, and Gohan first face off against Furiza. So it's more like the rest of the race [i]can[/i] do it, but they might not need to. If the don't want to conserve energy, they will just stay in their true form.

Power 1: My guess would be that that Furiza's race is just naturally stronger than the Saiya-jins. I mean, Furiza ruled over Planet Vegeta before Kakarot was even born. Even then, the Saiya-jin were obviously no match. It took many years until Kakarot finally got strong enough to even prove a challenge for Furiza. Even then, Kakarot was beat, until he transformed into a Super Saiya-jin. The one thing Furiza was afraid of.

Power 2: Cell, and Majin Buu were ressurected after Furiza had been defeated. Thus they weren't around to compete with Furiza for power. Although, Cell had some of Furiza's cells in him. They Saiya-jins were destroyed by Furiza with the only exceptions being Kakarot, Vegeta, Raditz, Nappa, and Turles. Kakarot was sent off to Earth before Furiza blew up the planet. Vegeta, Raditz, and Nappa were forced to work for Furiza. And we really don't know Turles' background.

Control: I see your point, but sometimes, when it comes to anime, it's better just not to question things. Sometimes they don't like to adhere to reality. I mean, DragonBall isn't the only anime series in which people travel through space. You just have to laern not to look to much into it. :whoops:[/color]

[SSJ Pud]

No kidding. If we took time to delve into all the illogical things in DBZ we would be pickign apart almost every aspect of it. To watch the show u need a certian amount of imagination. The show is not exactly what u would call realistic. There are lots of qeustions should as this that even Toryami could not explain.

[Darkened Skye]

Let's cycle through your questions...
-Lets.

'Shapeshifting': If Furiza and Coola could do it, we can only guess the rest of the race can. The purpose of them transforming is to get to their higher power. Their final form being their true form. The scale themselves down the way they do to conserve energy. It's stated even in the show. I believe when Vegeta, Krillen, and Gohan first face off against Furiza. So it's more like the rest of the race can do it, but they might not need to. If the don't want to conserve energy, they will just stay in their true form.
-Ah...

Power 1: My guess would be that that Furiza's race is just naturally stronger than the Saiya-jins. I mean, Furiza ruled over Planet Vegeta before Kakarot was even born. Even then, the Saiya-jin were obviously no match. It took many years until Kakarot finally got strong enough to even prove a challenge for Furiza. Even then, Kakarot was beat, until he transformed into a Super Saiya-jin. The one thing Furiza was afraid of.
-Yeah, but Goku was still hard-pressed to beat him.

Power 2: Cell, and Majin Buu were ressurected after Furiza had been defeated. Thus they weren't around to compete with Furiza for power. Although, Cell had some of Furiza's cells in him. They Saiya-jins were destroyed by Furiza with the only exceptions being Kakarot, Vegeta, Raditz, Nappa, and Turles. Kakarot was sent off to Earth before Furiza blew up the planet. Vegeta, Raditz, and Nappa were forced to work for Furiza. And we really don't know Turles' background.
-Turles? Hang on...one...two...three...four...five? I need to watch more DBZ. I could have sworn they said only four Saiyins survive Planet Vegeta's destruction.

-Anyway, what I meant was, even though Freiza was powerful, there is ALWAYS a bigger fish. I was using Cell and Buu as examples of power level. Someone with that much power must have been floating around somewhere in the Universe, actualy alive and active at that time.

Control: I see your point, but sometimes, when it comes to anime, it's better just not to question things. Sometimes they don't like to adhere to reality. I mean, DragonBall isn't the only anime series in which people travel through space. You just have to laern not to look to much into it.
-Are you kidding? Anime should make little sense to reality - but I just think at least a small ammount of reality should filter through, and this should be one of them.

No kidding. If we took time to delve into all the illogical things in DBZ we would be pickign apart almost every aspect of it. To watch the show u need a certian amount of imagination. The show is not exactly what u would call realistic. There are lots of qeustions should as this that even Toryami could not explain.
-Imagination is my specialy. It wasn't easy comming up with Neatherspace, you know. Or the whole story I have behind Neo Destined, or my Dragonball Ancinet Destiny RPG which I later scrapped. Anyway, Toriyama could explain them, but I bet he doesn't want to. Like I said, anime shouldn't obey all of realities laws, but at least a few should shine through.

[SSJ Pud]

If u wanna quote someomne jus hit the qoute button and it will copy it automaticlly into a nice little box so its easier to tell its a quote.

There were actually 7 Sayains who survived, Goku, Vegete, Nappa, Radditz, Turles, Brolli, and Paragus.

Turles is in movie three the tree of might, and it does not say how he survived it. He is killed be Goku.

Brolli is the legendary super-sayian and Paragus is his father. When Vegeta blew up Brolli used his immense power to protect himself and his father. He latar came after Goku, because he was driven mad as a child be Goku's crying. I think Brolli is killed by a combo kamehameha (not sure from who) the first time and by trunks, goten and krillen when he is bio brolli.

[Darkened Skye]

If u wanna quote someomne jus hit the qoute button and it will copy it automaticlly into a nice little box so its easier to tell its a quote.
-Too much work. Spell check. I don't have the best spelling either, but at least I (most of the time) don't have to look at my spelling twice to get what I meant.

There were actually 7 Sayains who survived, Goku, Vegete, Nappa, Radditz, Turles, Brolli, and Paragus.
-Vegeta, Raditz. English dub spells Vageta with an A at the end, and Raditz has one D.

Turles is in movie three the tree of might, and it does not say how he survived it. He is killed be Goku.
-*ahem*

-Turles is in move three: "The Tree of Might".

-I don't come here to nitpick, but sometimes some people get to me, so I decide to start nitpicking.

Brolli is the legendary super-sayian and Paragus is his father. When Vegeta blew up Brolli used his immense power to protect himself and his father. He latar came after Goku, because he was driven mad as a child be Goku's crying. I think Brolli is killed by a combo kamehameha (not sure from who) the first time and by trunks, goten and krillen when he is bio brolli.
-Vageta blew up? Oh, you mean the planet. He 'latar' came after Goku? And just for Goku's crying, he decided he had to die? Toriyama isn't right in the head.

[SSJ Pud]

yeah srry i made errors on Vegeta and Raditz. As fo the turles comment, i dont really know what u are trying to tell me :therock:
That there should have been a colon, then Apostrophes(sp?)? Lol that is major nitpicking.

[Darkened Skye]

I'm notmaly not very nitpicky.

Oh, look, I spelled normaly wrong. See? Even I make mistakes. Sometimes even I make mistakes. Sometimes even Dr. Stephen Hawking does.

Dr. Hawking: NO. NOT ME. NEVER.

[Kevin]

About your space response... When does a cartoon such as DBZ deal with real life events? I mean really, it is cool and all but it is a cartoon that doesnt have to bend to the physics of reality. So they can go whatever speed they want and get from point a to point b in whatever time they what. And also by your logic, goku wouldnt be able to instant transmit and the nether world wouldnt be able to exsist. K? Thnx.

[Marron347]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Darkened Skye [/i]
[B]I could have sworn they said only four Saiyins survive Planet Vegeta's destruction.
[/B][/QUOTE]

uh...just because raditz said only four saiyans survived doesn't mean its true. He probably didnt know.

[Transtic Nerve]

Initally, only 4 did survive. Vegita, Raditzu, Nappa, and Gokou. As far as the series goes, thats true. Remember the movies have nothing to do with the series. So Taurus, Brolli, and Paragus aren't really included in that theory.

[Darkened Skye]

Initally, only 4 did survive. Vegita, Raditzu, Nappa, and Gokou. As far as the series goes, thats true. Remember the movies have nothing to do with the series. So Taurus, Brolli, and Paragus aren't really included in that theory.
-Raditzu sounds better then just Raditz. Sorry, compleately off topic.

-Why would they make movies that don't connect to the series?

uh...just because raditz said only four saiyans survived doesn't mean its true. He probably didnt know.
-Yeah, but King Kai said it as well, and when two people in your show say it, one of whome can see across the far expanses of the universe, it's kind of like a common courtasy to abide by them.

About your space response... When does a cartoon such as DBZ deal with real life events? I mean really, it is cool and all but it is a cartoon that doesnt have to bend to the physics of reality. So they can go whatever speed they want and get from point a to point b in whatever time they what. And also by your logic, goku wouldnt be able to instant transmit and the nether world wouldnt be able to exsist. K? Thnx.
-I just want a more rational explenation. Okay, they can go from poitn A to point B, never mind the fact that it's thousands of light-years apart. In most sci fi things that I've seen, there's a point A and a half somewhere in there - Hyperspace for Babylon 5 and Star Wars, Warp Drive for Star Trek (plus the inclusion of massively powerful deflector feilds), Z Space for Animorphs, Subspace for Freespace and Freespace II: Colossus, Neatherspace for me. There should always be a point A and a half between points A and B. Otherwise they'll get lots of letters from the enlightened masses.

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Darkened Skye [/i]
[B]-Why would they make movies that don't connect to the series?
[/B][/QUOTE]

The movies are based on a totally different story line. Kinda like how Resident Evil didn't have anything to do with the games.... see? The movies and the series have no intertwining. What characters you see in the movies, you will most likely never see in the series, with the exception of Garlic Jr.

[Zenkai Powa]

I don't know why people call them changelings. Furiiza-Sama was only in his first 3 forms to conserve his power and so he would get out of hand.

[SSJ Pud]

Maybe there whole race is so powerful they have to have different forms to conserve energy.

[Darkened Skye]

I don't think the Icejin are more powerful [I]per se[/I] , they just have the ability to become more powerful faster then Saiyins. So that would explain why Freiza, King Cold, and Coola are all radicly more powerful then most people they ever meet.

I also don't think that Saiyins are toataly without equal in the universe, either. Icejin can get power faster, but they don't get more power simply by throwing a punch like Saiyins. There has to be some race out there that can counter that growth rate. For intents and purposes, whenever I mention them I call them the Kynen [KIEN-en].

Yeah. I'm writing a Dragonball fanfic with a few Kynens in it. One of them (named Skye, as I'm still play-testing the Skye character so she'll be in a lot of my stories) beats Vageta durring the World Martial Arts Tournement! I like that scean. She comes all shapeshifted to apear as a human, with a power level of seemingly twenty, then it shoots up to slightly above Vageta's when she shapeshifts to her true form. Takes place about five years after the Majin Buu arc.

Sorry, rambling and advertising my fanfic.

>>>EDIT:

Hey, wait a tic.

I read *sorta, I more looked at the pictures and asked my freind Takatoshi Yamagushi now and then for translations* a Japanese Dragonball Z magna. The magna started off right at the begining of the Cell arc, when Trunks shows up and defeates King Cold and Freiza. Then Goku shows up, and he and Trunks have a little sparring, and he's equal to Trunks, blocking his Trunk's sword with his finger. Did this happen in the show?

If it did, then I think the Coola movie might actualy tie in - becasue Trunks easaly beat King Cold and Freiza, even though King Cold was much more powerful then Freiza. If Goku could spar with Trunks and hold his own, that would mean that he had experiance fighting an opponent more powerful the Freiza - that would be Coola. He couldn't of held his own against Trunks without the experiance of fighting Coola. So does the Coola movie tie in? Or is there some other explenation?

[Zenkai Powa]

Movie 5 couldn't have happened. Son Gokuu trained on Yardat.